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PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

Don't take it personal, but this one of the dozen posts that is way too pesimistic.
Why don't we wait till we play the game?

Big chance we won't notice the things we notice now in clips (when we are playing it).
And if it really is something that spoils playing PES2018. Do you seriously think the development team will change the game?
The people who played it at E3 are hyper positive.i've listende to 3 very optimistic podcasts all by people who played the game and loved it. Those clips don't represent the game like you ex^perience it when playing with the controller in hand.

This thread is borderline (pun intended) manic depressed.

Sorry for this post.
 
i think every one you likes PES series will like allot the new game
smooth animations
headers no more OP
no catch up bug
more difficult defending,for me PES 2017 was noob friendly now you must be carefull because attacker can pass you easier,i think something like fifa but more automaticly
autoshilding looks very good and realistic
i think ball physics are much better
Bhatti says that in the new build they fixed shoot animations to be more realistic
online beta to check the internet(this years was awful)
i am very optimistic so they are thats why we see the world tour and gameplay videos
i only wish they announce more thinks for editing
i really want custom chants!!
sorry for my english guys!
 
gerd said:
Don't take it personal, but this one of the dozen posts that is way too pesimistic.
Why don't we wait till we play the game?

Big chance we won't notice the things we notice now in clips (when we are playing it).
And if it really is something that spoils playing PES2018. Do you seriously think the development team will change the game?
The people who played it at E3 are hyper positive.i've listende to 3 very optimistic podcasts all by people who played the game and loved it. Those clips don't represent the game like you ex^perience it when playing with the controller in hand.

This thread is borderline (pun intended) manic depressed.

Sorry for this post.
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Don't be sorry, it is fine.

I acknowledge my post was pessimistic. My intention was not to depress people but discuss aspects of the game based on what we can see (videos) and what we know (past/current experience with the games). This is a discussion thread right?
The video evidence has also been debated quite extensively and I am on the side of those that think you can have a very good idea of player positioning simply by looking at videos and particularly the radar on those videos.

I know that pointing out aspect of the game have very low chance to ever reach the development team but we can still discuss about it. There is a very low chance that some countries will become a democracy in the next 2-3 years but these do not prevent us from discussing human rights in those countries, if you allow me this far fetched metaphor.

Nevertheless, I really do hope you are right and once I will have the game in my ends (because there is 95% chance I will buy it anyway) it will not be apparent and the game will pure football joy. The positioning, the defensive awareness and others small details (small in appearance but may be not that small in coding point of view) are the things that, for me, prevented PES17 to be a master piece and I only wish PES18 will be that master piece.
 
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papinho81 said:
The positioning, the defensive awareness and others small details (small in appearance but may be not that small in coding point of view) are the things that, for me, prevented PES17 to be a master piece and I only wish PES18 will be that master piece.
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Couldn't agree more, great post. (I feel like all of the genuinely great work in terms of how natural dribbling looks to be, is the equivalent of taking a year to fit a spoiler onto a car with square wheels - it'll help, but I still won't be able to drive it for very long before giving up. But that's just my point of view!)
 
Although I will be positive and say that PES demos/E3 builds are usually really open-ended since PES 2016 demo. If you don't believe, try PES 2016 Demo or PES 2017 Demo or look at PES 2017 E3 gameplay. They always tweak it at the launch.
 
john264 said:
i think every one you likes PES series will like allot the new game
smooth animations
headers no more OP
no catch up bug
more difficult defending,for me PES 2017 was noob friendly now you must be carefull because attacker can pass you easier,i think something like fifa but more automaticly
autoshilding looks very good and realistic
i think ball physics are much better
Bhatti says that in the new build they fixed shoot animations to be more realistic
online beta to check the internet(this years was awful)
i am very optimistic so they are thats why we see the world tour and gameplay videos
i only wish they announce more thinks for editing
i really want custom chants!!
sorry for my english guys!
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Shooting still seems to lack variety and is nowhere near FIFA
 
The hype this game is getting is ridiculous and comical. People making gifs of standard GK saves like it was something from other planet or screaming of joy of some animations (which mostly already were in PES 2017 :D ), talking about a "whole new game (which is stupid, since its on the same engine and based on PES 2017)" and other bullshit. I know these guys have to praise the game, when Konami let them play it first, but it should have some class.
Its the same every year in FIFA and PES (but this year its even bigger) - whole new game, slower speed, more individuality, better controls, blablabla...

Its almost as ridiculous as praising PES5/6 all the time, that you had to build up the play, there was more individuality, that only some players could hard passes etc. No, no and no. Take a look at some videos, its totally the same end to end stuff like in any other football game, you could do awesome passes and shots even with bad players with bad body position etc...

Dont take me wrong, I felt in love with PES 2017, although it took some time and it has some flaws, and Im still playing it every day (and enjoying it), and PES 2018 is looking very, very promising, but it will be just a polished PES 2017 with some nice additions to details. Thats it. It definitely wont be a whole new or totally different game.
 
Veprikator said:
Its almost as ridiculous as praising PES5/6 all the time, that you had to build up the play, there was more individuality, that only some players could hard passes etc. No, no and no. Take a look at some videos, its totally the same end to end stuff like in any other football game, you could do awesome passes and shots even with bad players with bad body position etc...
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Of course you can do shots with anyone from the most awkward angles, but they're almost always way off-target.
 
papinho81 said:
Don't be sorry, it is fine.

I acknowledge my post was pessimistic. My intention was not to depress people but discuss aspects of the game based on what we can see (videos) and what we know (past/current experience with the games). This is a discussion thread right?
The video evidence has also been debated quite extensively and I am on the side of those that think you can have a very good idea of player positioning simply by looking at videos and particularly the radar on those videos.

I know that pointing out aspect of the game have very low chance to ever reach the development team but we can still discuss about it. There is a very low chance that some countries will become a democracy in the next 2-3 years but these do not prevent us from discussing human rights in those countries, if you allow me this far fetched metaphor.

Nevertheless, I really do hope you are right and once I will have the game in my ends (because there is 95% chance I will buy it anyway) it will not be apparent and the game will pure football joy. The positioning, the defensive awareness and others small details (small in appearance but may be not that small in coding point of view) are the things that, for me, prevented PES17 to be a master piece and I only wish PES18 will be that master piece.
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Well said, my friend.

Let me just add that papinho equally obsessed over the positioning in PES 2017. He has threads on Operation Sports that detailed this, and we have had multiple conversations on things to try.

You guys do realize that we're just viewing a 10 minute match? That's 5 minute halves. You're excusing the lack of positioning, as shown in the videos, for right now. However, what if you still do not have the resistance of real football, the midfield of real football, the positional tactics of real football, when that 10 minute match is now a 20 or 30 minute match?

That's why people like myself, Chris, Papinho, Lami, Mendy and whoever else, are concerned. We have no sense of security at this very moment. Burned before through PES 2017 and PES 2016. Why can't we be concerned? Noone represents us, because the game being shown doesn't give us any solid proof. All we get are "Play the game first". If we still have the issue, can we then talk about it? Or is that too depressing for the masses?

Sorry, the refereeing of every form of feedback posts is getting more depressing. It feels like facebook, where you need to have a PR firm for every comment you make. I've had to write and rewrite my posts so not to offend the overly sensitive. Come on, guys. It's football. Are we going to be crying about everything said if we're hanging out having a pint or three? Depends how smashed you get, I guess.
 
Not sure why people play with the default cursor, using player name makes it so much nicer.

Also loweing the camera gives more of a broadcast feeling. I like my camera low and close for full immersion.

Do we now officially how many stadia are in and if we can use all of them for master league?

The above video looked pretty good.
 
Even though we have all signed the petition for the fixing of the positioning issues. . . the powers that be seemed to have slammed that door shut. . .so what else can we do? Listening to the repetition of the same thing over and over and refreshing it with old Pes vid comparisons is monotonous . ..WE GET IT .. .. positioning is fucked. . .members of the site are not the people who should be addressed with this all the time. . it feels like flogging a dead horse . ...the targets should be Konami and Adam and co. I'm sure the majority of us here would sign anything to get it fixed. . . hopefully soon. . .trying to portray the rest of us as sensitive souls who don't like constructive criticism is nonsense. . . we are all passionate about the game and want the best for it.
 
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Theres more compactness on this video, midfield looks more "crowded" here.

But player movement feels very wrong, a bit unrespomsoveness and skating, I dont know.

Very different from the video of the game being played on rain conditions that I posted yesterday.

Physics must be like the game is played in the rain by default in my opinon.
 
Bond!JamesBond! said:
i think if he wouldn't have tried to long pass he could have controlled it.
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The player pressed to cross the ball too late, so a first touch was taken. The first touch meant the ball was too far away to quickly get a cross in before the ball went over the line. The player should either have gone for a first time cross or tried to take a touch to keep the ball in, rather than to carry on running the same way.
 
Ameppe said:
Because it's manual shooting.
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To be fair, manual shooting in PES 2017 still gave birth to ungodly-powerful rocket shots, even from completely shit players. One time, I was playing 2vsCPU and for shits and giggles, went Kiko Casilla up top. I scored some belters with manual shooting. 200 MPH top corner shots. From a keeper. Whether it will be the same in 2018 remains to be seen.
 
Yeah I also normally play manual shooting and 2017 had the rocket shots. With this being an early build I hope it's toned down for the final release to be a bit more like this Mane goal.
 
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Just watched the vid for a few minutes. The one foul that was called by the ref wasn't even a foul. And if it was he gave it to the wrong team. Based on the vids I've seen things seem generally, improved, less goalkeepers diving in slo motion with their arms not fully outstretched etc. Midfield looks tighter in some of these more recent vids as well, much less end to end.

Can't be playing a game with no fouls though, that's just mental.
 
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The only good thing about that video is Mane goal. The speed of the ball was spot on when it hits the net. What bothers me is that yes some players do have rocket shots but in real life the ball speeds down, the ball doesn't just keep spinning with the same speed. Also sometime the ball curls way too soon with no momentum. It's hard to explain, on PES it feels like it just hits and the ball just goes off, it doesn't feel right.
 
Video should be called "Superstar Difficulty in Exhibition Mode in an Unfinished Demo Version of the Game: Still Needs Work?"

In other news, I went to read a book today but both the cover and the first sentence were terrible, so I posted a review rubbishing the whole thing then took to a forum to also say it was rubbish numerous times. This, of course, was after I took to twitter to insult the authors PR and the publisher. I remain hopeful that they will take on board my in-depth feedback.
 
curdstar said:
Video should be called "Superstar Difficulty in Exhibition Mode in an Unfinished Demo Version of the Game: Still Needs Work?"

In other news, I went to read a book today but both the cover and the first sentence were terrible, so I posted a review rubbishing the whole thing then took to a forum to also say it was rubbish numerous times. This, of course, was after I took to twitter to insult the authors PR and the publisher. I remain hopeful that they will take on board my in-depth feedback.
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Was this book of yours made available months before release to promote it?
 
curdstar said:
Video should be called "Superstar Difficulty in Exhibition Mode in an Unfinished Demo Version of the Game: Still Needs Work?"

In other news, I went to read a book today but both the cover and the first sentence were terrible, so I posted a review rubbishing the whole thing then took to a forum to also say it was rubbish numerous times. This, of course, was after I took to twitter to insult the authors PR and the publisher. I remain hopeful that they will take on board my in-depth feedback.
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LOL!
 
fernadez said:
Was this book of yours made available months before release to promote it?
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Nah, but I heard they released a couple of random paragraphs in complete isolation though; every tenth letter removed too.
 
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Should probably say my recent posts aren't a dig at Matt's observations, but I am sure he would concede that if I was aware of his positioning observations in PES2017 (which I was) yet still thoroughly enjoy playing PES2017 then I am clearly enjoying the game for what it does offer. I expect to be doing the same thing from around September 12th onwards with PES2018. Everything I get exposure to until then will be single parts that make up a whole, including playing the beta and a demo.
 
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