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PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

Lami said:
Calm down man, I'm supposed to say that :D

Let's wait for the online beta/demo then give our final verdict.
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Sorry Lami, Im not even actually mad lol

Im just tired of waiting for so long for a FAIR Pes game that is at least remotely close to what we had in pes5/we9 on this regard.

They have done in the past
and they can easily do it today. I think our eyes can easily distinguish a clean tackle from a dirty one, or a foul when a player is being pushed down. Its not hard.

Actually I think I dont need to go way back in past and taking we9 as an examplo. I remember PES 2011 DEMO version was really good on this aspect, it forced you to defend properly with more caution and well timed tackles. But people started complaning and they went back to arcade fashion.

Things like these are what make me thing that sliders could really be a valid option. Its not something that I really wish, but it looks like we dont have much option.

I fear I could spend more time adjusting the game than actually playing it and enjoying it how it is. If they ever bring sliders, I hope it is nothing like in FIFA with 0-100 adjustments. Finding the right settings for my taste would get on my nerves and I would never enjoy the game as I should.
 
geeeeee said:
Cant they just stick an option at the start of the match. Ref A - Leniant, Ref B - Average, Ref C - Strict, or Random Ref. That will keep everyone happy ;)
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Geeeee, their argument is that too many fouls hold up the play too much and stops the flow. .. . .I blame all you young people . . .I want at least 6-7 fouls every match and the odd peno.
 
hitmanuk said:
It’s so difficult,” he explains. “In 2018, the AI is more physical, and teams who press high will also clip you now and again. We’re also working on the AI being imperfect in terms of tackling. That creates fouls here and there, but there has to be balance. This is not a 90-minute game; it’s a 10-minute match. Real-life foul numbers would make for a stop-start experience.” that is part of the games radar interview..plus side he's being honest the other side is lack of fouls is a decision to prevent stop start..never was an issue in older pes days if anything it added to the ML fun..if your free kick taker was injured it was an issue
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This doesnt make any sense.
The numbers of fouls you have per game doesnt compromise the time you have to score specially because the time stops just like it stops for every corner and throw-ins

The numbers of fouls you get per game should not be relative to time, it needs to be relative to how YOU and YOUR opponent play. Fouls are consequences of behaviour and play style.

If you want to press and go so agressively to steal the ball like its the last minute of a final world cup match, then you will obviously concede more fouls. Simple.

It needs to punish bad and unfair behavior on the pitch, poor and mindless defence style. But they wont do that because that would make a lot more people (casuals) upset.

It doesnt need to be ultra realistic. We all just need a fair game in wich players can be punished by his bad decisions and nonsense playstyle.
 
scholes1 said:
apologies if this is old. I don't think I've seen it. Game looks a lot less frantic and there's a great mis-hit volley!

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Looks like it's being played on -1 or -2, would be good to know because it looks really slow (in a good way)...! I've left a comment on the video.
 
scholes1 said:
apologies if this is old. I don't think I've seen it. Game looks a lot less frantic and there's a great mis-hit volley!

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I think that is my favourite video so far. No fancy flicks, overpowered shots or unrealistic scenarios but plenty of misplaced passes, mishits and poor attempts on goal - just like real football.
 
Lami said:
A very easy fix to have fouls again is to get rid of that terrible jump or hop or whatever players do to evade a knock. It was introduced in 2016 I believe. Players hardly ever do that irl. Infact, they all look for the slightest knock for fouls and pks.
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It's not what happens when a player avoids a tackle that worries me (if you avoid a tackle, fair enough). It's when contact is made and it absolutely doesn't matter to the referee, because it's coded to not be considered a foul unless it meets certain conditions.

I've pointed it out a few times now (for it to get buried by new posts), but referees now appear to be ignoring assault - the new physical "battling" moves.

Hip barges, shoulder barges etc. that send a player flying without being a direct challenge for the ball - it seems like they're coded to always be considered "part of the action" and never be a foul. Just in the same way that the referee doesn't consider anything the AI does as a foul (in 2017) without it being a (very rare) mistimed challenge. They can throw you to the ground, and it's fine, because it wasn't a slide.

With this in mind, I'm worried.

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Chris Davies said:
Loads of obvious fouls are being ignored by the referee. At 4:34, that's a definite foul (and a weird animation). 8:14 is assault! The ball isn't bloody involved, he just barges the Liverpool player out of the way!
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Lami said:
A very easy fix to have fouls again is to get rid of that terrible jump or hop or whatever players do to evade a knock. It was introduced in 2016 I believe. Players hardly ever do that irl. Infact, they all look for the slightest knock for fouls and pks.
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+1

I i hate this jump animation! :LOL:...Probably more fouls Would happen..
 
baggiebuckster said:
I think that is my favourite video so far. No fancy flicks, overpowered shots or unrealistic scenarios but plenty of misplaced passes, mishits and poor attempts on goal - just like real football.
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Nope. This one is new, and trust me, its A LOT better


Its inctedible the difference that rain makes. Heavier ball and players make movement more natural and the whole flow of the game more realistic.
 
DuduBR9 said:
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What the hell happened at 9:10?! Beautiful through-ball and then the intended recipient seems to be lassoed by an invisible cowboy! YEEHAA! :LOL:

Whoever had the controls has obviously pressed the wrong button at that moment - how mad would you be with yourself?! Such a waste!

Great video, though. The second much slower video I've seen today.
 
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Bond!JamesBond! said:
At 2:20 massive collision referee does nothing, shit foul system. I'm not bashing but it's 2018, no accurate foul system..... crazy stuff really....in FIFA that's a foul..
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yeah, this particular scene should have resulted in a free kick! if it does not happen all the time i'm good.

like that rain video above!
 
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hitmanuk said:
It’s so difficult,” he explains. “In 2018, the AI is more physical, and teams who press high will also clip you now and again. We’re also working on the AI being imperfect in terms of tackling. That creates fouls here and there, but there has to be balance. This is not a 90-minute game; it’s a 10-minute match. Real-life foul numbers would make for a stop-start experience.” that is part of the games radar interview..plus side he's being honest the other side is lack of fouls is a decision to prevent stop start..never was an issue in older pes days if anything it added to the ML fun..if your free kick taker was injured it was an issue
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So,you twisted his words. He says there has to be balance because real life foul numbers would make for start stop experience (perfectly reasonable thing to say) and they are still working on it, you write he said low foul number is by design.

Thanks for making me feel like an idiot asking him to answer about words he never said.
 
Bond!JamesBond! said:
At 2:20 massive collision referee does nothing, shit foul system. I'm not bashing but it's 2018, no accurate foul system..... crazy stuff really....in FIFA that's a foul..
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Shit foul system because in 1 action in an entire match there isn't a foul in a E3 Code when they said they are working on fouls.

Again, I see too much criticism due to we being burned for years.
 
Deco said:
Geeeee, their argument is that too many fouls hold up the play too much and stops the flow. .. . .I blame all you young people . . .I want at least 6-7 fouls every match and the odd peno.
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too many fouls hold up the play too much?
I really don't know how to respond to such nonsense. Even EA doesn't think so stupidly.
Let's take out timeouts in all sports too because it holds up the play too much......:BRICK:

Baseball games : let's remove foul balls too......:COAT:
 
Well, I do remember that when PES5/WE9 came out people complained about it having too much fouls. It was like that because they toned down the speed, which was cool, but you add that to an 8 direction movement and the fact that players got stucked in when waiting for a pass and you got lots and lots of contact. With the freedom of latest PES that physicality is harder to achieve. I guess that if they added more error in technical actions, i.e. first touch error, passing error, etc, they could achieve it because that would mean more loose balls and physical battle. In the other hand, if they go too much this way, it could end up not really representing football, or football of our time, and game would be a mess.

What I would like to see is really more mistakes in positioning while attacking. If players don't get to near perfect positions to receive balls or create passing lanes is easier and more realistic that AI/user fails passes, gets into trouble looking for a receiver of the ball, etc. I mean, the goal of a playing AI is not to be perfect but to be real, and in real football mistakes in positioning, both attacking and defending, happen even for the very top teams.
 
Chris Davies said:
What the hell happened at 9:10?! Beautiful through-ball and then the intended recipient seems to be lassoed by an invisible cowboy! YEEHAA! :LOL:

Whoever had the controls has obviously pressed the wrong button at that moment - how mad would you be with yourself?! Such a waste!

Great video, though. The second much slower video I've seen today.
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That 9.10 looked a bit "ropey".
 
I'd be interested to know if the dive button actually works when being fouled because Chris is right, those non-fouls look very odd. Would be a very effective way of countering referee passivity.
 
RAMAXWY said:
the sales don't reflect it though and that is our biggest problem. that's why they are changing the priorities.
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Right, the sales won't reflect. It's quantity over quality, that's mass sales. The forum goers are like less than 1% of the consumers for EA, and maybe less than 5% for PES.
 
DuduBR9 said:
This doesnt make any sense.
The numbers of fouls you have per game doesnt compromise the time you have to score specially because the time stops just like it stops for every corner and throw-ins

The numbers of fouls you get per game should not be relative to time, it needs to be relative to how YOU and YOUR opponent play. Fouls are consequences of behaviour and play style.

If you want to press and go so agressively to steal the ball like its the last minute of a final world cup match, then you will obviously concede more fouls. Simple.

It needs to punish bad and unfair behavior on the pitch, poor and mindless defence style. But they wont do that because that would make a lot more people (casuals) upset.

It doesnt need to be ultra realistic. We all just need a fair game in wich players can be punished by his bad decisions and nonsense playstyle.
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great post. I was going to say this, thanks for saving me some typing.
i'd like to add, adjusting the foul rates to make a 10min game player feel more flow just screws the 30min game player.....

It's real simple, if it's a foul it's a foul!
 
On twitter right now all they are talking about are faces and shit. Seriously is that all they can offer right now :BORED:. We want to hear more about editing, modes, and atmosphere. Shit that matters.
 
I don't know what to say about this video, because all i see is passing the ball about with ease, which leads to no coming together which leads to no fouls. The foundation of football is gone.
at 7:10 finally a collision occurs and unfortunately overlooked by the guy in a green shirt and black shorts who is just getting in the way of the flow...

ianni said:
Shit foul system because in 1 action in an entire match there isn't a foul in a E3 Code when they said they are working on fouls.

Again, I see too much criticism due to we being burned for years.
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there's many more, others have posted. Not criticism if it's broken code. Or broken by design, which is worse.

geeeeee said:
Cant they just stick an option at the start of the match. Ref A - Leniant, Ref B - Average, Ref C - Strict, or Random Ref. That will keep everyone happy ;)
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yeah, or they could just make a foul system that works. A foul is a foul doesn't matter what difficulty level you play. It can't be so random like it is. FIFA's foul system works.... so why doesn't PES? it did 10 years ago.
 
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Lami said:
Didn't Adam or Asim literally say that last year or the year before? Something about fouls hinder the flow of the game.
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Such bullshit! How they going to showcase the new free kick system. Having said all this I have a healthy compilation of free kicks from PES 2017 penalties though were very rare.
 
scholes1 said:
Here's the therad:

https://twitter.com/Adam_Bhatti/status/879774236684038145

I expect they did say that last year, when they couldn't fix and needed to spin it into a positive, being marketing people and all.

"fuck you Konami" is fairly pathetic tbh.
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Wow, my goodness, just tried viewing that tweet and I can't because Bhatti has blocked me. I literally have no idea why that would be so I've gone back over my polite and friendly feedback from last year and he's blocked me for offering an opinion. Unbelievable Jeff.

That seals the deal for me. If the PR guy can't handle some honest and respectful feedback then, quite frankly, PES is dead to me. I hated 2017 anyway so it's no great loss. Such a shame that I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours on ISS 98 through to PES 6, then on to 2017, but it's now come to this. I guess the past belongs in the past.
 
bluewomble88 said:
Wow, my goodness, just tried viewing that tweet and I can't because Bhatti has blocked me. I literally have no idea why that would be so I've gone back over my polite and friendly feedback from last year and he's blocked me for offering an opinion. Unbelievable Jeff.

That seals the deal for me. If the PR guy can't handle some honest and respectful feedback then, quite frankly, PES is dead to me. I hated 2017 anyway so it's no great loss. Such a shame that I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours on ISS 98 through to PES 6, then on to 2017, but it's now come to this. I guess the past belongs in the past.
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I agree he can be a dick on Twitter but he's not the or guy and to give up on a game because of how one person spoke to you is odd.

Why's it a shame you spent hours on something you liked? What's it come to? I just don't get posts like this.
 
Northzzz said:
I'd be interested to know if the dive button actually works when being fouled because Chris is right, those non-fouls look very odd. Would be a very effective way of countering referee passivity.
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they don't need a dive button , which is useless anyway, just fix the advantage rule and fouls will double at least..the amount of advantages I saw come and go just because one of my players touched the ball during an advantage was silly..i tweeted Adam and said in fifa you have a choice if I want the free kick I simply don't do anything ..it doesn't matter if one of my players touch it the play will be brought back if there is no obvious advantage
 
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