PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

[Jimmy G-Force]

Sorry Jimmy i’m talking stats not cards.
I totally agree that the cards make a difference just the stats not as much

The cards are directly related to the stats, you can’t have a Pin-Point Passer with poor passing stats, that’s the same across every board.

 

[rockstrongo]

(Laughs)

He can when I’ve got a controller up his arse !!

Ha ha,you're keeping them boys on a short rope.
Management by fear,like it!

 

[Ameppe]

one on Twitter yesterday or Thursday just look for hashtag pes2018

One is far far less than normality. You talk like it's easy to score with keepers, it's not.

 

[geeeeee]

The cards are directly related to the stats, you can’t have a Pin-Point Passer with poor passing stats, that’s the same across every board.

I thought that in editing you are able to give a player the Pin-Point Passer card regardless of his passing stats. I will have to check maybe they changed it from last year.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

You're right Jimmy I bought Peneranda for my Brescia Ml team recently and he's different class to the rest of the players on the team.

I bought this DMF, I will post his name later as can’t spell it. I needed a cheaper Kante style player, to boss the midfield and break things up, I tried a few with the Destroyer Card = high Ball Winning stats, and the boy is a fucking beast, he wins everything, he’s an absolute rock for me.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I thought that in editing you are able to give a player the Pin-Point Passer card regardless of his passing stats. I will have to check maybe they changed it from last year.

But that’s you editing something, it’s not the natural, and how effective that is I wouldn’t be too sure.

But just by pure logic, they have to go hand in hand. You never see the old Speed Merchant with 54 for acceleration or speed.

 

[rockstrongo]

I bought this DMF, I will post his name later as can’t spell it. I needed a cheaper Kante style player, to boss the midfield and break things up, I tried a few with the Destroyer Card = high Ball Winning stats, and the boy is a fucking beast, he wins everything, he’s an absolute rock for me.

I used N De Jong in my Milan ML for 15-16-17, complete monster,and with the destroyer card

 

[geeeeee]

But that’s you editing something, it’s not the natural, and how effective that is I wouldn’t be too sure.

But just by pure logic, they have to go hand in hand. You never see the old Speed Merchant with 54 for acceleration or speed.

Yep you are right but i’m pretty sure that if i have 2 players with no cards one a striker with high shot accuracy and the other a defender with low shot accuracy they would still feel pretty much the same when shooting.

I used to edit PES5 for years and now edit PES2008 PS2 and i can feel the difference completely regarding stats.

I tried to edit the stats in PES2017 last year but when i realised they didnt make much difference i gave up.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I used N De Jong in my Milan ML for 15-16-17, complete monster,and with the destroyer card

My point exactly.

The other huge side of the upgraded individuality is what players do off the ball or when your not controlling them, their own individual traits.

And check the likes of Ronaldo, and Saurez and tell me they don’t play, look, and even move not only like IRL, but the same as every other player. Now think back to PES 6.

 

[majuh]

I play with Middlesbrough in my ML, and playing with that team and say Manchester Utd is like absolutely night and day.

I can’t even believe I’m having to justify this.

I know, go play online with the worst team on the game against the Barca and Madrid whores and come back and tell me there is no difference.

Like it has been said before, there are only relative differences, no absolute ones. It doesn't matter whether you play an AFC Champions League match or a UEFA Champions League match, gameplay is more or less the same.

The only players that stand out are those with special Player ID treatment, so it's not even related to their stats.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Yep you are right but i’m pretty sure that if i have 2 players with no cards one a striker with high shot accuracy and the other a defender with low shot accuracy they would still feel pretty much the same when shooting.

I used to edit PES5 for years and now edit PES2008 PS2 and i can feel the difference completely regarding stats.

I tried to edit the stats in PES2017 last year but when i realised they didnt make much difference i gave up.

I tell you what bud, next match you play put your two worst defenders up front and your best strikers at centre half.

The strikers will have no reading of the game and get caught cold and your defenders won’t barely hit shit, consistently.

This is professional football, so of course every player on the pitch has technique and can all strike a ball or pass, but each has their own particular skill-set.

When I played semi-pro for Durham City, our keeper, Mussy, Paul Musslethwaite, ex Sunderland reserves, could dribble, pass, shoot, the lot. And that’s semi-pro.

 

[geeeeee]

Like it has been said before, there are only relative differences, no absolute ones. It doesn't matter whether you play an AFC Champions League match or a UEFA Champions League match, gameplay is more or less the same.

The only players that stand out are those with special Player ID treatment, so it's not even related to their stats.

Yep back in the day my brother bought a player in his ML. He was awsome but no player ID just good stats, his name was Nasri. He bought him before Wenger did.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Like it has been said before, there are only relative differences, no absolute ones. It doesn't matter whether you play an AFC Champions League match or a UEFA Champions League match, gameplay is more or less the same.

The only players that stand out are those with special Player ID treatment, so it's not even related to their stats.

That is my only gripe so far in ML in the Championship, sometimes my opposition feel samey in their approach. Maybe it’s the edit file, but in years gone by there was definite obvious variation in the play style.

 

[geeeeee]

I tell you what bud, next match you play put your two worst defenders up front and your best strikers at centre half.

The strikers will have no reading of the game and get caught cold and your defenders won’t barely hit consistently.

This is professional football, so of course every player on the pitch has technique and can all strike a ball or pass, but each has their own particular skill-set.

When I played semi-pro for Durham City, our keeper, Mussy, Paul Musslethwaite, ex Sunderland reserves, could dribble, pass, shoot, the lot. And that’s semi-pro.

When i get a chance to play it i will try it. I tried it in last years game and i felt hardly any difference. Will give it a crack one day when i get a chance. I may wait until the latest patch but with editing 2008 and FIFA time is short

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Yep back in the day my brother bought a player in his ML. He was awsome but no player ID just good stats, his name was Nasri. He bought him before Wenger did.

That’s another thing that always makes me smile with PES, buying a player you’re unaware of, only for them to become very apparent years later.

I remember Eden Hazard at Lille years ago feeling like the next big thing on PES, and now look at him. The same happened in my ML for Boro a few years back, I bought a French striker that got me into the EPL single-handedly, 50 goals in a season. I got promoted then an EPL club came in with a huge offer for him that I rejected, the club was Arsenal, the player was Giroud.

 

[geeeeee]

That’s another thing that always makes me smile with PES, buying a player you’re unaware of, only for them to become very apparent years later.

I remember Eden Hazard at Lille years ago feeling like the next big thing on PES, and now look at him. The same happened in my ML for Boro a few years back, I bought a French striker that got me into the EPL single-handedly, 50 goals in a season. I got promoted then an EPL club came in with a huge offer for him that I rejected, the club was Arsenal, the player was Giroud.

Yes it is great when that happens

Being honest with you Jimmy I haven’t played this version that much. So my posts were really aimed at last years one and being based on what others (whose opinions I have agreed with in the past) have said about this one. I haven’t played it much because of the amount of back heels and the lack of free kicks combined with me getting into PES2008 and FIFA. So that leaves little time with it.

I really hope the new patch will address the back heels and the free kick issue then I will give it another go and experiment with what you said about playing players out of position. I hope I didn’t come across too negative about it. I just have to let off a bit of steam every now and again, especially with Spurs losing today

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I’m very passionate about PES, but I’m also very honest. I truly believe this years version has had a ramp up in difficulty with regards the levels. I play the same every year - Zero Pass Assist on Professional.

That has always been my preferred choice and most realistic. Professional this year feels like Top Player, massively noticeable. Where as Regular, which I’ve never played in my life felt more balanced and like the Professional level I’ve always enjoyed.

If I play with Pass Assist on, I can beat the likes of Top Player and above, but it just doesn’t feel free or challenging. Too easy to create chances, then you get the obvious stuff that happens on the higher levels. Which never feels ‘realistic’ to me.

PES has always been about finding what medium works best for you, all the options or there to choose your own personal way of playing and gaining the maximum enjoyment. If you don’t like it, tweak it, change it up. Simple.

 

[Ameppe]

It's simply unbalanced in many ways. It's like they stopped developing the game at one point because they had to release it and decided to (hopefully) complete it with the patch.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I’m playing 2-Player ML with my son, we just drew 3-3 with Birmingham (1st) after beating Hull 4-1. Totally different game to be fair.

 

[rojofa]

I can understand zero pass assist, you have a reason to want the freedom to play the ball into space... Manual shooting is what I find strange.

It allows less variation than advanced (no low full power shots or lofted low power shots) and the only added freedom is to let you instruct your player to not even aim at the target which is just pointless and unrealistic. If you really want to take a manual shot for some reason you can hold L2 anyway...

 

[Marlon Anthony]

That’s another thing that always makes me smile with PES, buying a player you’re unaware of, only for them to become very apparent years later.

I remember Eden Hazard at Lille years ago feeling like the next big thing on PES, and now look at him. The same happened in my ML for Boro a few years back, I bought a French striker that got me into the EPL single-handedly, 50 goals in a season. I got promoted then an EPL club came in with a huge offer for him that I rejected, the club was Arsenal, the player was Giroud.

I love that charm of ML, Feeling like you signed the next big things & those players becoming very influential in your campaign. On PES 13 I signed both Giroud & Dzsudzak Liverpool before they were stars & back on PES 4 I'd buy Claudio Lopez & Lozano. Lopez was a goal machine on that game & they made him about 10 years younger than what he was at the time too.

 

[zeemeister]

I get the back heels are frequent but the way it's positioned here it's as if it is a game breaker. It's over used for sure but not enough to deter from a great game imo.

I am sorry but the whole stats don't matter thing is something the fifa clan is trying hard to push this year and it's complete and utter bullshit. If play pes and you don't see how hard it is to play the same style with weaker teams then you are either playing on a low difficulty or using heavy assistance

Stick Andre Gomez on the pitch instead of iniesta or Paco Alcacer instead of suarez and tell me there is no difference... it's ludicrous

 

[Deco]

I get the back heels are frequent but the way it's positioned here it's as if it is a game breaker. It's over used for sure but not enough to deter from a great game imo.

I am sorry but the whole stats don't matter thing is something the fifa clan is trying hard to push this year and it's complete and utter bullshit. If play pes and you don't see how hard it is to play the same style with weaker teams then you are either playing on a low difficulty or using heavy assistance

Stick Andre Gomez on the pitch instead of iniesta or Paco Alcacer instead of suarez and tell me there is no difference... it's ludicrous

I agree with you about the back heels Zee .. I don't see how this is preventing some people playing .. not so long ago it was the chipped pass to the wing .. tbh I perform more backheels than the AI so I can't complain.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

The problem I have with my Boro team in the Championship is my defence, they were shite bar Sven Bender and my most recent transfer, a 77 rated RB from Argentina who reads the game so much better than Christie. Fabio is a class above this division and he stands out massively.

The top teams defenders read the game so well, they are always there, right place, right time, so much different with the Boro team I have who have an average OVR of maybe 72-74.

When I bring in an 80 OVR, he’s a god amongst men.

The one thing I will say though, I remember PES 10 and the horrific first touches by some defenders, who also turned with the speed of an oil tanker. Yes that made the rest stand out massively individuality wise, which I loved, but it wasn’t as pretty animation wise.

PES has to try and get to the FIFA level in that regard and you can see that’s their drive, but I don’t feel that whole first touch disparity in more next gen versions as I did back then.

Whether that’s down to the fluidity of he animations or not, it’s not as pronounced

But, it’s a double edge sword, every Pro Footballer should have a decent first touch, maybe not Bergkamp-esque, but still not Sunday league level either.

 

[zeemeister]

The problem I have with my Boro team in the Championship is my defence, they were shite bar Sven Bender and my most recent transfer, a 77 rated RB from Argentina who reads the game so much better than Christie. Fabio is a class above this division and he stands out massively.

The top teams defenders read the game so well, they are always there, right place, right time, so much different with the Boro team I have who have an average OVR of maybe 72-74.

When I bring in an 80 OVR, he’s a god amongst men.

The one thing I will say though, I remember PES 10 and the horrific first touches by some defenders, who also turned with the speed of an oil tanker. Yes that made the rest stand out massively individuality wise, which I loved, but it wasn’t as pretty animation wise.

PES has to try and get to the FIFA level in that regard and you can see that’s their drive, but I don’t feel that whole first touch disparity in more next gen versions as I did back then.

Whether that’s down to the fluidity of he animations or not, it’s not as pronounced

But, it’s a double edge sword, every Pro Footballer should have a decent first touch, maybe not Bergkamp-esque, but still not Sunday league level either.

This also comes into play with shooting on volleys or half volleys or moving balls. Any footballer playing the top leagues in any country can smack em regardless of position. I played football myself and have seen amazing shots from fellow players and opponents. This idea of CBs not being able to shoot is a myth. Hell goalkeepers pump balls over the halfway line onto a players head time and again.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

This also comes into play with shooting on volleys or half volleys or moving balls. Any footballer playing the top leagues in any country can smack em regardless of position. I played football myself and have seen amazing shots from fellow players and opponents. This idea of CBs not being able to shoot is a myth. Hell goalkeepers pump balls over the halfway line onto a players head time and again.

David Luiz ? Carlos Alberto, Cafu, Koeman, Ramos, Alves, Carlos.....

 

[geeeeee]

I am sorry but the whole stats don't matter thing is something the fifa clan is trying hard to push this year and it's complete...

The Classic PS2 PES clan maybe but certainly not the FIFA clan, although i must admit i do quite like the new one.

 

[kilay]

i think there are difference for sure also about stats, here some highlights about a match PSV-Ado Den Hag (coach vs CPU). Exhibition Superstar 10 mins (that is like play on Top Player in ML/BAL/tournaments IMO)
Both the teams have two different tactics but also a great difference about the average OVR of the players.
Check also the statistic of the match.
You can found any kind of things (not fouls/penalties ) in this match and seems realistic (on 13 -15 mins may be better). The difference about the two teams to me seems obvious.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

i think there are difference for sure also about stats, here some highlights about a match PSV-Ado Den Hag (coach vs CPU). Exhibition Superstar 10 mins (that is like play on Top Player in ML/BAL/tournaments IMO)
Both the teams have two different tactics but also a great difference about the average OVR of the players.
Check also the statistic of the match.
You can found any kind of things (not fouls/penalties ) in this match and seems realistic (on 13 -15 mins may be better). The difference about the two teams to me seems obvious.

It’s all about balance of gameplay, when replicating football in its truest form.

As and example a 5 min match will be hectic, very over elaborated compared to a 15 minute match, or better still a 20 minute match.

5 minute games (half’s) have to produce 90 minutes of football over a very short time, so everything Is 100mph crammed with incidents over a very short timescale. I’ve seen 5 min games produce scores of 5-5. Crazy.

The seen 15-20 minute games produce 1-1’s, nil -nils etc etc. Much more realistic, no rush to score, which encourages you to play proper football as you have the time, it’s not some end to end crash-bang-Whallop.

Try it, match times effect the gameplay 100%.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I tried an overhead bycycle kick last night but got the timing all wrong and forgot to hold R2 (My special control button. It ended up in row Z

Then later I had another opportunity arise, this time I got everything right. Body posture, power, direction and also held R2 and shoot.

Amazing goal, fully intended and also my first ever goal scored with this animation on any PES.

That’s why I love this, my son went crazy when it hit the back of the net.