PES 2017 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

.. obviously I don't wanna turn this into a PES vs FIFA (in all honestly who cares, as I think they both have so much too offer this year, and yeah there's a thread for that), but it was after playing the FIFA17 demo last night that really highlighted to me how special PES was this year. I had a great hour playing the fifa17 demo last night and it was particularly the smooth running animations, ball physics (particulary the way the ball rolls on the ground.. and keeps rolling) and first time passing errors that really amazed me. Overall, It was the complexity of the FIFA17 game (control-wise and variations-of-animations-wise) that really stood out, ie. the sheer amount of things you can actually do and see.

I switched to PES2017, (which I then managed to play for about 3 hours straight), and what immediately stands out is how "tight" it feels after playing Fifa. By tight, i mean players and ball have a real weighty solid feeling about them, together with a fantastically simple and responsive control scheme. In a word, its the "simplicity" that makes this game so good, and in two (or more), it's first time a PES game has made me feel so satisfyingly "in control" of my actions on the park, and by that I am only referring to simply controlling the players (not even thinking about tactics yet). Fantastically simple and responsive, yet incredibly deep is how id describe pes2017. I literally spent an hour or more in skills training/free training mode, as it felt so good. Simply pinging the ball around.. practicing my manual passing and more importantly manual shooting (with L2 ofcourse).

When it comes to the actual gameplay (not just control scheme), Pes2017 has truly blown me away with what Konami have done from last year to now. The AI is back, and so are the variations, and for the first time in a very long time, there's the absence of game breakers that have previously outshone the positives in the past (Yes the grass needs to be greener :)) Like a lot of you guys, im at the point where I cannot stop thinking about this game. I mean, ive been watching many football games on tv over the last week, and all reminds me of pes2017. Now the fun part begins, getting into the tactics and ML. I seriously cannot wait for the OF's that begin tinkering with team tactics - to add even more team individuality to this great game.
 
Woodzy said:
Exactly the same for me.

Played half a Master League season this weekend and it wasn't for the serious demand to stop from the Mrs it would have been a lot more.

I didn't have one game that felt the same. I had a particularly good game against Liverpool, where they pressed like crazy and I couldn't handle them. After that I switched to tight marking on Coutinho and set Sané as a 'Counter' target, and Sané got in behind to score minutes later. Eventually I just couldn't cope and they won the game 2 - 1 anyway.

There are just so many levels of depth with the tactics, that I think I might actually have to get into if I want to consistently do well in Master League.

Two things they need to do next year is really overhaul the Master League, and fix online play. I know it's difficult for them but they really should be trying to bring Master League up to the same level as Fifa's career mode (which in itself needs its own overhaul). I will say that on initial inspection, transfers are much improved this year though. Had to pay £50m for Aaron Ramsey, which was nearly all my budget. No longer can I overhaul the team with stars in one window.
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In regards to your Ramsey deal... you may think you have to have paid that much but... and here comes the bit that kills the immersion to me... if you set your scouts to look in the prem for a cm chances are he will pop up during a scout found special player report and you will get him for a fraction.

I was looking at one of the fakes called J. DE PAULA iirc and his club wanted 60million plus.... so i set my scout to find alternative AMF in south america and my scout pulled him up and i got him for 10 million with my 77 rated winger valued at 10 million.

Im happy i got him but initially i was a bit meh about it.
 
aussiepesfan said:
.. obviously I don't wanna turn this into a PES vs FIFA (in all honestly who cares, as I think they both have so much too offer this year, and yeah there's a thread for that), but it was after playing the FIFA17 demo last night that really highlighted to me how special PES was this year. I had a great hour playing the fifa17 demo last night and it was particularly the smooth running animations, ball physics (particulary the way the ball rolls on the ground.. and keeps rolling) and first time passing errors that really amazed me. Overall, It was the complexity of the FIFA17 game (control-wise and variations-of-animations-wise) that really stood out, ie. the sheer amount of things you can actually do and see.

I switched to PES2017, (which I then managed to play for about 3 hours straight), and what immediately stands out is how "tight" it feels after playing Fifa. By tight, i mean players and ball have a real weighty solid feeling about them, together with a fantastically simple and responsive control scheme. In a word, its the "simplicity" that makes this game so good, and in two (or more), it's first time a PES game has made me feel so satisfyingly "in control" of my actions on the park, and by that I am only referring to simply controlling the players (not even thinking about tactics yet). Fantastically simple and responsive, yet incredibly deep is how id describe pes2017. I literally spent an hour or more in skills training/free training mode, as it felt so good. Simply pinging the ball around.. practicing my manual passing and more importantly manual shooting (with L2 ofcourse).

When it comes to the actual gameplay (not just control scheme), Pes2017 has truly blown me away with what Konami have done from last year to now. The AI is back, and so are the variations, and for the first time in a very long time, there's the absence of game breakers that have previously outshone the positives in the past (Yes the grass needs to be greener :)) Like a lot of you guys, im at the point where I cannot stop thinking about this game. I mean, ive been watching many football games on tv over the last week, and all reminds me of pes2017. Now the fun part begins, getting into the tactics and ML. I seriously cannot wait for the OF's that begin tinkering with team tactics - to add even more team individuality to this great game.
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I knew you wouldn't let the PES army down aussie. .. .great to see positive comments on the site .
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
try combining liverpool with the players playing style cards to enhance your playing style, this game is on a league on its own
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haven't even thought about the playing style card.. do you simple edit these for your own team (as well as the team you are playing against)??? In edit mode right???
 
You can edit what ever u like but u won't get the realistic real life stats if you change the players cards, would be like editing all your players to 99. Also when u start ML, will make you think more what players you really do need in the transfer window, instead of just getting any superstar, now u have a deep tactical reason to buy a player to suit your style.
 
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Anybody found an authentic camera angle for the Nou Camp? I love watching Barça play and part of that is the wonderful camera angles they have at that ground. I've played around briefly with the camera settings but I can't seem to replicate it - any thoughts?

Also, what's the consensus on creating tactics? I'm unsure whether to focus on player styles etc to create tactics or to use the In-Posession and Out-Possession system.
 
god84 said:
In regards to your Ramsey deal... you may think you have to have paid that much but... and here comes the bit that kills the immersion to me... if you set your scouts to look in the prem for a cm chances are he will pop up during a scout found special player report and you will get him for a fraction.

I was looking at one of the fakes called J. DE PAULA iirc and his club wanted 60million plus.... so i set my scout to find alternative AMF in south america and my scout pulled him up and i got him for 10 million with my 77 rated winger valued at 10 million.

Im happy i got him but initially i was a bit meh about it.
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Ah, that's infuriating. There's just so much work it needs. I guess the way around it for me would to be just scout for younger players (is it even possible?) since I know most of the big stars anyway.

I guess Master League just needs to be approached with more of an arcade mindset. We are never going to get realism with the current format, so it needs more of a 'fuck it' approach. I thought I did well in my Man City save to avoid buying anyone in the first window, but then I saw that all the other clubs had snapped up all the vacant Bayern players and I just thought there was no point taking it as anything other than it is.

..and i'm having a blast either way, and like I said, only being able to sign the one player with my budget was refreshing. Last year I could probably sign about three or four top players, putting myself into debt and being confident enough to make it back by the time the season ends.

I'll be starting a proper Master League with a lesser team and maybe even default players when I have a finished option file, as this will always be how it's meant to be played and where the challenge lies.
 
Hopefully online will improve (although I have had good matches it's not quite where PES 2016 was yet) after the first maintenance which is this week I guess.
 
Im getting the same feeling in my matches on superstar vs AI i have seen some superb play by them at times
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Anyone found a solution for edited team stadia not appearing in cup modes and ML?
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Not yet so far i have tweeted asim adam and officialpes a few times if my tweets are being ignored on purpose then i think it was a feature taken out to free up memory (I know thats not a valid or good reason just wouldn't suprise me)
 
Woodzy said:
Ah, that's infuriating. There's just so much work it needs. I guess the way around it for me would to be just scout for younger players (is it even possible?) since I know most of the big stars anyway.

I guess Master League just needs to be approached with more of an arcade mindset. We are never going to get realism with the current format, so it needs more of a 'fuck it' approach. I thought I did well in my Man City save to avoid buying anyone in the first window, but then I saw that all the other clubs had snapped up all the vacant Bayern players and I just thought there was no point taking it as anything other than it is.

..and i'm having a blast either way, and like I said, only being able to sign the one player with my budget was refreshing. Last year I could probably sign about three or four top players, putting myself into debt and being confident enough to make it back by the time the season ends.

I'll be starting a proper Master League with a lesser team and maybe even default players when I have a finished option file, as this will always be how it's meant to be played and where the challenge lies.
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It's the only way to play Master League .. with the default players and a lower team .. . .never understood people picking a top team with tons of money and want to win everything in 5 mins . ..where's the challenge? As soon as I get OF sorted I'm kicking off ML.
 
How can anyone play in anything other than Superstar difficulty? It's far too easy otherwise.

I loved the old PES games where 5 stars would be really difficult and then we could unlock 6 stars.

PES these days feels like it lets you play and score screamers as much as you want.

I still prefer the pace of this to FIFA though, Konami have nailed it this year.
 
Final Pass said:
How can anyone play in anything other than Superstar difficulty? It's far too easy otherwise.

I loved the old PES games where 5 stars would be really difficult and then we could unlock 6 stars.

PES these days feels like it lets you play and score screamers as much as you want.

I still prefer the pace of this to FIFA though, Konami have nailed it this year.
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Maybe your just good at it?!

Im using manual on top player and find that challenging. Concede a few scripted goals... ive called a few but large in part this has been the best pes game for years!!!!
 
Final Pass said:
How can anyone play in anything other than Superstar difficulty? It's far too easy otherwise.

I loved the old PES games where 5 stars would be really difficult and then we could unlock 6 stars.

PES these days feels like it lets you play and score screamers as much as you want.

I still prefer the pace of this to FIFA though, Konami have nailed it this year.
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Score screamers as much as u want? I have problem with that. And most great goals from long range i see here are volleys. Does everybody score long range goals a lot?
 
Also I love how when you have a player with the role that boosts team chemistry when he is captain makes you want to play him even on a down arrow just to get that chemistry boost.

I normally go for whos in form but this guy will always play because of that role and i love it.

Makes you feel like your star player is exactly that.
 
No they have made them where they should be.

Im a Liverpool fan and im quite happy with stats on the whole. Mingolet is pants irl and ingame.

Coutinho and Firmino both feel good... Lallana could he a tad quicker butnot running just with his control i suppose this is what happens when you take out dribble speed.

Can only needed a few tweaks, but on the whole LFC felt good.
 
Mingolet flapped for one of the genoa goals I conceded went to punch it and was beaten in the air..you can certainly feel manes pace ..and the own goal I conceded lucas rubbed his head like he does in real life..made me chuckle
 
pellandi said:
Score screamers as much as u want? I have problem with that. And most great goals from long range i see here are volleys. Does everybody score long range goals a lot?
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I think you have to take the video clips with a pinch of salt as such, because people will only show those screamers and rarely the 'other' types of goals they score. For example, I think ive hit 1 in at least 50 games top player manual... so theres a sample size and im sure others are in a similar boat.

Yes you get the chance to crack volleys when the ball drops right, but its not automatic by any means. Ive seen them fly wide, high, straight at the keeper, into the crowded box, deflected for a corner etc etc

Of course you will score good goals and you feel its highlighted more because its in your games, but if you take into account all the goals you score (conceed) the screamers come in at a low %.. for me anyhow.
 
P34SEMM said:
I'm amazed that considering they have a partnership they've made the LFC player stats so shit.
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hitmanuk said:
Mingolet flapped for one of the genoa goals I conceded went to punch it and was beaten in the air..you can certainly feel manes pace ..and the own goal I conceded lucas rubbed his head like he does in real life..made me chuckle
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Typical!! See spot on!! Gotta be honest though.. i do love Lucas. Think hes a good player. Scapegoat of the club really
 
TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal! said:
To the guys currently loving the game (I am enjoying reading your views btw), How is Online?
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I'm having a real mixed bag with it. I've played a few games that have been absolutely brilliant, slight button-lag but not too much, hard-fought tactical 0-0s and 1-0s. In-between those, I've had some terrible games with bad button-lag and pressure/through-ball whores that have ended up 4-0 to them, BUT, in my last one of these games, I had a higher "team spirit" rating, played deep, and managed to score three goals on the counter myself (after which he started scoring own goals like a moron).

The good matches are great (really satisfying), the bad ones are terrible (pointless). Worth playing it for those good ones, I think (I've not seen 2v2 options online though).
 
First night I got the game my first 3 goals in the game were all from outside the area, manual shooting.

I've scored a few more since. All realistic and good hits. One or two were low, boucing or fizzing, and near the keeper but at pace, and they get a hand on it but cant keep it out.

The volleys fly anywhere, some close, but nothing special from distance has gone in yet.
 
aussiepesfan said:
I switched to PES2017, (which I then managed to play for about 3 hours straight), and what immediately stands out is how "tight" it feels after playing Fifa.
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that's the biggest thing for me too, i never feel in control when i play FIFA (i like the shooting, free kicks and skill challenge), PES feels just right to me when it comes to that feeling

one major thing i hope they could change for next years PES is the speed difference between players, i made a L1+X pass with Coman in my own half so he would sprint forward, Khedira was covering him side to side for about 40 meters, played the through ball after about 3-4 seconds with Payet and Khedira ultimately won the sprint, almost feels like everyones speed stats are the same on superstar difficulty
 
vondave said:
The volleys fly anywhere, some close, but nothing special from distance has gone in yet.
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Yeah, same here, which is a little worrying - but much preferable to last year. If I shoot from outside the box now, I always use the manual modifier button.
 
Chris Davies said:
I'm having a real mixed bag with it. I've played a few games that have been absolutely brilliant, slight button-lag but not too much, hard-fought tactical 0-0s and 1-0s. In-between those, I've had some terrible games with bad button-lag and pressure/through-ball whores that have ended up 4-0 to them, BUT, in my last one of these games, I had a higher "team spirit" rating, played deep, and managed to score three goals on the counter myself (after which he started scoring own goals like a moron).

The good matches are great (really satisfying), the bad ones are terrible (pointless). Worth playing it for those good ones, I think (I've not seen 2v2 options online though).
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I had a feeling there would be no 2v2 as someone over at PESFan said Asim had apparently tweeted "Not going to make a mode that only 2 people are interested in" yet that mode from what I can gather is quite popular on FIFA
 
Just played the game of my life. Is this game clicking?!

What option file are you all using for premier league kits, up to date stats etc?
 
Diecii said:
Online is complete crap so far. It feels slow unresponsive and laggy. They seem to be on ice all the time when you try to turn or change directions. I remember this was also the case last year and then they adjusted it to make it more responsive. Any word on whether they will do the same this year ??
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Nothing yet but there is server maintenance scheduled for the 20th I think.
Is it just me or is it near impossible to keep possession of the ball when challenged by an opposing player online?
It seems you are forced to play 1 touch ping pong passing in order to keep possession of the ball. Even controlling the ball followed by an immediate pass is extremely risky
 
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