PES 2017 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

Matt10 said:
Okay, so my age was tested last night as I claimed as soon as I got the game I'd be up all night. I made it to 2 AM, but still, I had higher aspirations :) .

So much good about this game. However, yes, the issues I discussed are definitely not fixed.

They are:

- CDM positioning not releasing from Defensive Line
- No transition from Attack to Defense Levels

But...it can be fixed...or at least made better...

Go to....

Edit > Teams > Gameplan > Preset Tactics > Fluid Formations "On" > Formation Change > Make "In Possession" match "Out of Possession"

Defensive Instructions > Frontline Pressure (All out defense results in instant retreat)

Video :)


Are there more adjustments that can be made? Absolutely. However, this very quick change gets the positioning in tact and players much more engaged with what's happening on the pitch, versus what their designated, robotic, positions. I'm enjoying it, and I hope you all try it!!
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Well done, Matt
Those fixes must be applied to both teams Tactics (Cpu/Player) right?
Thanks
 
shez said:
I've got the full game and sadly the AI is very repetitive, The same sequences when attacking and most of the goals are identical (Chipped ball into the box, Rebound, near post cross) and everything goes into the low bottom corner.

They also miss absolute sitters when they're up in the score to give you a chance in the game lol

Playing be a legend is a such a lifeless chore as well.

I'm optimistic that some tactical tweaks to the ai would fix these things *fingers crossed*
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So in your opinion they have gone backwards from the demo?
Sorry but either they are fucked up in the head going back to PES 2016 or there is something wrong with the PES you have.
 
Chris Davies said:
It could well be something else - I'm just assuming it's PES because I've not ordered anything else, and because the game was showing as "posted" late last night (I was thinking that might mean they'd posted it in the morning, and the status hadn't been updated until later on).


How dare you bring the size of my letterbox into this! :P

It's been sent signed-for, but I definitely selected "first class". Either it's something else or they've used the wrong postage. :(
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Shoptos last postage is 5pm so anything after then may say posted but might be sitting in the warehouse.

Also what's happened to the pic of the parcel? Must've stopped it.
 
But how is it 2 people can say 2 completely opposite things.

And we not talking little bits of nuances we talking core fundamentals of the game which according to him is broke entirely. Every goal he has conceded since he has had the game which is around 2 days now is either a rebound, lobbed throughball or a cross to the near post always finished in the bottom corner.

That's not something that I will hope they still fix it's something that will make me start sending hate mail to Konami.
 
I want to go home NOW!!!!

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zeemeister said:
But how is it 2 people can say 2 completely opposite things.

And we not talking little bits of nuances we talking core fundamentals of the game which according to him is broke entirely. Every goal he has conceded since he has had the game which is around 2 days now is either a rebound, lobbed throughball or a cross to the near post always finished in the bottom corner.

That's not something that I will hope they still fix it's something that will make me start sending hate mail to Konami.
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I don't get that either.
I'm very critical and really disliked PES 2016 but this demo feels totally different.
I have to add though that I play with manual passing in this demo what I hardly did on PES 2016.

So could all of you just mention the settings you play with, please?

I love AI variation, manual passing, the pace, ball physics and that unpredictable gameplay.

I can't believe that this is all gone in the full game.
 
chiefrocka4real said:
I don't get that either.
I'm very critical and really disliked PES 2016 but this demo feels totally different.
I have to add though that I play with manual passing in this demo what I hardly did on PES 2016.

So could all of you just mention the settings you play with, please?

I love AI variation, manual passing, the pace, ball physics and that unpredictable gameplay.

I can't believe that this is all gone in the full game.
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Here are my settings:

Superstar
15 minutes

Cursor Change - Semi
Cursor Type - Off
Pass Support - Level 1
Through Ball - Basic
Shot Type - Basic (for now)
Free Kick - Reverse
Directional Guide - Off
Target Guide - Off
Positioning Guide - Off
Auto-Feint - Off
Auto Sliding - Assisted
Teammate Controls - Assisted
Camera: Wide (Zoom 4, Height 2, Angle 10)

And my livestream the second the full game showed up for me. I will say there is plenty of variety. I think it's forced by tactics at some point, but with the 5 second adjustment that I posted earlier, it enhances the play.

 
zeemeister said:
But how is it 2 people can say 2 completely opposite things.

And we not talking little bits of nuances we talking core fundamentals of the game which according to him is broke entirely. Every goal he has conceded since he has had the game which is around 2 days now is either a rebound, lobbed throughball or a cross to the near post always finished in the bottom corner.

That's not something that I will hope they still fix it's something that will make me start sending hate mail to Konami.
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Sadly this is my experience, I remember reporting the lack of fouls issue and I was ridiculed, now everybody is celebrating adding them again LOL

Two other issues:

- Can anyone win a penalty from open play?

- The goalkeeper is glued to the six yard box it's a total joke, If anyone can show us a video of a dribble past the gk or chip him I'd be very impressed.

I'm willing to share my videos once people get the full game.
 
Mehtab said:
I got the full game and it seems like they changed the manual pass a little bit. It was perfect but they have to change it regardless. I feel a bit of catchup bug. But other than that and the lazer guided passing by the CPU, it's the best PES this gen. The variety in team and player is pretty realistic. However there are certain scripted moments in Master League based on team spirit as I thrashed Man UTD by 4-0 being Leicester City and got beaten by Bournemouth by 2 goals to 0.
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Explain . ..how did they change the manual pass?.. .direction . .. weight . .speed . .what?
 
Matt10 said:
Okay, so my age was tested last night as I claimed as soon as I got the game I'd be up all night. I made it to 2 AM, but still, I had higher aspirations :) .

So much good about this game. However, yes, the issues I discussed are definitely not fixed.

They are:

- CDM positioning not releasing from Defensive Line
- No transition from Attack to Defense Levels

But...it can be fixed...or at least made better...

Go to....

Edit > Teams > Gameplan > Preset Tactics > Fluid Formations "On" > Formation Change > Make "In Possession" match "Out of Possession"

Defensive Instructions > Frontline Pressure (All out defense results in instant retreat)

Video :)


Are there more adjustments that can be made? Absolutely. However, this very quick change gets the positioning in tact and players much more engaged with what's happening on the pitch, versus what their designated, robotic, positions. I'm enjoying it, and I hope you all try it!!
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That's why I love getting the game a few days later,you sorting the little dinks out:)
So you'll go same formation kickoff/in poss/out of possesion?
And frontline pressure instead of all out def?
Have you seen any problems using long ball vs short pass (pass percentage,very passive,not going fw)?
Containment area.
Sorry,don't want you to explore everything here,but if you trying any of the settings above,please post pal.
Good findings Matt
 
Matt10 said:
Here are my settings:

Superstar
15 minutes

Cursor Change - Semi
Cursor Type - Off
Pass Support - Level 1
Through Ball - Basic
Shot Type - Basic (for now)
Free Kick - Reverse
Directional Guide - Off
Target Guide - Off
Positioning Guide - Off
Auto-Feint - Off
Auto Sliding - Assisted
Teammate Controls - Assisted
Camera: Wide (Zoom 4, Height 2, Angle 10)

And my livestream the second the full game showed up for me. I will say there is plenty of variety. I think it's forced by tactics at some point, but with the 5 second adjustment that I posted earlier, it enhances the play.

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nice video about the tactics, I have faith in klansman and pesuniverse to make this the best ML of all time
 
shez said:
Sadly this is my experience, I remember reporting the lack of fouls issue and I was ridiculed, now everybody is celebrating adding them again LOL

Two other issues:

- Can anyone win a penalty from open play?

- The goalkeeper is glued to the six yard box it's a total joke, If anyone can show us a video of a dribble past the gk or chip him I'd be very impressed.

I'm willing to share my videos once people get the full game.
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Why would you only share once people have the full game?

What do you mean you highlighted lack of fouls now everyone is celebrating them. You are not making sense at the moment.
 
Jimi_Zuko said:
Y

yeah tried doing it several times, defensive awareness is very good, you may at times get into the final 3rd with your FB with ease but that's only cos the opposition is defending deep but once ur in that final 3rd very very hard to break me down, is good lot of variety which is welcoming
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I have heard here and there about the supposed easiness of getting around the defenders in PES 2016 through dribbling, never tried to exploit it though for fear of destroying the illusion of having a well balanced game where you need to cleverly pass the ball to create opportunities.
But lately a workcolleague asked if PES 2016 wasn't too easy, obviously having read of this "bug" here or elsewhere (to be honest it was a bit out of character for him to ask that, since he doesn't play football games at all and never has), so I got curious and tried to exploit it now, to see if I could generate some high-goal-victories with it (if it worked there would be no harm, as the new PES game is just around the corner).

Using PES 2016 (on xbox one), with the latest patches, playing an international cup-game on top-player, with gamespeed -1, 20-minute match and full manual:

I could leave some opposition players in the dust using that technique, but only in my half, in the CPU's half it didn't work, sometimes I could outstep a defender, but only to have an additional defender harshly closing me down or hacking me down, losing the ball in the process. It seemed to be a bit easier to do on the wings, and much harder to pull off in the middle-section of the final third of the pitch.

While trying to do that, ie. trying to use the exploit, I lost the game 1:6. Usually I win or lose these cup-games with 2:0, 1:2 or 1:0.

So either this "exploit" got patched out of the game and people who use this exploit play an unpatched version of the game, or I'm doing something wrong.
 
rockstrongo said:
That's why I love getting the game a few days later,you sorting the little dinks out:)
So you'll go same formation kickoff/in poss/out of possesion?
And frontline pressure instead of all out def?
Have you seen any problems using long ball vs short pass (pass percentage,very passive,not going fw)?
Containment area.
Sorry,don't want you to explore everything here,but if you trying any of the settings above,please post pal.
Good findings Matt
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The "In possession" formation is the same as the "Out of possession" formation, "Kick Off" formation stays default. Frontline pressure instead of all out defense is best so you don't see that instant retreat syndrome.

I haven't seen any problems with play styles. The only somewhat concern was that Messi, on Top Player, just doesn't play right. However, I feel this is because of his player role not being an SS, instead I believe he's as a RW.

I probably won't dig too deep as the 5 second adjustment helps mitigate the main issues I had from watching videos.

gomito#10 said:
nice video about the tactics, I have faith in klansman and pesuniverse to make this the best ML of all time
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Definitely, Klash is the man - no pun intended. However, any adjustment that doesn't include my 5 formation change, will most likely revert back to that default open back-and-forth space game. I feel it's the same as PES 16, as that is where I did a lot of my testing. Not tooting my own horn, just advising of what I have already tested.
 
I just got home to find my simplygames order from yesterday has arrived :)
I wasn't expecting it today as I only ordered yesterday lunch and I thought it would probably arrive tomorrow.
Well chuffed that it has arrived - I'm off to give it a blast :)

Bugger, I have to update PS4 software first so I am back on here for a few.

There is also a PES update 1.01, I wonder what that is as the transfers are on Thursday right?
 
shez said:
I've got the full game and sadly the AI is very repetitive, The same sequences when attacking and most of the goals are identical (Chipped ball into the box, Rebound, near post cross) and everything goes into the low bottom corner.

They also miss absolute sitters when they're up in the score to give you a chance in the game lol

Playing be a legend is a such a lifeless chore as well.

I'm optimistic that some tactical tweaks to the ai would fix these things *fingers crossed*
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Not had any of this experience in the demo.........wait? You were just as critical of the demo too!!

Time to say the game is not for you maybe?
 
shez said:
Two other issues:

- Can anyone win a penalty from open play?
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I did it in the demo, France vs Germany Top Player level.

I was using some feints in the penalty area with Payet and he got elbowed in the face.
The animation of Payet falling with his hands on the face was very realistic.
 
Matt10 said:
The "In possession" formation is the same as the "Out of possession" formation, "Kick Off" formation stays default. Frontline pressure instead of all out defense is best so you don't see that instant retreat syndrome.

I haven't seen any problems with play styles. The only somewhat concern was that Messi, on Top Player, just doesn't play right. However, I feel this is because of his player role not being an SS, instead I believe he's as a RW.

I probably won't dig too deep as the 5 second adjustment helps mitigate the main issues I had from watching videos.



Definitely, Klash is the man - no pun intended. However, any adjustment that doesn't include my 5 formation change, will most likely revert back to that default open back-and-forth space game. I feel it's the same as PES 16, as that is where I did a lot of my testing. Not tooting my own horn, just advising of what I have already tested.
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so i have to install the OF with Klash's tactical changes and then edit the stuff you mentioned above!?
 
Any guys with the game.

I want to play online with pass level 1 and only play guys who also play with pass level 1, can i do this?

Also, I may in-future want to also have my shooting set to advanced or manual, can i play guys only with this setting too?
 
PRO_TOO said:
so i have to install the OF with Klash's tactical changes and then edit the stuff you mentioned above!?
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That would be most likely. Although I plan on doing that if it's not done already, which it probably won't since it changes the gameplay a bit. Some may like it, some may not.
 
Matt10 said:
The "In possession" formation is the same as the "Out of possession" formation, "Kick Off" formation stays default. Frontline pressure instead of all out defense is best so you don't see that instant retreat syndrome.

I haven't seen any problems with play styles. The only somewhat concern was that Messi, on Top Player, just doesn't play right. However, I feel this is because of his player role not being an SS, instead I believe he's as a RW.

I probably won't dig too deep as the 5 second adjustment helps mitigate the main issues I had from watching videos.



Definitely, Klash is the man - no pun intended. However, any adjustment that doesn't include my 5 formation change, will most likely revert back to that default open back-and-forth space game. I feel it's the same as PES 16, as that is where I did a lot of my testing. Not tooting my own horn, just advising of what I have already tested.
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I would remove creative playmaker from Messi and maybe add Prolific Winger instead or just keep his trait blank. Creative Playmaker has him playing similar to Rooney.
 
zeemeister said:
Why would you only share once people have the full game?

What do you mean you highlighted lack of fouls now everyone is celebrating them. You are not making sense at the moment.
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3 years ago I came in here complaining that the game had no fouls, I was ridiculed every year for my input, The same people are up here thanking Konami for adding fouls :/

Dr Force said:
Not had any of this experience in the demo.........wait? You were just as critical of the demo too!!

Time to say the game is not for you maybe?
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I'm just pointing out what I see as a weakness. And still cannot believe that in 2017 we are getting a football game with goalkeepers that don't come out of their goals ffs !!
 
Matt10 said:
The "In possession" formation is the same as the "Out of possession" formation, "Kick Off" formation stays default. Frontline pressure instead of all out defense is best so you don't see that instant retreat syndrome.

I haven't seen any problems with play styles. The only somewhat concern was that Messi, on Top Player, just doesn't play right. However, I feel this is because of his player role not being an SS, instead I believe he's as a RW.

I probably won't dig too deep as the 5 second adjustment helps mitigate the main issues I had from watching videos.



Definitely, Klash is the man - no pun intended. However, any adjustment that doesn't include my 5 formation change, will most likely revert back to that default open back-and-forth space game. I feel it's the same as PES 16, as that is where I did a lot of my testing. Not tooting my own horn, just advising of what I have already tested.
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Yeah,sounds good that you can make those quick adjustments,did a similar adjusment on 16,since I'm on xb1 and don't get to patch the game,that's what I take a few hours doing before starting a ML.
Some hard work and the ML gets so much more fun to play
 
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