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PES 2015 Discussion Thread (PS4/XB1)
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DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
Has This been posted already ?
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He might act clueless sometimes but he has a point, u need to judge after playing it for yourself. I remember that pes 2014 was really smooth in the videos too.
Well I assume they are playing on Advanced (regular), which is just too easy and tends to ruin the spectacle by causing deadly bouts of brain-farts in the AI.
I think the difficulty system needs refinement myself. I don't understand the need for three difficulties for absolute beginners. Beginner, Amateur and Advanced could probably all be rolled into one and Professional could/should be the default setting.
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Nobody was judging the game, he asked for feedback they linked him to some video showing GK problems. He went on a tirade.
andy18cruz
Sth, sth ... dark side
Sorry, but Superstars is too easy, let alone Professional...
AI needs a revamp (the 2014 one), but the difficulties scales are good in my opinion
DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
The better responsiveness and the more fluid animations are really making dribbling something special.
Look at how a skillful player like Sneijder can dribble players with simple moves, that increases the risks of that dumb defending mentality of running directly towards the man on the ball when you are a bit far from him, wich gives him time and Space to dribble past the oppoment player with a simple change of direction.
The triangle seems to be overpowered imo
Look at how a skillful player like Sneijder can dribble players with simple moves, that increases the risks of that dumb defending mentality of running directly towards the man on the ball when you are a bit far from him, wich gives him time and Space to dribble past the oppoment player with a simple change of direction.
The triangle seems to be overpowered imo
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Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Balance between attack and defence should be key. Giving attackers the possibility to dribble with high responsiveness is good, but skilled and heavy defenders should also be key to stop these quick players.
I remember how skilled defenders like Maldini, Cannavaro, Thuram, really made a difference in past Pes against these agile players...
Balance is what made ps2 Pes so great. Balance is what Pes lacks since so much time. Online gameplay without a balanced gameplay between defence and attacking will be bad, really bad, especially considering the omnipresent lag in Pes games online.
I remember how skilled defenders like Maldini, Cannavaro, Thuram, really made a difference in past Pes against these agile players...
Balance is what made ps2 Pes so great. Balance is what Pes lacks since so much time. Online gameplay without a balanced gameplay between defence and attacking will be bad, really bad, especially considering the omnipresent lag in Pes games online.
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DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
Well, if you are 5m away from the player on the ball, sprinting towards him is just the dumbest decision a defender could make.
IRL defenders have enough notion of Space to know that doing this makes it a lot easier for the player on the ball to dribble.
None of the dribbles I saw on This video suggested me that the game could be favoring the attack side of the game.
An intuitive, responsive and simple dribbling system like This only expose bad defending from players, and I believe This is good thing for online games actually, as it could punish blind and noob pressure wich is always my main concern when it comes to player vs player experience.
So far, what I Think that it could be giving high advantage for the attacking side of the game is the triangle passes. But This could be due to the short halves match.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Remember, it has to be positive.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Well... after watching pretty much every existent PES 2015 video and analyzing them, I can give you my unimportant thoughts.
The Good:
-Game pace is spot on. There are times when matches get vertiginous and vertical, and there are some other times when they die a little and start getting a little too battled in the midfield, which is always good.
- Animations have been improved vastly, and there are many more, which is what I've been asking since PES 6. The more quantity, the better chance the game might have. Transitions still need to be polished though.
-More ways to create scoring chances. More variables when attacking. Through balls are looking extremely exploitable though, they need to fix this ASAP.
-Shots power look great. I agree they still need more shooting animations.
-Menus look great.
-Player models are THE BOMB.
-Player ID is PERFECT. Neymar, Iniesta, Müller, Götze (hate you) are a joy to watch. Robben could be better, he runs a little too "chickenish" for my tast, reminds me of PES 2009 running animation which was disgusting.
-Lighting and color palette are very good. Grass color could be a little more vibrant IMO.
The Bad:
-I still have my doubts about how players behave when carrying the ball when you aren't pressing the spint button. This was a game breaker for me last year. Running with the ball without sprinting, and not to be able to dribble or get past opponents unless you used the right stick or the sprinting button. If you watch closely, you can barely see players WITH the ball NOT sprinting. This worries me.
-The lack of licenses. I know, I know: "PES never was about licenses. It's about gameplay". But still, when you're about to invest A LOT of money in a PS4 or a XBOX ONE to enjoy PES at its fullest, licenses do matter. Just to think that I won't be able to play a proper English Premier League (I'm not even talking about Stadiums) dissapoints me a lot. Manchester City using that horrible shirt, with that horrible badge and that horrible fantasy name.
-Tactics/Strategy seem to be a little too basic for my taste. I guess I'm gonna have to wait and try it out myself, but from the videos I saw... they look too amateurish.
Undecided:
-In order to judge many other aspects of the game, I think we still need to see a P1 VS CPU match in World Class difficulty. Otherwise things like CPU possession, Goalkeepers and attacking/defensive AI are impossible to be judge objectively. You just can't.
Looking forward to trying out the demo. Although, as of yet, I really wouldn't dare to preorder either one of these 2 games.
The Good:
-Game pace is spot on. There are times when matches get vertiginous and vertical, and there are some other times when they die a little and start getting a little too battled in the midfield, which is always good.
- Animations have been improved vastly, and there are many more, which is what I've been asking since PES 6. The more quantity, the better chance the game might have. Transitions still need to be polished though.
-More ways to create scoring chances. More variables when attacking. Through balls are looking extremely exploitable though, they need to fix this ASAP.
-Shots power look great. I agree they still need more shooting animations.
-Menus look great.
-Player models are THE BOMB.
-Player ID is PERFECT. Neymar, Iniesta, Müller, Götze (hate you) are a joy to watch. Robben could be better, he runs a little too "chickenish" for my tast, reminds me of PES 2009 running animation which was disgusting.
-Lighting and color palette are very good. Grass color could be a little more vibrant IMO.
The Bad:
-I still have my doubts about how players behave when carrying the ball when you aren't pressing the spint button. This was a game breaker for me last year. Running with the ball without sprinting, and not to be able to dribble or get past opponents unless you used the right stick or the sprinting button. If you watch closely, you can barely see players WITH the ball NOT sprinting. This worries me.
-The lack of licenses. I know, I know: "PES never was about licenses. It's about gameplay". But still, when you're about to invest A LOT of money in a PS4 or a XBOX ONE to enjoy PES at its fullest, licenses do matter. Just to think that I won't be able to play a proper English Premier League (I'm not even talking about Stadiums) dissapoints me a lot. Manchester City using that horrible shirt, with that horrible badge and that horrible fantasy name.
-Tactics/Strategy seem to be a little too basic for my taste. I guess I'm gonna have to wait and try it out myself, but from the videos I saw... they look too amateurish.
Undecided:
-In order to judge many other aspects of the game, I think we still need to see a P1 VS CPU match in World Class difficulty. Otherwise things like CPU possession, Goalkeepers and attacking/defensive AI are impossible to be judge objectively. You just can't.
Looking forward to trying out the demo. Although, as of yet, I really wouldn't dare to preorder either one of these 2 games.
andy18cruz
Sth, sth ... dark side
Positive = feedback
Negative = Criticism, done by delusional PC fans and FIFA fanboys.
Negative = Criticism, done by delusional PC fans and FIFA fanboys.
Noob-Saibot
Banned
- 24 March 2014
zeemeister
foxy engine
Play the freaking game. That is all he is saying, maybe not at his charismatic best but I could hardly blame him.
Also nothing wrong with negative feedback but what people are doing is not negative feedback. Its parade pissing and it started when PC players WRONGLY got the short straw. Now its a matter of spoiling other peoples enjoyment of anything posted....blah blah blah blah shut the fuck up zee
Also nothing wrong with negative feedback but what people are doing is not negative feedback. Its parade pissing and it started when PC players WRONGLY got the short straw. Now its a matter of spoiling other peoples enjoyment of anything posted....blah blah blah blah shut the fuck up zee
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
Since i see many are interested there is this video showing 3 minutes of tactic menus
YouTube - PES 2015 Gamescom Demo: Taktikmenü + Spielerstärken + Gameplay 1 Halbzeit GER vs. BRA
YouTube - PES 2015 Gamescom Demo: Taktikmenü + Spielerstärken + Gameplay 1 Halbzeit GER vs. BRA
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danhammer
Champions League
- 23 February 2004
Noob-Saibot
Banned
- 24 March 2014
But mate.. if we see shit from the screen, from the video...why we are not allowed to point out to them ?
Damn .. I'm a fan of this series almost a hole my fucking life .. believe me ..from a video I can do quite conclusions. And its not just me ...
His behavior in this case is unacceptable. Could answer:
Yes, we have more work to do, so that why we will release it so late . Thank you for interest and feedback "
THAT IS ...
But in reality, he is the face of Konami. I think the whole attitude of konami, not only to PC fans, but to fans as a whole, this year is just ... wow ... I can not find the right word to describe it ... not acceptable, arrogant, stupid, insulting. I like PES fan, I feel very offended and ashamed.
U have to praise him first as the pes messiah and tell him how perfect the game is. That what he means by constructive criticism.
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zeemeister
foxy engine
chiefrocka4real
Champions League
Escuse me but what kind of shit did you see on the screen exactly?
How can you judge a vid that never gets you the same impression by playing yourself due to compression, lower framerate etc.
Plus, I hardly see anyone playing the game the nice way, i.e. build up play, long shot attempts etc etc.
And, how the hell do we know what kind of settings these people used?
It´s just scoring no matter what and sprintfest session.
None of them even tried this damn jinking run or took a flat shot (square and triangle, so much fun on PES 2014), or a long shot etc etc.
You HAVE to play the game for yourself to judge it, that´s all he says ande he´s totally right about that.
And you have to play several games, not only two or three.
Btw,
I´m also a big fan since PES 3 on the PS2.
But I know that I can´t judge the game by a vid that doesn´t even show the final release.
I gotta play it myself to know how it is.
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All said and done the man is just childish and rude. He should rise above some of the things said, i mean people are konami paying customers and he replies in such a rude and unprofessional manner. I would not like to ever meet such a person i wouldn't be able to resist boxing him in the chops. We all have opinions and he's at an advantage because he's played the bloody game so he should just be think ' keep talking you'll be eating your words soon' but it's not possible for this guy.@ Fremm: Do they still have the dirt on the kits?
If someone said something like "the feel of the game is wrong"... then yes you could RESPECTFULLY say "we thank you for the feedback but please try the game first".
Now, you don't need to have a controller in your hand to know a GK glitching out of a post is wrong or that a GK is badly positioned or that a ball going through Diego's back isn't a good thing.
The guy acts like he's 24/7 in a dark room coding the game to be perfect when all he does is PR shit and he's horrible at it. I do feel bad for the people coding the game that probably would WANT to see the video bits with bugs to solve them. The worse part is that he puts himself into these twitter feuds and then acts like a victim.
Now, you don't need to have a controller in your hand to know a GK glitching out of a post is wrong or that a GK is badly positioned or that a ball going through Diego's back isn't a good thing.
The guy acts like he's 24/7 in a dark room coding the game to be perfect when all he does is PR shit and he's horrible at it. I do feel bad for the people coding the game that probably would WANT to see the video bits with bugs to solve them. The worse part is that he puts himself into these twitter feuds and then acts like a victim.
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Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
I think Adam spends more time talking to members the community and answering what questions he can than any other employee from any company that develops video games. Still isn't enough for many though. My criticism of Adam is that he bothers. I wouldn't waste any of my time or sanity on most of those rude petulant kids from the entitled generation that skulk around the dark shallow halls of Twitterland.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
That's not in question. His attitude and professionalism is. The way the potential customers communicate with him is neither here nor there. He's paid to deal with that.
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
He's not paid to deal with abuse. Still, that's his fault though. Instead of answering a couple of intelligent questions from members of the community and leaving it alone for a few weeks, he spends too much time on there and ends up getting frustrated by the idiots that wind him up.
andy18cruz
Sth, sth ... dark side
What other feedback can people give? I didn't saw the tweets nor did I participate, but he could ask for feedback only from the people that actually played the game, the "few" that were at GC. I don't think he did that.
Most people enjoyed what they saw in the videos, myself included, but some pointed things that need some "ironing" and other that seem a recurring problem (like GK's). If you point that out people here people say you are a negative person, only talk about the bad, etc. I see things in a different light, if people talk about what is bad, maybe they will fix it in the upcoming months, but hey, what do I know...