PES 2015 Discussion Thread (PS4/XB1)

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_anderson said:
I used to think the same (even wrote an article about it), but it quickly became clear that Konami's "new engine" is very different from what EA did in 06/07. The game wasn't rebuilt from the ground-up based on the new engine, they adapted the existing game, using the Fox Engine to power the graphics and physics, but the vast majority of gameplay mechanics remained the same.

For me, there's nothing in PES2014 that suggests a comeback. Hope to be proven wrong this year.
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There is a difference though.

Fifa 07 new engine was exclusively built for ps360 gen, while last year Pes new engine was severely limited by ps3 and 360 consoles.

This brought them to focus on making the game playable without adding anything really new to the core gameplay.
 
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No anderson you are totally misinformed.

Back in FIFA 07 on the 360 that game was totally built from scratch and tool nothing over from the previous fifas because the teams that worked on the engine where seperate.

Ea have 3 different teams at the time working on a general ea sports engine. Fifa 07 for the ps2 and fifa 07 for the ps3.

What makes it so bad is ea no longer have many of the people who created the engine around so the momentum system built by huges ricour's team is still there and its seems the current team don't know how to properly manage it.

I said before I been playing and discussing fifa for a very long time, I know how fifa has got so far and why!

Pes 2014 was clearly 100% from scratch. By the same people who built the last engine hence why your seeing the similarities. Nothing has been carried over, it was rebuilt with the same intention and philosophy. The way the files are organised are 100% different to pes 2013.

Yair even im sure noted some simularities with the command lines from previous games. Funny thing is the command lines and the file organisation between fifa on the ps2 and ps3 are actually far more similar than pes 13 to 14.

Sorry, your misinformed. I think like my point said. Your worrying your feeling overly insecure because pes isn't what you want right now. What worries me is you can't see how pes 2014 failed because it lacked too many elements from 2013, 2014 was ot bad because it was similar in mechanics to the last gen, the reason was the opposite.
 
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klashman69 said:
Something i'd like to share here with the usual silly FIFA and PES debate.

I have played both and will continue to play both and every football game which is released since 1994. I have extensively played FIFA 14 and PES 2014 and 2013 this year, when i read people's opinions here the overwhelming issue i see here is people seem rather, as i say 'insecure'.

People's awareness is solely based on now, now and now, nobody seems to be good at looking forward and seeing the big picture. PES's rise and fall and imminent resurgence is no accident along with the Rise of FIFA. What i can't understand is why people can't see this?

ISS/PES became the number 1 football game because Seabass's team did their homework and didn't cut corners like other companies did way back on the PS1 Generation, this followed onto the PS2 generation because Seabass's team got the philosophy right. Build the game on stats.

Most if not all the other titles built their games on all manner of gimmicks and their games lacked individuality and variety because they where not prepared to do their homework.

The reason why FIFA came to prominence now is because of money, EA tried all sorts of gimmicks over the years, most if not all of which failed until around FIFA 2005, they started to get hardened PES fanatics in who gave FIFA a better platform to build their game on, trying to emulate PES with new technology and a more stat based philosophy. EA despite their failures always had giant reserves of cash and received a new, groundbreaking next generation engine in 2005! This was and still is standard procedure at EA, Konami on the other hand didn't look into the future and their failure was inevitable due to their fear of change.

EA's success around FIFA 08/09 and especially 10 on this generation unfortunately brought in an issue, they had an engine a generation ahead of its competitor so there has been since FIFA 08 no core changes to build the game on stats. Their intention from FIFA 10 onwards has shown no serious attempt to improve the game using the PES philosophy, instead it's become the 'Call of Duty' of football games, an 'action sim', it simulates a few aspects but fails to balance out the game, it seems to go from one extreme to the other each title. Take for example the tricks on FIFA, on FIFA 08 this was in the philosophy of PES stat based, every player who was over 85 for ball control could do all the advanced tricks, since 09 it's been totally separate to the stats. Then you have the goals you score, for years finesse shots across the keeper where king, then they stopped this for near post piledrivers to become the king. Every year they have added new features which have brought the game 4 steps forwards but these have always brought new flaws which bring the game 3 steps backwards. This is because EA have had gameplay which looks and feels a generation ahead with it's engine despite the action simulation nature of the game itself.

EA have their game in an unassailable position regardless of what PES does, hence why i have put no energy into trying to improve EA's title like i used to, our input means nothing because the game will sell regardless.

The reason I've put so much energy into PES is because it's doing it's homework with the resources it has available, it's accepted it's position in the marked and has worked hard to go back to what made it great and stabilize, it's simply not had the money to advertise and promote it's game against EA, so it's gone into working on the care fundamentals of football. From PES 2010-2013, clearly not all the titles, every year key improvements where made to advance the football philosophy. PES 2013 for me and for many was the 'genesis' of PES, it was everything they could do within the last generation engine they had.

The most interesting me is last years failure with PES 2014 was people has seemed to forget that Konami now have an engine which can stand up to EA's engine, this, just like FIFA taking over from PES 7 years ago means PES's resurgence is inevitable.

It's not about, arguing which is better and who is an idiot for playing what, these things go in cycles and it's about all of us being aware what was good, what's good now and what will be good. People will pick what they like, we are a community and that is the most important thing we all share our experiences, whichever game is better won't change our lives but the discussions here and new awareness discovered can only create good things.
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What a great post and interesting read. I have fifa 14 on the ps4 and i don't play it - my lad does - for me pes 14 is superior in terms of ball physics and animations. I really believe that with the fox engine combined with new hardware much of what's wrong with pes; the unresponsiveness, shooting, keepers etc can be corrected. I really do hope so.
 
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Ameppe said:
That argument is valid only if Pes 2015 is the following step, the natural evolution of Pes 2014, and not a total reset.

I'm worried about this though, Adam keeps saying Pes 2015 gameplay is totally different compared to Pes 2014...

They need to drastically improve and fix Pes 2014 errors, not reset it.
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The best way to describe pes 2014 is a 'proof of concept'.

Can't remember who said it but it sums the game up perfectly. Pes 2014 is such a basic game that there was little chance of it feeling the same as the new game.

What im a little apprehensive over is the bringing pes6 back, how the fuck thats going to work in 360º I don't know. However the leaked footage from june looks good.
 
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The "built from scratch" thing was regarding FIFA.

And I stand by what I said, PES 2014 was not "100% done from scratch". Parts of it were rebuilt to take advantage of the new engine, but the core was a direct port.
 
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king dey said:
What a great post and interesting read. I have fifa 14 on the ps4 and i don't play it - my lad does - for me pes 14 is superior in terms of ball physics and animations. I really believe that with the fox engine combined with new hardware much of what's wrong with pes; the unresponsiveness, shooting, keepers etc can be corrected. I really do hope so.
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PES will get there, it's a question of when not if. What could go wrong is they put all these new things in there could be a shitload of new bugs and flaws.

What offers reassurance is they will hold back on release until its ready rather than rush it out and try patch the fixes later like 2014.
 
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klashman69 said:
PES will get there, it's a question of when not if. What could go wrong is they put all these new things in there could be a shitload of new bugs and flaws.

What offers reassurance is they will hold back on release until its ready rather than rush it out and try patch the fixes later like 2014.
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I think it'll come in oct some time as it always used to do and you're right it has to be right 'straight out of the box'. I find pes14 such a grind to play after the most recent patch; the shooting is terrible; i've got it on pc but need an idiots guide to modding - not sure where to start.

I've gone bck to playing pes6 - such a fun game; great cpu AI but responsive & exciting; great saves, last minute tackles, goal line clearances. So much fun.
 
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klashman69 said:
PES will get there, it's a question of when not if. What could go wrong is they put all these new things in there could be a shitload of new bugs and flaws.

What offers reassurance is they will hold back on release until its ready rather than rush it out and try patch the fixes later like 2014.
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I wouldn't be so sure. Let's wait that release date.
 
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Well everyone says how nice pes6 was, but in the end, it is over 8 years ago, so history.
For me ISS 1 & ISS 2 were the funniest ones, but in the end it is 2014, we are expecting to get a complex game, and yes, there will be bugs!
Buf if the bugs are patched quick, it could be a nice game, in PES14 the bugs were patched every 2-4 months with bringing new bugs. That ruined the game.
 
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selimgoeren said:
Well everyone says how nice pes6 was, but in the end, it is over 8 years ago, so history.
For me ISS 1 & ISS 2 were the funniest ones, but in the end it is 2014, we are expecting to get a complex game, and yes, there will be bugs!
Buf if the bugs are patched quick, it could be a nice game, in PES14 the bugs were patched every 2-4 months with bringing new bugs. That ruined the game.
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PES 2014 was broken on release date and is still broken, if anything they fixed a couple of performance issues on PC. But the gameplay is still horrible.

I don't expect anything complex, I expect a playable football game that isn't facepalm worthy. A mediocre game would be a step up from last year.
 
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_anderson said:
I used to think the same (even wrote an article about it), but it quickly became clear that Konami's "new engine" is very different from what EA did in 06/07. The game wasn't rebuilt from the ground-up based on the new engine, they adapted the existing game, using the Fox Engine to power the graphics and physics, but the vast majority of gameplay mechanics remained the same.

For me, there's nothing in PES2014 that suggests a comeback. Hope to be proven wrong this year.
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_anderson said:
The "built from scratch" thing was regarding FIFA.

And I stand by what I said, PES 2014 was not "100% done from scratch". Parts of it were rebuilt to take advantage of the new engine, but the core was a direct port.
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I'm with Anderson on this one. I would never have known PES2014 was running on a new engine without prior knowledge.

I also don't believe the last-gen consoles 'hamstrung' the new engine. There's a whiff of making excuses about this one.
 
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klashman69 said:
Something i'd like to share here with the usual silly FIFA and PES debate.

I have played both and will continue to play both and every football game which is released since 1994. I have extensively played FIFA 14 and PES 2014 and 2013 this year, when i read people's opinions here the overwhelming issue i see here is people seem rather, as i say 'insecure'.

People's awareness is solely based on now, now and now, nobody seems to be good at looking forward and seeing the big picture. PES's rise and fall and imminent resurgence is no accident along with the Rise of FIFA. What i can't understand is why people can't see this?

ISS/PES became the number 1 football game because Seabass's team did their homework and didn't cut corners like other companies did way back on the PS1 Generation, this followed onto the PS2 generation because Seabass's team got the philosophy right. Build the game on stats.

Most if not all the other titles built their games on all manner of gimmicks and their games lacked individuality and variety because they where not prepared to do their homework.

The reason why FIFA came to prominence now is because of money, EA tried all sorts of gimmicks over the years, most if not all of which failed until around FIFA 2005, they started to get hardened PES fanatics in who gave FIFA a better platform to build their game on, trying to emulate PES with new technology and a more stat based philosophy. EA despite their failures always had giant reserves of cash and received a new, groundbreaking next generation engine in 2005! This was and still is standard procedure at EA, Konami on the other hand didn't look into the future and their failure was inevitable due to their fear of change.

EA's success around FIFA 08/09 and especially 10 on this generation unfortunately brought in an issue, they had an engine a generation ahead of its competitor so there has been since FIFA 08 no core changes to build the game on stats. Their intention from FIFA 10 onwards has shown no serious attempt to improve the game using the PES philosophy, instead it's become the 'Call of Duty' of football games, an 'action sim', it simulates a few aspects but fails to balance out the game, it seems to go from one extreme to the other each title. Take for example the tricks on FIFA, on FIFA 08 this was in the philosophy of PES stat based, every player who was over 85 for ball control could do all the advanced tricks, since 09 it's been totally separate to the stats. Then you have the goals you score, for years finesse shots across the keeper where king, then they stopped this for near post piledrivers to become the king. Every year they have added new features which have brought the game 4 steps forwards but these have always brought new flaws which bring the game 3 steps backwards. This is because EA have had gameplay which looks and feels a generation ahead with it's engine despite the action simulation nature of the game itself.

EA have their game in an unassailable position regardless of what PES does, hence why i have put no energy into trying to improve EA's title like i used to, our input means nothing because the game will sell regardless.

The reason I've put so much energy into PES is because it's doing it's homework with the resources it has available, it's accepted it's position in the marked and has worked hard to go back to what made it great and stabilize, it's simply not had the money to advertise and promote it's game against EA, so it's gone into working on the care fundamentals of football. From PES 2010-2013, clearly not all the titles, every year key improvements where made to advance the football philosophy. PES 2013 for me and for many was the 'genesis' of PES, it was everything they could do within the last generation engine they had.

The most interesting me is last years failure with PES 2014 was people has seemed to forget that Konami now have an engine which can stand up to EA's engine, this, just like FIFA taking over from PES 7 years ago means PES's resurgence is inevitable.

It's not about, arguing which is better and who is an idiot for playing what, these things go in cycles and it's about all of us being aware what was good, what's good now and what will be good. People will pick what they like, we are a community and that is the most important thing we all share our experiences, whichever game is better won't change our lives but the discussions here and new awareness discovered can only create good things.
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Absolutely fantastic post..soundly written,constructive and totally accurate..

You sir have vision..kudos!
 
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I would also like to add fifa14 is repetitive,limited and while arresting on a visceral level is totally devoid of soul..to paraphrase klashman.its the call of duty of footie games..the refinements have been small since 07 and while the window dressing has stepped up massively,the interface,feel,and gameplay has remained largely unchanged..

I to have played it alot since 07 and more so on the Xbox one this year,and while technically being very solid and playable it looses its appeal very quickly...rinse and repeat gameplay.

A solid pes will change the equation,but there's lies the great unanswered question of pes2015..still patiently optimistic.
 
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my opinion, if it matters, is that PES 2015 be an evolution of PES 2014 ( I hope ).

Like if PES 2014 is a transitioning from old gameplay to new gameplay ( more caotic, realistic, physic )

The weird thing is in PES 2014, is that there were times that i felt it was the biggest "turd" on earth, then feeling the best game ever EVER!

right now, i am in my honeymoon moment of PES 2014. Been playing this past weeks ( just played a game an hour ago ) and it was fantasticly brilliant.
but i remember months ago, i comming here and just wishing to insult the devs.

maybe its the way i play in that specific moment ( i am playing very very well now... lets see how it goes ) , maybe its the "teamvision" that when we win too much, starts cheating.. simply dunno.

Maybe... just maybe for me, PES 2015 could be PES 2014, with bug fixes and AI more complex and inteligent, so that the cpu doesnt have to resort to cheats or "cheap goals".

One thing is for sure... PES 2014 gives a "realistic feeling" of football that FIFA simply does not give.
 
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I've played both #FIFA15 and #PES2015 and I agree with many, FIFA is a great game, but players, I'm here to say,

The Pitch belongs to PES!

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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
So much I could say about #PES2015 but I honestly can't describe it.

Best PES ever? Definitely
Best football game ever? Possibly
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Everything I pictured my team doing, was happening in the game. FINALLY, no lag, fast response times and no slow down. Fluidity was poetry!
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I played 2 games in total silence.Anyone who knows me, knows I never play PES silent. I was silent because of what was happening in the game
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Game early in development. As I sat down and picked up the PS4 pad, I could see the excitement in the host's face, he knew what was coming.
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Very sunny preview that.
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katata said:
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) ‏@SunnyGearSolid 1h
I've played both #FIFA15 and #PES2015 and I agree with many, FIFA is a great game, but players, I'm here to say,

The Pitch belongs to PES!

Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
Come #gamescom2014 you will read a lot about the below;

Goalkeepers
Shooting
Individual animations
Ball control
Physicality
Refs
NO LAG!!!

Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
So much I could say about #PES2015 but I honestly can't describe it.

Best PES ever? Definitely
Best football game ever? Possibly
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
Everything I pictured my team doing, was happening in the game. FINALLY, no lag, fast response times and no slow down. Fluidity was poetry!
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
I played 2 games in total silence.Anyone who knows me, knows I never play PES silent. I was silent because of what was happening in the game
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 50m
Game early in development. As I sat down and picked up the PS4 pad, I could see the excitement in the host's face, he knew what was coming.
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 50m
Earlier today I played the latest build of #PES2015

I had already played earlier builds but kept opinions to myself as I knew it was a ...
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Why stop there, it even sounds like Adam's posts from the PES Messiah times, maybe it's an alternate persona he created around that time!

:COOL::SMUG:
 
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katata said:
Retweeted by Glen PESW
Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) ‏@SunnyGearSolid 1h
I've played both #FIFA15 and #PES2015 and I agree with many, FIFA is a great game, but players, I'm here to say,

The Pitch belongs to PES!

Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
Come #gamescom2014 you will read a lot about the below;

Goalkeepers
Shooting
Individual animations
Ball control
Physicality
Refs
NO LAG!!!

Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
So much I could say about #PES2015 but I honestly can't describe it.

Best PES ever? Definitely
Best football game ever? Possibly
ReplyReplied to 0 times RetweetRetweeted 61 times61 FavoriteFavorited 20 times20
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
Everything I pictured my team doing, was happening in the game. FINALLY, no lag, fast response times and no slow down. Fluidity was poetry!
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 49m
I played 2 games in total silence.Anyone who knows me, knows I never play PES silent. I was silent because of what was happening in the game
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 50m
Game early in development. As I sat down and picked up the PS4 pad, I could see the excitement in the host's face, he knew what was coming.
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Sunny Sanghera (Ubi) @SunnyGearSolid · 50m
Earlier today I played the latest build of #PES2015

I had already played earlier builds but kept opinions to myself as I knew it was a ...
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this was also posted about PES 2014 so...
 
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Banksy said:
I would also like to add fifa14 is repetitive,limited and while arresting on a visceral level is totally devoid of soul..to paraphrase klashman.its the call of duty of footie games..the refinements have been small since 07 and while the window dressing has stepped up massively,the interface,feel,and gameplay has remained largely unchanged..

I to have played it alot since 07 and more so on the Xbox one this year,and while technically being very solid and playable it looses its appeal very quickly...rinse and repeat gameplay.

A solid pes will change the equation,but there's lies the great unanswered question of pes2015..still patiently optimistic.
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I been playing fifa 12 as its a cheap fun football game brought for the benefit of everyone here. It's weird going back to it since it's actually a lot better than fifa 14. Fifa 14 is far more refined and far less loose and erratic in terms of tackling for one but wow, I can't understand why 14 game lacks so much freedom compared to fifa 12.

This must be because the only way for the first touch and inertia gimmicks to work is to screw up every players movement regardless of stats. As discovered by angus and many others over the years fifas current stats are calculated in percentages, there are no milestones like pes has for each attribute unlocking something new, pace and strength are the only real differences while everything else is subejct to a percentage chance with the added effect of the sweetspot location on the pitch and the inbuilt momentum system.

Here is an example:

If a player has 80 for ball control on fifa, it don't matter where he is on the pitch or what type of pass it is, he has an 80% chance of a good first touch. All the types of first touches are available to the player, the key factors are if the player is in a sweetspot or not. Depending on the momentum ingame fifa generates a good oppotunity or bad oppotunity. All the types of touch animations depending on how difficault or easy the pass was are preloaded and shared by all players.

On PES if a player has 80 for ball control, it allows players to do certian turns faster than on the 79-75 milestone. It allows a tighter more precise touch than on the previous milestone. It allows him more control when trapping, passing and volleying difficult balls than those on lower technique stats.

This is an example of how cutting corners will always come back against you. This reminds me I want to go through every stat and write a definition of what each one allows depending on the rating for PES.

What concerns me with fifa is they have got rid of the best factor fifa had which was freedom! People could score whatever goal they wanted in past fifas, now even more than ever its just about knowing the angles to shoot from regardless of manual or assisted. It upsets me to see the broken, rigid state manual is in on fifa, it's been getting worse every year and something needs to change.
 
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klashman69 said:
I been playing fifa 12 as its a cheap fun football game brought for the benefit of everyone here. It's weird going back to it since it's actually a lot better than fifa 14. Fifa 14 is far more refined and far less loose and erratic in terms of tackling for one but wow, I can't understand why 14 game lacks so much freedom compared to fifa 12.

This must be because the only way for the first touch and inertia gimmicks to work is to screw up every players movement regardless of stats. As discovered by angus and many others over the years fifas current stats are calculated in percentages, there are no milestones like pes has for each attribute unlocking something new, pace and strength are the only real differences while everything else is subejct to a percentage chance with the added effect of the sweetspot location on the pitch and the inbuilt momentum system.

Here is an example:

If a player has 80 for ball control on fifa, it don't matter where he is on the pitch or what type of pass it is, he has an 80% chance of a good first touch. All the types of first touches are available to the player, the key factors are if the player is in a sweetspot or not. Depending on the momentum ingame fifa generates a good oppotunity or bad oppotunity. All the types of touch animations depending on how difficault or easy the pass was are preloaded and shared by all players.

On PES if a player has 80 for ball control, it allows players to do certian turns faster than on the 79-75 milestone. It allows a tighter more precise touch than on the previous milestone. It allows him more control when trapping, passing and volleying difficult balls than those on lower technique stats.

This is an example of how cutting corners will always come back against you. This reminds me I want to go through every stat and write a definition of what each one allows depending on the rating for PES.

What concerns me with fifa is they have got rid of the best factor fifa had which was freedom! People could score whatever goal they wanted in past fifas, now even more than ever its just about knowing the angles to shoot from regardless of manual or assisted. It upsets me to see the broken, rigid state manual is in on fifa, it's been getting worse every year and something needs to change.
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With respect to suggest FIFA has no freedom and its about knowing the angles is absolute rubbish..maybe true back in the 90's -early 00's..FIFA is anything but rigid..if you find it easy to score turn up/down the sliders..I thought this was meant to be a PES forum but the majority are hell bent on slagging fifa off and praising the new PES
 
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Yeah, its a copy and paste job for the past 3 years, not falling for any of this hype at all, and if they do get the game right, they have to at the very least give us a deep master league this season, don't wanna year the BS next year excuse cause our main aim was gameplay, we are in the year 2014 FFS.
 
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hitmanuk said:
With respect to suggest FIFA has no freedom and its about knowing the angles is absolute rubbish..maybe true back in the 90's -early 00's..FIFA is anything but rigid..if you find it easy to score turn up/down the sliders..
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You answered my point here really. I've played 100's of people on FIFA 14 and tried a variety of different sliders. Sliders is not the answer, sliders If you factor in the percentage system FIFA runs on simply changes the base gameplay for one style to another, giving the illusion to you of more freedom, it's just changing the game from one rigid structure to another. This explains why people in slider threads always change the gameplay constantly week in week out, this is not the way forward, the way forward is a good balance which allows all types of tactics and footballing styles and cultures to exist but this takes a long time and hard work, why i spoke of my feelings on FIFA is because i see that PES has tried to do this which FIFA isn't interested in this aspect and why.

What sliders should do is change the styles of football through the ages, so Football before the tackling laws of 2007 and era's with more heavier balls to represent past eras of football (1970's) (1980-1992) (1993-2005). Sliders should be made to create more extreme strange styles of football, the base should be realism.

No matter which slider settings you use, many people such as myself comment on when goals are scored the keepers are preloaded to hesitate and miss the shot from certain angles, then you have the scripted 25-35 yard shots from 45 degrees, no matter the player, if you catch the sweetspot right it's a goal, whether it's Messi or Mertersacker who i did score from 35 yards with.

The worst part is again it doesn't matter if it's manual or assisted, I been playing manual since FIFA 08, the best manual for FIFA was 10 and the world cup game and it's got worse since the pro passing came in, again another percentage based system which doesn't work properly.

All games are scripted, all football games are scripted, it needs this because the CPU needs to follow a command for the game to work.

My apologies for the negative talk on FIFA here in this thread, as you see i try to keep my FIFA talk to a minimum. You don't have to worry about me spoiling your enjoyment, you like the game and nothing i say will change that, don't get uncomfortable because someone says something different to you, we all see the game in different ways and want different things.
 
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Re: PES 2015 Discussion Thread

Goal scoring sucked for last 3 pes titles as well. Bad gk ai and rather poor shooting physics ruined it.
At least right stick controls on pes 2014 were something standing out in all of mediocrity this series sank to.
 
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