PC PES 2014 discussion thread

[Jamezinho]

That was an awful comeback.

Yours was an awful statement. If you are trying to claim that you haven't bought a finished game in the last twenty years then I'm not sure I can take you seriously.

Most games have a minor bug or two. Always have done. An unfinished game is something different altogether. I cannot think of many games I've bought down the years that were clearly unfinished. PES2014 is one, Gran Turismo 5 is another.

Obviously, and PES 2014 is playable but buggy so it falls under the same category as every other game released the last one and a half decade. The gaming industry is a result of the gamers habits to be fair. The console generations want quick, shallow games and preferably franchises which is what they get.

But you're trying to claim that every game is buggy these days and that's untrue.

On the other point, I'd argue that it is the developers that want quick shallow franchises as it's an easy cash-cow for them.

 

[NikoLiberty4]

fuck me if konami made cars you end up with two wheels and half an engine when picking it up from the showroom

Well, its first try, Enthusia for PS2, was decent to be honest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Igf-gZnbs

 

[gomito#10]

All software is unfinished just like any piece of art....

 

[ZeroTheHero]

*space conservation*

Well, take Skyrim for example, dragons and giants falling from the sky and a dated (by a decade or so) combat system. It got a relatively small world where you get treated like a hobo by the city guards regardless of your social rank and all thievery gets traced back to you regardless of success or failure during the process.

It is one of the most popular games ever and I could go on with other games fitting the "quick and nasty" genre for the impatient and quality-clueless console gamer of today.

I have not once said I disagree with your complaints, and I know this is a PES forum, but I think it's blatant hypocrisy to whine and moan about Konami as if they're any worse than everybody else, because that's simply not true. Open your eyes a little, please.

This is actually aimed at all the extreme-whiners here, not you imparticular James.

 

[losslesscompression]

If you ask any developer or software programmer they will admit nowadays game / software is not always completely finished when it's released. I think it's not new, even one of Sensible Soccer game was rather unfinished. But they make it up with re-release as a free upgrade, which is equal to today patching and downloadable content.

Saying so, it's not like PES 2014 is broken and unplayable. It can be great with fixes, and i didn't encounter any technical issue so far.

 

[AIR92]

Well, take Skyrim for example, dragons and giants falling from the sky and a dated (by a decade or so) combat system. It got a relatively small world where you get treated like a hobo by the city guards regardless of your social rank and all thievery gets traced back to you regardless of success or failure during the process.

It is one of the most popular games ever and I could go on with other games fitting the "quick and nasty" genre for the impatient and quality-clueless console gamer of today.

I have not once said I disagree with your complaints, and I know this is a PES forum, but I think it's blatant hypocrisy to whine and moan about Konami as if they're any worse than everybody else, because that's simply not true. Open your eyes a little, please.

This is actually aimed at all the extreme-whiners here, not you imparticular James.

Agreed. Skyrim actually has an Unofficial patch made by modders that fixes more bugs than any of the patches bathesda put out.

This brings another matter. Konami should give more support to mod makin. We have so many incredible modders that do modding every single year in order to make the game much better.

 

[Jamezinho]

This brings another matter. Konami should give more support to mod makin. We have so many incredible modders that do modding every single year in order to make the game much better.

Yes, definitely. They could even go as far as providing some tools or guides. It saddens me to see how much work the modders have to put into decrypting the game and writing tools so that they can mod it.

Adding modded content to the game should be easier too. Things like Kitserver and Stadium server shouldn't be necessary.

rFactor 2 is a good example of how mods should be applied to a game. It's simply a case of drag-and-drop the mod file into a 'packages' folder in the rF2 directory, then install the mod through the game launcher.

Cities XL is another game I have heavily modded. That's even simpler. Just drop the mod files into the game's mod folder and that's it.

I think PES could adopt a similar system. Have a stadium folder in the game directory to which you can add as many stadia as you like. Same with kits, balls, boots, etc...

 

[Evil Star]

So I got an offer for one of my players on the last day of the transfer window. I decided to sell him after I put in a bid for a player with a 100% willingness to sign. Next day my player leaves and I can't get my transfer in because the window has closed, so what...the AI teams get an extra day at the end of the transfer window has closed to finalize signings. Konami-Logic.

 

[Evil Heat]

I'd rather they do a proper patch than do the normal fast patch routine that contained so called gameplay improvements that we are not even sure if its placebo or not. Remember that for pes 2013, they had the biggest delay patch from 1.03 to 1.04, and that was the best patch they put out.

So if we gotta wait, we should wait.

Fine I'll wait but can Konami compensate me in any way for releasing an unfinished game in the interim?

 

[niharjhatn]

I didn't think I'd say this, but I think Konami are showing less respect for the PC gamers than EA are. At least EA released a PC demo of their game, and have basically gave the same game to PC and 360/PS3. Whereas Konami have seen fit to not give the PC a demo, and to deny the PC version the ability to add chants in game to many different on pitch events.

Yes, I'm still annoyed at EA for not giving the PC the Ignite engine, but they have a reason - at least in their own heads, however much BS it is - for not doing so. What's Konami's excuse for the lack of a PC demo? For the lack of an ability to add chants in game like you can with the console version? EA haven't given us the same game as the PS4, but Konami have not even given us the same game as the 360/PS3 version!

You've missed the boat this year, Konami. The world is full of PC gamers pissed off at EA for not giving them the Ignite engine; this was the year to make sure everything about the PC version went without a hitch. Instead, we get no demo, an important feature from the console version is missing, and all reports indicate the console version is better than the PC version on the pitch as well.

Heh, if you've been around PC gaming for a while EA didn't even update their PC product to their console counterparts for several years. They've done a pretty good job last 4 years I think (?) but TBH even crappy ports like what 2k does for NBA 2k is done better. The graphics options for FIFA are ass, they only support limited AA modes natively, and further I am having a lot of issues with alt tabbing in fifa games for a couple of years now.

Yeah, Konami do as bad a job in this department but if you are painting a rosy picture of EA supporting their PC community - its just BS. If anything they have continued to clamp down on the modding potential of their game.

There are lots of big AAA games in much worse shape than PES 2014 at release and even with subsequent patches by devs that do it consistently too. I just find people are incredibly negative with PES and act like its Konami alone that fuck up.

 

[niharjhatn]

Fine I'll wait but can Konami compensate me in any way for releasing an unfinished game in the interim?

Yeah man they'll send you some booze and strippers so you can forget about their game.

Lol "compensation" ROFL. Game devs don't owe you shit. Don't purchase their product if you get so butthurt over stuff like this especially when this IS konami we are talking about.

 

[losslesscompression]

Bohemia Interactive released their most hyped and ambitious title, ArmA III without single player campaign. Worse, it will come through patches in episodic format. The game also has to be one of the worst optimized game ever, that say a lot considering it is centered around the 'master' race.

Witcher 2 at one point was PC exclusive also riddle with bugs and issues, later came good with version 2.0 mega patch.

Realms of Arkania HD got to be one of the worst modern remake.

Not to make excuse, however this is the way the industry is moving. Developers are chasing deadline set by the publisher, plus stuff change a lot during development process. Some has to be taken out, some has to be replaced, some will be implemented later, i don't ever recall any game that 100% fulfill early promise from initial preview.

Actually i don't like posting anything like this, it makes as if PES 2014 is super horrible, broken and unplayable while the reality it isn't that bad.

 

[Evil Heat]

Yeah man they'll send you some booze and strippers so you can forget about their game.

Lol "compensation" ROFL. Game devs don't owe you shit. Don't purchase their product if you get so butthurt over stuff like this especially when this IS konami we are talking about.

Maybe your right, game devs don't owe me shit for all the years I've given them my money. In that case in the future I'll save my money and not "buy" the game any more.

 

[Xav1]

Doctor, PES14 is brilliant in terms of gameplay. ONLY complaints are gks and suspect back 4 at times. IT DESTROYS fifa IN TERMS of gameplay alone, however. I guess, graphics-wise as well. In terms of the MEAT of the game, it is bare. For this reason, I have PES14 for offline use, and FIFA14 for online(which is horrible, but still more reliable than PES)

 

[niharjhatn]

Maybe your right, game devs don't owe me shit for all the years I've given them my money. In that case in the future I'll save my money and not "buy" the game any more.

Dude, I get why you're pissed. I'm frustrated too - I definitely think Konami didn't polish the game enough. But the core is solid. I was primarily concerned about getting a non-functional game but even the most voracious Konami critics can't deny that the core of pes 2014 is pretty damn good. A lot of ironing out is required... but I think the REAL issue I have is that a lot of people are just being incredible negative without really attacking the actual problem - and thats the current sports gaming model is tripe.

The current model of yearly releases DOES NOT work. I mean, the guys at Konami were probably working on PES 2015 at the same time as PES 2014 was being released. And yet people expect them to have a near-flawless product this year AND innovate next year. That's why you could be understandably frustrated with the incomplete feeling you get from PES 2014.

What we really need is a game dev that has balls to say - you know what, lets just release a small update to the game next year charged as DLC (rosters, kits, maybe a bit of commentary) and then release a full game WHEN ITS READY down the track.

Unfortunately, the economics of the situation comes into play - it probably makes more sense from a $$$ perspective to release a full product no matter how much of a 'DLC' update it actually ends up being.

 

[ono5985]

I may end up getting fifa lol

Haha

I played Fifa last night at my mates. Granted, it was me vs him so i didn't see what the computer AI was like, but the game was ok. Basically, when i pressed shoot, the player shot. There was no 2 second delay. The gameplay isn't as deep as PES, but basically the controls work.

PES is like trying to turn a channel over when the batteries in the remote are dying. Fifa is like turning the channel over with a fresh set of Duracells.

 

[niharjhatn]

Fire patch was released on their facebook page. They are asking people not to share it themselves and to like their page to get the download link.

I've got it running atm. High quality kits as expected. Recommend you give it a whirl if you're interested in it at all.

 

[KOP_007]

Infuriated with the online now. Really makes me want to quit.

Went from 18th in the world to 25th...in the space of 2 minutes, without playing a game.

Why? Because when you fail to connect at the beginning of the game, it counts against you (and sometimes for you).

My courtesy rating has now been downgraded to 'B' which means I'm forced to play people in the same situation as me...or people who quit when they're getting beat by more than 3-0.

RIDICULOUS. NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE this Konami.

I've only lost 4 games in total...but my stats now say 13. What a joke.

Where do I complain?

 

[Simcut]

Infuriated with the online now. Really makes me want to quit.

Went from 18th in the world to 25th...in the space of 2 minutes, without playing a game.

Why? Because when you fail to connect at the beginning of the game, it counts against you (and sometimes for you).

My courtesy rating has now been downgraded to 'B' which means I'm forced to play people in the same situation as me...or people who quit when they're getting beat by more than 3-0.

RIDICULOUS. NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE this Konami.

I've only lost 4 games in total...but my stats now say 13. What a joke.

Where do I complain?

So much for Kei Masuda's promised improvements for the online experience

 

[KOP_007]

Really enraging as I'm enjoying playing online a lot...when it works. Plus, I seem to be pretty good at the game too, so it's annoying that I'm suffering this rubbish. How the Hell can they count a game on your stats that hasn't even gone to the formation screen?

 

[Jamezinho]

Fire patch was released on their facebook page. They are asking people not to share it themselves and to like their page to get the download link.

I've got it running atm. High quality kits as expected. Recommend you give it a whirl if you're interested in it at all.

I don't use Facebook so won't be downloading their patch.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I may end up getting fifa lol

i would get it on ps4

 

[pepper63]

I don't use Facebook so won't be downloading their patch.

It's on modding way forum.

 

[The Doctor76]

i would get it on ps4

If you're planning on a PS4 then yeah, wait for that version - no need to line EA's pockets twice.

Doctor, PES14 is brilliant in terms of gameplay. ONLY complaints are gks and suspect back 4 at times. IT DESTROYS fifa IN TERMS of gameplay alone, however. I guess, graphics-wise as well. In terms of the MEAT of the game, it is bare. For this reason, I have PES14 for offline use, and FIFA14 for online(which is horrible, but still more reliable than PES)

That's a big part of the problem for me - the game has no meat on it. ML is dated and unrealistic compared to Fifa's CM. Either way, they haven't seen fit to provide the PC version with a demo, so for me no demo no sale. My days of buying a game without trying a demo first ended a long time ago - I broke that trend by buying Rome 2 because I'd waited for it almost ten years - that was a mistake.

As said before, I'm still annoyed about the lack of Ignite on PC for Fifa, but at least EA provided the ability to try their game before buying it, which is a lot more than can be said for Konami, who have lost a lot of my respect because of the way they've conducted themselves this year.

 

[Jamezinho]

It's on modding way forum.

 

[info0]

If you're planning on a PS4 then yeah, wait for that version - no need to line EA's pockets twice.



That's a big part of the problem for me - the game has no meat on it. ML is dated and unrealistic compared to Fifa's CM. Either way, they haven't seen fit to provide the PC version with a demo, so for me no demo no sale. My days of buying a game without trying a demo first ended a long time ago - I broke that trend by buying Rome 2 because I'd waited for it almost ten years - that was a mistake.

As said before, I'm still annoyed about the lack of Ignite on PC for Fifa, but at least EA provided the ability to try their game before buying it, which is a lot more than can be said for Konami, who have lost a lot of my respect because of the way they've conducted themselves this year.

You lost me, when you said FIFA CM is realistic. Sorry, but no. Just no.

And you're blaming KONAMI for no demo, rightly so, but you were never going to give this game a chance in the first place.

You're and always will be FIFA puppy boy. Still remember you from EA Boards .

EDIT:

Difficulties are ALL broken. Far too easy.

 

[Redhat]

I don't know if it's more realistic, but it's certainly more engaging. I started a Be A Pro career and the first thing the manager told me was that he was going to ship me out on loan! Love that. I've declined every offer that's come in, but it's a nice touch (it also makes sense). I like receiving messages, having set goals, etc. It's a bit gimmicky, but it enhances my experience. Can you even go out on loan in BAL? Licenses, variable weather, time of a day and a stadium that is appropriate for the team I'm playing on is going a long way for me at the moment. Switching between PES and FIFA is working out quite well. Scratching different itches. Playing PES after a long session of FIFA makes the latter look archaic in terms of animations and player models.

I'll have to check out the Fire Patch for PES when I get a chance.

 

[The Doctor76]

You lost me, when you said FIFA CM is realistic. Sorry, but no. Just no.

And you're blaming KONAMI for no demo, rightly so, but you were never going to give this game a chance in the first place.

You're and always will be FIFA puppy boy. Still remember you from EA Boards .

EDIT:

Difficulties are ALL broken. Far too easy.

Really?

Funny that I played PES from PES 4 to PES 2008; y'know when it actually was the superior game?

And CM is damn sight more realistic than ML will ever be - that is an irrefutable fact. Sure, it has its fair share of bugs, it has too many takeovers, and too many weird transfers but the football world it depicts is realistic:

It has a proper transfer window where you don't have to rush in the last few days to get players in.

It has a deep transfer market populated with players from all over the world instead of limited to six leagues and 'rest of the World' section.

It has proper negotiations; with proper money.

It now has the ability to actually go out and do your own scouting of players instead of being spoon fed the information, along with the ability to monitor players throughout the season so you can plan properly for Transfer Day (does PES even have a 'Deadline Day'?

It has football leagues that feature proper promotion/relegation that doesn't result in your league being invaded by strange European teams you've never heard of. Not to mention proper Cup competitions.

What's not realistic about that? I could go on, but I think that's enough to be getting on with. What has this year's PES got? Play game > buy players... and that's about it. If Konami made a real effort to flesh out ML (or get rid of it entirely, and replace it with something like Fifa's CM) then I'd take a real interest in it. As it is, it sounds more barebones than ever and God knows it was barebones enough when I last played it.

And don't presume to be able to read my mind - I was fully prepared to give this game a chance - but no way am I going to buy a game without trying a demo first. That's my policy, which I foolishly broke for Rome 2. Not happening again.

Now I guess you're going to say that ML is more realistic than CM... be my guest! We both know it's BS.

Have you actually bought Fifa 14 then, to know that 'difficulties are all broken'? A mate bought his console round and we had a good session on it - doesn't seem broken to me...

I don't know if it's more realistic, but it's certainly more engaging. I started a Be A Pro career and the first thing the manager told me was that he was going to ship me out on loan! Love that. I've declined every offer that's come in, but it's a nice touch (it also makes sense). I like receiving messages, having set goals, etc. It's a bit gimmicky, but it enhances my experience

Precisely...

 

[info0]

Really?

Funny that I played PES from PES 4 to PES 2008; y'know when it actually was the superior game?

And CM is damn sight more realistic than ML will ever be - that is an irrefutable fact. Sure, it has its fair share of bugs, it has too many takeovers, and too many weird transfers but the football world it depicts is realistic:

It has a proper transfer window where you don't have to rush in the last few days to get players in.

It has a deep transfer market populated with players from all over the world instead of limited to six leagues and 'rest of the World' section.

It has proper negotiations; with proper money.

It now has the ability to actually go out and do your own scouting of players instead of being spoon fed the information, along with the ability to monitor players throughout the season so you can plan properly for Transfer Day (does PES even have a 'Deadline Day'?

It has football leagues that feature proper promotion/relegation that doesn't result in your league being invaded by strange European teams you've never heard of. Not to mention proper Cup competitions.

What's not realistic about that? I could go on, but I think that's enough to be getting on with. What has this year's PES got? Play game > buy players... and that's about it. If Konami made a real effort to flesh out ML (or get rid of it entirely, and replace it with something like Fifa's CM) then I'd take a real interest in it. As it is, it sounds more barebones than ever and God knows it was barebones enough when I last played it.

And don't presume to be able to read my mind - I was fully prepared to give this game a chance - but no way am I going to buy a game without trying a demo first. That's my policy, which I foolishly broke for Rome 2. Not happening again.

Now I guess you're going to say that ML is more realistic than CM... be my guest! We both know it's BS.

Have you actually bought Fifa 14 then, to know that 'difficulties are all broken'? A mate bought his console round and we had a good session on it - doesn't seem broken to me...



Precisely...

First thing, FIFA has, licenses.

That makes it "realistic" for most. Lack of D2 leagues in PES is a problem though. I am glad they added SA leagues though. Makes nice change .

It depends what you seek in football game like PES/FIFA.

I can't stand Career Mode on FIFA how it is now. Too much hassle, too boring after a period of time and very predictable to guess transfers to be made by AI. It doesn't matter if you start career mode for 100 time. The transfers by AI will remain similar/same.

FIFA is based for Online play. That's where it shines most imho. Not vs AI.

I would love PES to have similar Manager mode as FIFA did prior to FIFA 12.

Would be nice starting point .

 

[The Doctor76]

First thing, FIFA has, licenses.

That makes it "realistic" for most. Lack of D2 leagues in PES is a problem though. I am glad they added SA leagues though. Makes nice change .

It depends what you seek in football game like PES/FIFA.

I can't stand Career Mode on FIFA how it is now. Too much hassle, too boring after a period of time and very predictable to guess transfers to be made by AI. It doesn't matter if you start career mode for 100 time. The transfers by AI will remain similar/same.

FIFA is based for Online play. That's where it shines most imho. Not vs AI.

I would love PES to have similar Manager mode as FIFA did prior to FIFA 12.

Would be nice starting point .

So have you played Fifa 14 CM then? You didn't answer my question - have you bought the game and played CM for hours that you know so much about it?

As for the SA leagues in PES, that's great if you're interested in those leagues. I'm more interested in the Conference to be honest.

Oh - and even if Fifa was entirely unlicensed, CM would still be more realistic and more engaging than ML. People go on about licences too much. Kids put licences above everything else - I don't. Content on the other hand is very important and Fifa thrashes PES in that aspect and until Konami make an effort to increase PES' content, that will always be the case.