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mdma11 said:
Of course not but I am just saying people are not going bananas for no reason, right?
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Yes they are, they are worry about things they don't need to.

You produce a video showing how using a certain function will score you a goal or beat a defender.

Yet people go apeshit over 'Defensive AI' and 'Keeper animations'.

That is just negativity for no reason. Focusing too much on one aspect and forgetting not every video is produce specifically to appease you own desire.
 
klashman69 said:
Yes they are, they are worry about things they don't need to.

You produce a video showing how using a certain function will score you a goal or beat a defender.

Yet people go apeshit over 'Defensive AI' and 'Keeper animations'.

That is just negativity for no reason. Focusing too much on one aspect and forgetting not every video is produce specifically to appease you own desire.
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That's not true. People are going mad because the fluidity we saw before is just not there. The heart feature is the least of people's concerns.
 
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Xav1 said:
Mustafa Şahin ‏@mustafasahinfb 3h

@Adam_Bhatti @WENB_ES :S bad news. kit ripple improve ?
(first trailer; good ripple/end trailer; very bad ripple.)Do you understand ?


Adam Bhatti ‏@Adam_Bhatti 3h

@mustafasahinfb @WENB_ES maybe stop try to look at those things in a trailer showing heart?



Trixotoulis ‏@trixotoulis 3h

@Adam_Bhatti Do you want (us) to close our eyes and feel the Heart only? This is so romantic:)


LEGENDARY BANTER!!
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Tbh the question he's asked is pretty fucking stupid :LOL: I know I wouldn't have answered as kindly as he did. Some people ffs ...
 
mdma11 said:
That's not true. People are going mad because the fluidity we saw before is just not there. The heart feature is the least of people's concerns.
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There you go.

The video was never about showing fluidity, only about showing how exactly heart works.

If Konami showed fluidity here there is no reason why we will not see it again.

YouTube - PES 2014 - E3 2013 Stage Demo
 
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zeemeister said:
I am not defending anything.

He is lying as are you and I will be willing to post a video based on PES2013 on the PS3 to prove my point. very little wrong with shooting and heading in PES2013

You kids these days expect pes to be like PES 6 where you could run down the wing press O and boom header Adriano.

In PES 2013 (with all assists off) you have to pick your team mate out and place your headers as well as time the jump.

On the shooting side you can hit low hard drivers, you an lob deep lob low and nutmeg the keeper IF YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH

If you cant handle it go play FIFA but dont moan or the game to be toned down to accommodate for your needs. Its catering for the casual gamers that has caused half the problems we have with PES
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spot on mate.
 
I'll tell you what's the thing with the heart video.

The first goal looks odd, yes but the second goal looks amazing.

Notice why? yeap, the camera. The first goal's camera is fixed to the goal scorer. Movements always look robotic when the camera is fixed to a player, here being the proof:

YouTube - The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979

So, no need to panic at all. And you can listen to some good music while you chill. You're welcome.
 
klashman69 said:
They sit back because they are set to use long ball usually.

I've modified most teams so they all have different tactics, I tend to usually have more possession, not by 60%, depends on the opponent.
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That's another thing that hopefully will be changed for the better in PES 2014: In PES 2013 most teams have generic tactical setups that are very similar to each other. This makes playing against the CPU boring.

I hope that for PES 2014 Konami makes the effort to put some right-feeling and varied tactical setups for the teams. Sure we can do it for ourselves but it takes a lot of time and effort, so that most people won't bother with it...
 
henrys hand said:
That's another thing that hopefully will be changed for the better in PES 2014: In PES 2013 most teams have generic tactical setups that are very similar to each other. This makes playing against the CPU boring.

I hope that for PES 2014 Konami makes the effort to put some right-feeling and varied tactical setups for the teams. Sure we can do it for ourselves but it takes a lot of time and effort, so that most people won't bother with it...
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The best thing i expect in the future would be for konami to create some generic league styles, maybe one for Barca and that is really about it.

There is no point relying on Konami to sit there and study each and every team and get their tactics spot on, considering the Manager merry go round and crazy transfer market we see.

They cant get one team right, next week the manager is sacked and they start playing differently. Then you get managers like David Moyes where one week Everton in the past would play counter attack, then hoof ball, then possession play, depending on the opposition.

Just like kits, this is a community effort.
 
klashman69 said:
There you go.

The video was never about showing fluidity, only about showing how exactly heart works.

If Konami showed fluidity here there is no reason why we will not see it again.

YouTube - PES 2014 - E3 2013 Stage Demo
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Wrong attitude and very naive: Every little bit of footage of a game being presented always gets viewed and judged as a whole. Noone (ok, let's be more exact: nearly noone) is watching these and says to himself: "Ok, this is meant to show a specific feature so let's just ignore the bad graphics, the bad AI..."

No, it's PES 2014's footage and no matter the purpose or context, it better be really good footage. Anything else should better be not shown at all.


What's the purpose of demonstrating for example shooting if the goalkeeper shown is totally retarded?


If it's not possible to demonstrate these features with good AI, with good and realistic goalkeeping, and with good graphics/animations... then don't bother to demonstrate these features, simple as that.
 
klashman69 said:
The best thing i expect in the future would be for konami to create some generic league styles, maybe one for Barca and that is really about it.

There is no point relying on Konami to sit there and study each and every team and get their tactics spot on, considering the Manager merry go round and crazy transfer market we see.

They cant get one team right, next week the manager is sacked and they start playing differently. Then you get managers like David Moyes where one week Everton in the past would play counter attack, then hoof ball, then possession play, depending on the opposition.

Just like kits, this is a community effort.
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You are right, it is too dynamic to implement them spot on. But I don't expect Konami to get it always spot on, I just expect some effort to get some varied tactical setups for the teams as a start. Even if it is the tactical setups of the teams from last year.
At least the effort and variety will make playing against the CPU interesting out of the box, compared to the generic and very samey setups that are implemented in PES 2013.
 
goalgerd said:
maybe thats next gen:COAT:
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Difference between E3 and the heart video.

- E3 shows the gameplay only, an entire half.
- the passing is set to 0 assist manual at E3.
- lighting and graphic quality was turned up to the max.
- The purpose was to show off the sexy stuff, graphics, inertia and animations.

- Heart video showed little bits of gameplay. It was more Cutscenes than gameplay. Infact some of the gameplay seemed to almost be scripted outcomes.
- The passing was probably on 3 bars, they just wanted to score a goal.
- The Lighting was crap, nowhere near the E3 levels.
- The Purpose was simply to show people how the mechanics of Heart works.

I think Konami just couldn't be fucked to render all the nice beautiful visuals, animations etc... for an instruction video. This is just bad marketing, nothing more, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water!
 
klashman69 said:
Difference between E3 and the heart video.

- E3 shows the gameplay only, an entire half.
- the passing is set to 0 assist manual at E3.
- lighting and graphic quality was turned up to the max.
- The purpose was to show off the sexy stuff, graphics, inertia and animations.

- Heart video showed little bits of gameplay. It was more Cutscenes than gameplay. Infact some of the gameplay seemed to almost be scripted outcomes.
- The passing was probably on 3 bars, they just wanted to score a goal.
- The Lighting was crap, nowhere near the E3 levels.
- The Purpose was simply to show people how the mechanics of Heart works.

I think Konami just couldn't be fucked to render all the nice beautiful visuals, animations etc... for an instruction video. This is just bad marketing, nothing more, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water!
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It's kind of odd completing the cycle of maxing out the hardware on the PS2 to maxing out the limitations of current gen. Sadly, not being a student anymore means I cannot put a 20 hours a day into things like MLO but I was always somewhat hopeful that they would conjure something special. I played 2011 for quite a bit but I couldn't really get into the two after that.

Without being overly harsh you'd hope that the preview vids that they are releasing now would at least show polished shooting animations, even if it isn't the main subject of the vid. If you've been away from the series for a bit you want to see something that looks like an obvious improvement, something that looks eerily lifelike. It doesn't matter how nice the grass is or how detailed the faces are, an unnatural shot followed by floaty ball physics somewhat ruins the illusion.

But yes, I will play the demo and give it a chance - But, for people that play the odd game here and there, this doesn't seem to offer a great deal more than the last few iterations. I assume that this is endemic amongst sports games but for casual folk I know what they will plump for when faced with buying either GTA or PES.
 
Badgerman said:
It's kind of odd completing the cycle of maxing out the hardware on the PS2 to maxing out the limitations of current gen. Sadly, not being a student anymore means I cannot put a 20 hours a day into things like MLO but I was always somewhat hopeful that they would conjure something special. I played 2011 for quite a bit but I couldn't really get into the two after that.

Without being overly harsh you'd hope that the preview vids that they are releasing now would at least show polished shooting animations, even if it isn't the main subject of the vid. If you've been away from the series for a bit you want to see something that looks like an obvious improvement, something that looks eerily lifelike. It doesn't matter how nice the grass is or how detailed the faces are, an unnatural shot followed by floaty ball physics somewhat ruins the illusion.

But yes, I will play the demo and give it a chance - But, for people that play the odd game here and there, this doesn't seem to offer a great deal more than the last few iterations. I assume that this is endemic amongst sports games but for casual folk I know what they will plump for when faced with buying either GTA or PES.
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My God, this thread has gone so low that is even ressurecting the deads!
 
Badgerman said:
It's kind of odd completing the cycle of maxing out the hardware on the PS2 to maxing out the limitations of current gen. Sadly, not being a student anymore means I cannot put a 20 hours a day into things like MLO but I was always somewhat hopeful that they would conjure something special. I played 2011 for quite a bit but I couldn't really get into the two after that.

Without being overly harsh you'd hope that the preview vids that they are releasing now would at least show polished shooting animations, even if it isn't the main subject of the vid. If you've been away from the series for a bit you want to see something that looks like an obvious improvement, something that looks eerily lifelike. It doesn't matter how nice the grass is or how detailed the faces are, an unnatural shot followed by floaty ball physics somewhat ruins the illusion.

But yes, I will play the demo and give it a chance - But, for people that play the odd game here and there, this doesn't seem to offer a great deal more than the last few iterations. I assume that this is endemic amongst sports games but for casual folk I know what they will plump for when faced with buying either GTA or PES.
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:WORSHIP:

This thread is now complete.

Good to see you.
 
Hell yes let's get on it.

I need to discredit Fifa 10 through 14 in the next 10 minutes before bed time whilst extolling the virtues of the infallible PES series.
 
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Badgerman said:
Hell yes let's get on it.

I need to discredit Fifa 10 through 14 in the next 10 minutes before bed time whilst extolling the virtues of the infallible PES series.
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What do you think of this here free-kick dotted line aim assist? As a master of the FK, it must go against everything you stand for?
 
Badgerman said:
Hell yes let's get on it.

I need to discredit Fifa 10 through 14 in the next 10 minutes before bed time whilst extolling the virtues of the infallible PES series.
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Welcome back badger, i remember very well the times when you were the only one defending PES while the other were throwing rocks on you because of that... or was it the other way around? :THINK:
 
Mum's doing well mate, lost loads of weight and her and the old man are about to buy a bungalow where she can buy a load of chickens - Hopefully get some cheap eggs out of it.

The dotted line system for free kicks looks the opposite of all that is holy and what you would expect from a simulation. It is a disgrace to the art of sticking one in the top corner with Zico (unaided!) before thrusting your crotch in your mates face (also unaided). However if this feature is in PES then I will make the concession that it is the one true way to take free kicks and I was wrong.

It's nice to be back to convert the heathens back to the one true footballing god. Praise Talos.

Honome said:
Welcome back badger, i remember very well the times when you were the only one defending PES while the other were throwing rocks on you because of that... or was it the other way around? :THINK:
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I made the mistake of presuming that the game would improve in a linear progression. I didn't account for the fact that the PS2 is clearly the best console ever made, so much so that development gets put off for the next gen versions, crippling the series for years to come. It still had it's moments though.
 
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henrys hand said:
Wrong attitude and very naive:
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No, I mean this, this can be serious, when I speak about people being negative for the sake of it. I learn this the hard way this year with the disasters which have happened to my family.

People getting so irate over is just not good enough I'm sorry, this is a game, don't go getting angry and depressed over a game trailer not being to your linking and over analysing things, getting yourself all heated for what?

Excessive negative energy makes you ill.

Every little bit of footage of a game being presented always gets viewed and judged as a whole. Noone (ok, let's be more exact: nearly noone) is watching these and says to himself: "Ok, this is meant to show a specific feature so let's just ignore the bad graphics, the bad AI..."
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Yes I am watching the video and thinking, "this is meant to show a specific feature". You know as well as I do how tough PES is on Top Player or Superstar. Why play a really hard match vs the CPU to show off a 'goal' or a 'tackle' to simply show how a function works.

What even defines a worthwhile goal to put in a trailer considering no defensive AI errors are acceptable?

What a 30 yard screamer, but that is 'unrealistic'

Dribble round 2, 3 players? 'bad defending again'?

A Header? 'bad marking'

You see my point now? Any type of goal Konami could of put there and people could say "Oh the Defensive AI is poor", "Look at the error by the center back",

The Defensive AI is already there in PES 2013, it will not be worse in 2014, so why people worry is the negative energy again!

No, it's PES 2014's footage and no matter the purpose or context, it better be really good footage. Anything else should better be not shown at all.

What's the purpose of demonstrating for example shooting if the goalkeeper shown is totally retarded?

If it's not possible to demonstrate these features with good AI, with good and realistic goalkeeping, and with good graphics/animations... then don't bother to demonstrate these features, simple as that.
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This is your definition of what you want Konami to do, Your in a battle vs Konami and Konami must appease your wishes or its not good enough.

You need to be free enough to understand Konami have 10,000,000 other people to appease, so if you are not appeased, its hardly the end of the world is it? You can say its not good enough for you and get irate but how is that helping you exactly, or anyone Finally this is Konami we are talking about. The PES 2014 trailer at E3 is the best trailer they have ever done, I think it was maybe too good and we expected every trailer to be the same.

Even the PS2 classic games never had any great trailers either, there isn't a very good marketing department. They are rather out of touch with the western expectation in terms of Marketing.

Not everything is going to be shown off like its a Movie as we see from Sky Sports and the Premier league, we have become so accustom to this in the west, anything less than a Movie like trailer is not good enough.

Forgetting the fact.

Its a Trailer!

Why are we getting so worked up in the first place, who on earth will remember the trailer if the gameplay is satisfactory to peoples needs anyway?

Then again we live in a era which the movie trailers are usually better than the feature length movies themselves. Negative energy makes you totally lose sight of what this is. Take this as a metaphor.
 
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Badgerman said:
Mum's doing well mate, lost loads of weight and her and the old man are about to buy a bungalow where she can buy a load of chickens - Hopefully get some cheap eggs out of it.

The dotted line system for free kicks looks the opposite of all that is holy and what you would expect from a simulation. It is a disgrace to the art of sticking one in the top corner with Zico (unaided!) before thrusting your crotch in your mates face (also unaided). However if this feature is in PES then I will make the concession that it is the one true way to take free kicks and I was wrong.

It's nice to be back to convert the heathens back to the one true footballing god. Praise Talos.




I made the mistake of presuming that the game would improve in a linear progression. I didn't account for the fact that the PS2 is clearly the best console ever made, so much so that development gets put off for the next gen versions, crippling the series for years to come. It still had it's moments though.
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:LOL:

Badger has hijacked the thread.
 
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