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I´m not sure about scripting anymore.
In previous versions I really had that feeling that the CPU just doesn´t want me to win.

Now I´m playing the ML and tested a few games.
Specially final games like CL finals, worldcup finals (which was great fun actually) seem to be scripted as my players didn´t really react and I felt like I could do whatever I want, even if I try as hard as I can, I just can´t defend the attacks of the CPU.

When I lost that final games, I shut it down and played them games again.
The game was different, means, I could beat the CPU or got draws at least which led to penalty shootouts.
So I´m not sure if scripting is really present.
I focussed very hard, only set up players with good heart motivation AND I´ve used man marking on strikers and offensive players on the wings.
It still was a challenge but the game didn´t feel like NO MATTER HOW I PLAY, I`LL LOSE.
I replayed those matches and the scores where always different.

I play on top player and don´t use a gameplay patch.
 
Lostlam said:
Not sure if you played the game pre patch, but that was arcade IMO. R1 plus a through ball and bob's your uncle. You now have to build up play, as the previous method isn't possible anymore.
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I said that point is the only thing they'd actually fixed. For the rest, Konami has ruined the game.
 
First of all, i really like the game. Iliked it pre-patch (last one) and love it afterwards.
But i do have the feeling that there is some scripting (well, a lot of it sometimes).

I have been playing the new game mode (world challenge ?). South-American qualifiers with Chili on top player. Full manual.

I'm doing very well with winsagainst the big teams, but i was twice totally outplayed by Bolivia. They had 65 %of possession. First match, somehow i managed a draw (i had been 0-2 up totally against the game, but Bolivia scored two very late goals).
Second match Bolivia starts (home team) and they score with their first ataack. After 15 minutes i was 3-0 down and scarcely touched the ball. I stopped the game and restarted (yes, i cheat when i smell something wrong, at that moment "cheating" becomes "testing" ). I played that game 7 or 8 times and each every time i was totally outplayd by Bolivia no matter what tactics i used. In the end i managed to get a 1-1 draw with more luck than wisdom or ability...

I don't mind loosing games. I don't mind loosing gamens against weaker opponents. I don't even mind loosing a game against a lesser team where i am totally outplayed (something that isn't realistic). What i do mind is that the CPU cheats. My players couldn't pass the ball for 2 metres...passes went totally astray, ball controls failed (and that while the GK was fantastic, not one single GK error).

When i loose i want to loose because of my mistakes, not because the CP takes over and cheats...

It doesn't happen all the time, but once in a while..but even that is too much for me. Other than that i'm enjoying this immensily.I had given up on PES after2012 and 2013, but this is good. Oh and it is better than PES5, much better.I replayed that game on my sons' PS2 and PES2014 is much, much better (but Konami did strip down the game too much, this game needs to be customizable, more feautures, more game modes, etc...).
 
chiefrocka4real said:
I´m not sure about scripting anymore.
In previous versions I really had that feeling that the CPU just doesn´t want me to win.

Now I´m playing the ML and tested a few games.
Specially final games like CL finals, worldcup finals (which was great fun actually) seem to be scripted as my players didn´t really react and I felt like I could do whatever I want, even if I try as hard as I can, I just can´t defend the attacks of the CPU.

When I lost that final games, I shut it down and played them games again.
The game was different, means, I could beat the CPU or got draws at least which led to penalty shootouts.
So I´m not sure if scripting is really present.
I focussed very hard, only set up players with good heart motivation AND I´ve used man marking on strikers and offensive players on the wings.
It still was a challenge but the game didn´t feel like NO MATTER HOW I PLAY, I`LL LOSE.
I replayed those matches and the scores where always different.

I play on top player and don´t use a gameplay patch.
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As I said earlier and was laughed at the CPU decides if you win or lose. PES has always had it.

It doesn't mean that it's scripted for you to lose all the time you will notice if you restart games it will eventually let you win and it's not down to your skill because you will probably play the same way.

Some people actually believe that they have improved when this happens lol.

I love the game with this patch and have learned to accept the scripting. . . .you can still play good football. I dropped down from Superstar to Top player and it was the same as the last patch on Superstar. So I went back up to Superstar and am enjoying it immensely.
 
gerd said:
First of all, i really like the game. Iliked it pre-patch (last one) and love it afterwards.
But i do have the feeling that there is some scripting (well, a lot of it sometimes).

I have been playing the new game mode (world challenge ?). South-American qualifiers with Chili on top player. Full manual.

I'm doing very well with winsagainst the big teams, but i was twice totally outplayed by Bolivia. They had 65 %of possession. First match, somehow i managed a draw (i had been 0-2 up totally against the game, but Bolivia scored two very late goals).
Second match Bolivia starts (home team) and they score with their first ataack. After 15 minutes i was 3-0 down and scarcely touched the ball. I stopped the game and restarted (yes, i cheat when i smell something wrong, at that moment "cheating" becomes "testing" ). I played that game 7 or 8 times and each every time i was totally outplayd by Bolivia no matter what tactics i used. In the end i managed to get a 1-1 draw with more luck than wisdom or ability...

I don't mind loosing games. I don't mind loosing gamens against weaker opponents. I don't even mind loosing a game against a lesser team where i am totally outplayed (something that isn't realistic). What i do mind is that the CPU cheats. My players couldn't pass the ball for 2 metres...passes went totally astray, ball controls failed (and that while the GK was fantastic, not one single GK error).

When i loose i want to loose because of my mistakes, not because the CP takes over and cheats...

It doesn't happen all the time, but once in a while..but even that is too much for me. Other than that i'm enjoying this immensily.I had given up on PES after2012 and 2013, but this is good. Oh and it is better than PES5, much better.I replayed that game on my sons' PS2 and PES2014 is much, much better (but Konami did strip down the game too much, this game needs to be customizable, more feautures, more game modes, etc...).
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at least I'm not alone in my scripting conspiracy lol.
 
geeg said:
I said that point is the only thing they'd actually fixed. For the rest, Konami has ruined the game.
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Kl mate. Not sure what area of the game they have made worse, as it feels like a different game post patch. Having said that, it is far from perfect to say the least.
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
No need for a conspiracy, modders showed for years now what is going on, it's a matter of fact.
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Thought so, when I played Pro Evo years ago with a friend it was even there when we played against each other, he would win a couple of games easily then I would win the next couple easily which made no sense as we were using the same teams same tactics and players!
 
Deco said:
Thought so, when I played Pro Evo years ago with a friend it was even there when we played against each other, he would win a couple of games easily then I would win the next couple easily which made no sense as we were using the same teams same tactics and players!
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That’s just because every game is different, and player's form play a major part.
As for scripting, FGS it's a video game; everyone has a certain degree of scripting. Your are playing against the CPU, not a human. There is some much more that you CAN do, that they CAN’T do. I still didn't play the new patch (PC gamer), so I cannot speak for that, but the scripting in PES 2013 was bigger than in 2014. And by that I mean, on the corner kicks and free kicks there were times and you almost know the CPU will score. Other than that, the CPU cheats in some games, but that does not mean you cannot win. It means that your players normally look a bit tired, or disinterested (not going for every ball like they normal would) or the CPU are extra motivated, it looks like they get a stats' boost, etc. You can still win those games. Restarting the game shows a different result in most cases (smaller loss, draw or win). You just have to adapt your tactics and style of play to that particular game. I know it's frustrating, but I comprehend and even like it, simple because it's Konami's ways of mimic those real life games in which your team are struggling, the players are "not there" mentally, which every team (just watch Chelsea this year) passes through a course of season.
 
Optik said:
Oh, did they find a giant script or was it just that CPU ratings were boosted on higher difficulties? Because the latter is completely unremarkable.
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We're not talking about regular "scripts" or ratings here, not at all, through all the years reading in several threads this topic is old and boring for me, anyone who is interested just go through the yair gameplay threads and have a laugh.
 
that scripting u guys say i call it difficulty and i love how difficult its the game now. its the same as pre-patch only difference is that instead of 1 out of 5 games being really difficult now almost every match is hard (on superstar)
 
Yeah not sure what i am playing but on top player difficulty the AI attacks and if I defend badly or lose possession in dangerous areas or not close down shots I get punished nothing more nothing less

I agree there is a level of scripting but there is always going to be in any game.

Konami just cannot please everyone
 
andy18cruz said:
That’s just because every game is different, and player's form play a major part.
As for scripting, FGS it's a video game; everyone has a certain degree of scripting. Your are playing against the CPU, not a human. There is some much more that you CAN do, that they CAN’T do. I still didn't play the new patch (PC gamer), so I cannot speak for that, but the scripting in PES 2013 was bigger than in 2014. And by that I mean, on the corner kicks and free kicks there were times and you almost know the CPU will score. Other than that, the CPU cheats in some games, but that does not mean you cannot win. It means that your players normally look a bit tired, or disinterested (not going for every ball like they normal would) or the CPU are extra motivated, it looks like they get a stats' boost, etc. You can still win those games. Restarting the game shows a different result in most cases (smaller loss, draw or win). You just have to adapt your tactics and style of play to that particular game. I know it's frustrating, but I comprehend and even like it, simple because it's Konami's ways of mimic those real life games in which your team are struggling, the players are "not there" mentally, which every team (just watch Chelsea this year) passes through a course of season.
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I think you're taking me up wrong on this. If you look at what I said a few posts back I actually said that there has to be scripting and it's not a human!

I don't have a problem with it I enjoy the game so I don't know what the lecture is for.

I'm not one of those people that says I have to win or I'm bringing my ball home.

I wouldn't stop the game and restart because of scripting either. . .. .I just laugh at the way it's done and get on with it.
You can tell when it's about to happen and believe me you cannot win if the CPU dictates that it cannot be.

The same sort of scripting in it is very similar but not as blatant as PES 2013. The point I was making about playing a friend years ago was that we would set both sides to all green form arrows but the CPU would favour one of us and then switch it a few games later.

It's not going to make me throw my controller out the window and go into a huff and slag the game off. Relax I'm not complaining, just an observation.
 
Honome, are you still playing full manual controls? I just purchased a EU version of PES14 last week, expecting it to arrive soon. Let's play some games together :)
 
Deco said:
I think you're taking me up wrong on this. If you look at what I said a few posts back I actually said that there has to be scripting and it's not a human!

I don't have a problem with it I enjoy the game so I don't know what the lecture is for.

I'm not one of those people that says I have to win or I'm bringing my ball home.

I wouldn't stop the game and restart because of scripting either. . .. .I just laugh at the way it's done and get on with it.
You can tell when it's about to happen and believe me you cannot win if the CPU dictates that it cannot be.

The same sort of scripting in it is very similar but not as blatant as PES 2013. The point I was making about playing a friend years ago was that we would set both sides to all green form arrows but the CPU would favour one of us and then switch it a few games later.

It's not going to make me throw my controller out the window and go into a huff and slag the game off. Relax I'm not complaining, just an observation.
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Sorry man, I mistake you for another user. That scripting talk gets on my nerves a little bit.
Compared to Fifa (last time I play was 2011 or 2012), PES barely got any scripting (for me it seems, that they decide if my shot goes in or not, and the crosses, just hit the button and IA will decide where will goes). You have tones of freedom, both tacitly and individually. Ex: People that complain that the GK's defend everything, some games I cannot score, etc. try using the advance shooting; the ball goes exactly on the area that you want. For me personally there's always a way. You may not get it, but that's always a way to beat the CPU on these games.
PS: this may be different after I play the new patch.
 
andy18cruz said:
Sorry man, I mistake you for another user. That scripting talk gets on my nerves a little bit.
Compared to Fifa (last time I play was 2011 or 2012), PES barely got any scripting (for me it seems, that they decide if my shot goes in or not, and the crosses, just hit the button and IA will decide where will goes). You have tones of freedom, both tacitly and individually. Ex: People that complain that the GK's defend everything, some games I cannot score, etc. try using the advance shooting; the ball goes exactly on the area that you want. For me personally there's always a way. You may not get it, but that's always a way to beat the CPU on these games.
PS: this may be different after I play the new patch.
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No probs buddy I apologise also, I think it WAS me you were talking about but it was just for peoples opinions after the new patch, I agree it is boring talking about it but I was just throwing in my 2 cents worth lately if somebody else brought it up. I've said all there is to say on it.

I found the advance shooting terrible on the new patch, decided to try it out and every time I had a 6 yard tap in it would either hit the crossbar or go over and that was with the minimum pressure on the shoot button.

Try it yourself if you get the new patch. I'm very positive about this patch and enjoying it very much on Superstar, I'm getting beaten a lot but improving. . . . . .that means instead of getting beaten 5-0 I have it down to 3-0 lol. But I can still win the odd game and give top teams a good game.

Enjoy the new patch if you get it and post your opinion.
 
I also think there is some scripting going on to help the CPU. Things like dragging back my defender or not allowing me to select one when I need it...
It's needed because the CPU AI is just not good enough to pose a challenge.

Hopefully on next gen the Cpu won't need that sort of help.
 
What do the form arrows in PES actually represent, seeing as they're not a blanket boost to all stats as they used to be? As I understand it, Heart now covers the mental attributes, leaving the arrows to cover the physical? Not sure where stats around technique sit in the mix, I guess Konami would vary someone's set piece ability using the arrows though I personally would use heart more.

As a couple of people have said, it's wrong to claim that red or blue arrows don't exist in football in real life. For a start, of course, you have match form. But a manager and/or his coaching staff also see players train every day, see their attitude, see how long it takes before they look tired, see how many of their shots and passes are coming off, see whether they're enjoying themselves or look distracted. The equivalent in PES is (or should be) the arrow set up. The people who said they treat grey/purple arrows as minor injuries are going about it the right way, I think - the problem if anything is that heart, arrows, injuries and fatigue don't quite synch up correctly, so the story you can infer from them doesn't quite check out with what you'd expect. You can imagine a player having poor 'heart' in a small game, or being nervous about a big match, but how can someone be tired and slightly injured but have an orange arrow after being blue in the match before?
 
henrys hand said:
I also think there is some scripting going on to help the CPU. Things like dragging back my defender or not allowing me to select one when I need it...
It's needed because the CPU AI is just not good enough to pose a challenge.

Hopefully on next gen the Cpu won't need that sort of help.
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More than likely it will be the same, they don't seem to know how to do it any other way!
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
There you go, don't make such mistakes :P, rather look back to the glorious PES days and compare.
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Did mean to start any brawl :p. People just have irrealistic expectations for the game in this regard.
As for those days, they were heavily scripted too, people just have a nostalgia filter.

@romagnoli, same opinion. Just hope next year will be different.
 
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