PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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profit90 said:
Totally agree.

It's the best pes ever. Clearly.
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Yes, believe in this.

Many people at the moment cancelled their pre-orders and went for FIFA 13.

YouTube - FIFA 13 TV Ad | JOIN THE CLUB

This is really well thought out advert.

And it shows EA quality in stuff.

Do you feel they would ruin their game with such shit KONAMI did?! Get real.

Like I said, Gameplay alone won't save PES this year either. Awful decision from KONAMI to ruin Master League with stuff only they knew about. No-one knew about those changes, until Review Code came to testers. Says enough about listening to community...
 
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In all honesty, "Classic" ML from PES4 onwards was essentially RPG-like and it worked very well indeed, especially in PES4 bar a few little things. I don't think the accusation of it being turned into a JRPG fly's with me. The little levelling up screen after a match (pretty much as you find in RPG's and even shooters these days) was like a drug for me back in those days, and the intensive training you could do in PES4 was a master stroke. For me, going back to something that streamlined would be far more desirable than both the direction Konami have taken with ML and all the nonsense EA have been up to in CM in recent years. It simply worked in the likes of PES' 4, 5, and 6.

I just think there has been some awful design choices given the green light. Let's not go down the "stupid Japs" route here, I think everyone in every community is better than that.

I will say that in all the areas of PES 2013 where I would have tolerated (just!) exactly zero steps forward, ML was one of them. Not to say last year was anywhere near flawless, but I would have tolerated it more given the apparent progress with the actual game itself.

By the way, player interaction/moaning has been greatly toned down apparently, which makes this new stuff even harder to digest.

Posted this on our boards, but this is how I would approach at least trying to rectify matters for PES2013 and beyond :

Short Term PES2013 ML Solution

- The default boot problem for non CPU teams has to go. Immediately!

- Boot purchases and attached stat boosts are only required for Youth Team/Promising Youngsters or Regens. These players are essentially blank slates, thus the boot nonsense would be far less insulting and actually might be a pretty good way to enhance these players characters over time. I would add the ability to change their hairstyle/facial hair but not their face, size etc. Every other player from the games roster has this function greyed out in ML.

- Natural development still occurs through players simply playing matches but the purchase of things like weights, dribble cones etc. can accelerate natural development in a certain attribute, though not ridiculously so. At the end of the season, these need to be renewed/repurchased but not doing so will NOT see players development revert back to pre-development state!

The More "Community Pleasing" PES2013 ML Solution

- An on/off function pre-ML start that asks if you want to opt for "classic ML" or "PES points features ML"

- "PES Points Features Mode" would be as it unfortunately is at the moment or better would be as I have explained above.

- "Classic ML" would be that only a players natural development curve + them playing matches would see their attributes develop/wane over time. Think PS2 era when every match had a post game screen showing players levelling up ever so slightly with each passing match they participate in. It is admittedly basic but as the old cliches go, "you get better with experience", "learn by doing" etc..

The Base Template For ML Player Development For Future Releases

- Natural development through players simply playing matches, using the gradual levelling up bar that was found under each discipline in PES' 4,5,6.

- Each time the XP bar fills under each discipline and (bar is scored 1-100), the player gains 1 extra rating point (83 to 84 for passing as an example)

- The XP bar under each discipline fills up dependent on the players natural development curve and of course their age. We can't be having Puyol get quicker in his mid-30's.

- An under the hood scoring system for filling up the XP bar would be in place. Example being 1pt would be granted for certain attributes for the player simply playing.

- It's basically PES4,5,6's system!

- The XP scoring system would be under the hood! There will be no flashing icons etc. during matches

- At the end of each season, you are asked if you want to do a "full" or "friendlies only" pre-season program.

- Users opting for "Friendlies Only" pre-season will play no less than 4 but no more than 8 pre-season matches where natural development through players simply playing will still occur, only not at the same rate as can be found in matches during the season.

- "Full" pre-season will last 10 -12 weeks and sees users not only play no less than 4 and no more than 8 pre-season friendlies but also partake in training/skill game activities similar to that found in PES4 in order to try to further develop players abilities. Remember you could do rondo, free-kick, defence, etc.?

- Development rate in "Full" pre-season would be at a lesser rate than that found during the season with the benefit being that you can use this period for more intensive/focused training.

- The training/skill games would still be available throughout the season but development would be very marginal.

- The return of the "condition gamble" option each week, with you only able to select 3 or 5 players to see if that button press can improve condition for those players selected. Keeps it simple. Bounce games if you have enough in your squad to do so should also return.

- Just to make it clear, IT IS BASICALLY PES4, 5, 6's SYSTEM!. This just worked!

This is just off the top of my head but I do think PES4's system was the best...apart from development stopping at age 24. This was rectified in PES5 and beyond but they stupidly removed the intense pre-season of PES4 which I thought was magnificent as it not only prepared you for the season, but it had you feel more of a "connection" with your team.

I should say, that this Konami balls up doesn't make FIFA any more appealing, crappy advert and all.
 
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info0 said:
Yes, believe in this.

Many people at the moment cancelled their pre-orders and went for FIFA 13.

YouTube - FIFA 13 TV Ad | JOIN THE CLUB

This is really well thought out advert.

And it shows EA quality in stuff.

Do you feel they would ruin their game with such shit KONAMI did?! Get real.

Like I said, Gameplay alone won't save PES this year either. Awful decision from KONAMI to ruin Master League with stuff only they knew about. No-one knew about those changes, until Review Code came to testers. Says enough about listening to community...
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Sorry but this stupid marketing advertisement is good for kids. I don't really care for shit like this one. They can make the best advertisement in the world but I have my brain. Typical move from EA. It's all about money dam dam dam...like in some song.
 
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You haven't played FIFA 13 yet, I had. Keep your comments to yourself kiddie ;).

People are in for some surprise.

But that's not about this. It's the quality. Quality of ads, trailers and other stuff. KONAMI can't even do this stuff right.

Sure we got 2 demos, we are glad. We are expecting this to be great addition to last year Football Life...

What does KONAMI do? Trolls us all with J-RPG style shit. Buy poles to +5 dribbling ability of your player. Hint: you can use it for one player only. Great!

Seriously now. At who this game is directed then? Kids? Japanese people?

This won't appeal to USA/EU people imo.

PES 2013 just disappeared from my list. Until they fix their Master League.
 
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info0 said:
You haven't played FIFA 13 yet, I had. Keep your comments to yourself kiddie ;).

People are in for some surprise.

But that's not about this. It's the quality. Quality of ads, trailers and other stuff. KONAMI can't even do this stuff right.

Sure we got 2 demos, we are glad. We are expecting this to be great addition to last year Football Life...

What does KONAMI do? Trolls us all with J-RPG style shit. Buy poles to +5 dribbling ability of your player. Hint: you can use it for one player only. Great!

Seriously now. At who this game is directed then? Kids? Japanese people?

This won't appeal to USA/EU people imo.

PES 2013 just disappeared from my list. Until they fix their Master League.
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Why oh why isn't their a company with the same ethos as SIGames that can enter the market. They understand football, and as much as I've enjoyed many of the PES titles, I don't think Konami fully do. And EA certainly doesn't.

A grassroots/lower league simulator with dozens of attributes and variables that contextually alter the game would be magnificent. A football equivalent to ARMA II to challenge EA's and Konami's footballing equivalent of Call of Duty.
 
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dannyfc2 said:
Why oh why isn't their a company with the same ethos as SIGames that can enter the market. They understand football, and as much as I've enjoyed many of the PES titles, I don't think Konami fully do. And EA certainly doesn't.

A grassroots/lower league simulator with dozens of attributes and variables that contextually alter the game would be magnificent. A football equivalent to ARMA II to challenge EA's and Konami's footballing equivalent of Call of Duty.
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I do agree with that in bold for the most part. I am not sure I particularly want FM levels of depth in ML if I'm honest. Attention to detail regards players abilities and than transferring into gameplay? Most certainly!
 
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zeemeister said:
Its japanese developers. They might think its a cool feature. The eastern world thinks differently to the west. We may deem something uncool and they find it fascinating.

When I was in china (ok its not japan but you get my drift). They found silly things amusing and have an almost naïve sense of humor. Look how long it took them to realise dogheads are not cool and neither is riding an ostrich.

That's just the way they are,

Not a gamebreaker for me unless its incorporated online. I fell out of love with ML loooong ago.
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If they wanted to add that stuff, do it to Winning Eleven for the Japanese market, surely someone amongst their Western contingent thought this was a bad idea, hello Jon Murphy?!
 
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info0 said:
Yes, believe in this.

Many people at the moment cancelled their pre-orders and went for FIFA 13.

YouTube - FIFA 13 TV Ad | JOIN THE CLUB

This is really well thought out advert.

And it shows EA quality in stuff.

Do you feel they would ruin their game with such shit KONAMI did?! Get real.

Like I said, Gameplay alone won't save PES this year either. Awful decision from KONAMI to ruin Master League with stuff only they knew about. No-one knew about those changes, until Review Code came to testers. Says enough about listening to community...
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Well ,if we watch this ad .. for EA, all FIFA fans are slim and weak nerd far from Real sports ... but any way , i like it , like a gamer, i love this idea for clubs mode and co-op play , huge online multilayer , that why all buy FIFA ! To bad we don't have all this great stuff on only one real football game on the market.. PES...
 
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curdstar said:
I do agree with that in bold for the most part. I am not sure I particularly want FM levels of depth in ML if I'm honest. Attention to detail regards players abilities and than transferring into gameplay? Most certainly!
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Nah I agree regarding management depth, like yourself I prefer the minimal interface that allows you to imagine your own scenarios, i.e. why a player is going through a bad patch etc. I found the cutscenes last year intrusive, they're impressive initially but the reptitiveness just removes the immersion if anything.

It's more SIGame's mentality that I was alluding to. They're all football people, and know how to replicate the game we love. While other developers focused on 3D match engines, press conference cutscenes and flashy interefaces. They focused on the nitty gritty, the core game itself under the hub.

That's what I want Konami to do. Leave the gimmicky features. Just deliver a straight forward, semi-customisable career mode, and let us get on with it. If the game itself is good, in that player differences have meaningful impact, the incentives are there themselves.
 
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I really don't know what to make of today's news. Having not touched master league for years perhaps I shouldn't care, but this decision by Konami deeply disappoints and angers me. When it seemed like PES was finally back on the right track with the demo receiving wide acclaim, Konami go and drop a bollock. Massively so.

Their decision making beggars belief. They seem incapable of moving their product forward as a whole without regressing in certain areas.

Master league is such a popular and important mode that Konami are playing with fire when they make these kind of childish, unrealistic and gimmicky changes. I was hoping to get back into ML, maybe this year given how good the gameplay is, but not a chance now. I can completely understand why some people are considering cancelling pre-orders based on what we've read.

I appreciate that the master league has always had its roots in fantasy, but it consistently offered a deep and realistic management and team building mechanic which involves the player on an emotional level like few other games can. Hence, it's a shame to see ML going down a J-RPG route, because that's essentially what is happening here.

I'm not going to say this is a typically Japanese move because I'm sure the discerning Japanese football fans are as horrified by today's news as we are.

I can see why Konami kept this under wraps until now.
 
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I had a long ML pause after PES 4, started back in 2010, loved it, played it quite a bit in 2011 and 2012. This could very much ruin it for me, but thankfully playing the League mode includes Champions League and Europa League, unless they somehow manage to mess that up as well. Of course, that means no transfers...
 
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Well konami loves killing themselves. I haven't played ML since 08 so i don't think i will be playing it this year. I barely get past 4 matches each iteration.
 
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That's just it though, Konami have not advertised this at all, in fact they've deliberately kept it hidden from view, which implies they don't have confidence in it. But if that's the case then why did they include this stuff at all?

I dunno, I'm hoping I can get past all that nonesens in ML and enjoy it. I'm hoping the item thing doesn't impact on player development too much.
 
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Have just been reading about this stat boost/power up/go go gadget boots nonsense. I'm interested in knowing whether you 'have to' use these and whether you would be at a real disadvantage? I wonder if you could just avoid this stat boosting and carry on as normal? Or are you forced to use it?

Think we need further clarification.
 
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lons_pl said:
Thank God Konami next year release Pes 2014 with new engine and will open Europen studio in London :COOL:
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Somehow I don't think this year's change of direction in the master league will be a 'one year only' thing. Konami probably intend to develop the idea on the new engine.

Worrying times.
 
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i really doubt all of the players will start out with generic crap boot by default on ML.. only the Default team (castolo, etc) and youngsters will be starting like this.
and even if they all do.. by the time i get to face barcelona or madrid, they should all be wearing shiny expensive boots!

Remember you could change your cleats in BAL? it changed just a bit your performance (and you didn't HAVE to do it anyway), the only difference is thay you'll have to pay for them now.. with game 'money'
if you are now able to buy weighs or creatin or dildos to improve your training, well you can either use them or just ignore that stuff.

all that talk about 'magical boots' is non-sense and childish.
lets say, would you run or kick the ball the same way using predators or mercurials or generic cheap cleats? now THAT would be unrealistic

i know there are people obsessed about pretty much anything in this world, and there will be arguments about if F50s make you run faster than Mercurials.. and there will even be people who create patches modifying this stuff according to their personal opinion.

anyway, i don't really mind this new (alleged) addition to the game.. i think it'd be better if Konami gives you the option to play that way or the regular way.. for those who are already rruning to cancel their pre-order and getting FIFA instead while crying their eyes out and tearing their clothes

freedom is a possibility only if you're able to say no, right?


PS. i just cant wait to get my freaking copy on Sept 25th!
 
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Matty_17 said:
just to calm everyone down a bit - the game has gone gold so they wont be changing any of this before release
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I hope to f*@k they change the shooting. This is a game breaker for me. Thoroughly enjoyed the 1st demo but the more I play demo 2 the more it screams PES2012.

The superstar players who you'd expect to hit rockets, now shoot like most average players should, whilst the average players, well .................:RANT:

For anyone who doesn't agree, try shooting with Ozil or Xavi outside the box. :CRY:
 
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lons_pl said:
Europen studio in London will stop stupid ideas from Japanese main studio in Tokio i quess :FAIL:
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Hopefully, but it depends what the London studio is tasked with doing. If the studio is simply responsible for regionalisation and finishing touches then I doubt they will have much influence.
 
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Jamezinho said:
Hopefully, but it depends what the London studio is tasked with doing. If the studio is simply responsible for regionalisation and finishing touches then I doubt they will have much influence.
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I believe London studio will respond in particular for realism in the game in many aspects like chants, Ml structure and Europen view of football.
 
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