PES 2012: The Wish List

Loving PES again and would like to add my two pence but is Konami actually going to pick up on ay ideas in this thread/site or is there somewhere more productive to put our suggestions?
 
stuartyd said:
Loving PES again and would like to add my two pence but is Konami actually going to pick up on ay ideas in this thread/site or is there somewhere more productive to put our suggestions?
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The only sites to have official feedback forums (monitored by Konami) are Pesfan, Pesgaming and WENB. Therefore I'm not sure if anyone from Konami keeps a check on this forum.

It's a shame because we have many good people here at Evo-web with excellent ideas for PES, but this site is not one of the chosen few unfortunately.
 
Jamezinho said:
The only sites to have official feedback forums (monitored by Konami) are Pesfan, Pesgaming and WENB. Therefore I'm not sure if anyone from Konami keeps a check on this forum.

It's a shame because we have many good people here at Evo-web with excellent ideas for PES, but this site is not one of the chosen few unfortunately.
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PEs Gaming is pretty much dead, PES Fan is very poor and WENB is the only decent site.

TBH i think Romagnoli is right, Konami does listen to all feedback and implenets it for balance etc.. but it's still Seabass's vision more than anything. it's never going to be a 100% fans game. Feedback is important but Koanmi won't change from their intentions.

I cba to post much really, just mainly what i said about he goalkeepers, I'll do a post regarding animations and lastly sliders, that's about it, everyone else should cover the bugs which need looking into.
 
@ Jamezinho let's look at things from the other side. If you make the game, was an interested to know what people think and you would check the few remaining bigges sites of your product? More so evo-web is one of the first and still most active PES sites.
If I was Seebass, i will look every minute all PES sites around the world, it's not so hard, just one a click !
 
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IIHUII said:
@ Jamezinho let's look at things from the other side. If you do the game, was an interested to know what people think and you would check the few remaining bigges sites of your product? More so evo-web is one of the first and still most active PES sites.
If I was Seebass, i will look every minute all PES sites around the world, it's not so hared, just one a click !
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I agree, I'd make sure I got feedback from as many places as possible so I'm sure Konami have people reading forums from all around the world, not just the officially supported ones. Konami really should look at giving this site an official feedback section as it's far more active than the likes of Pesgaming and Pesfan.
 
agree with IIHUII, Seabass should give some respond to the fans if they not want their next game, got "KABOOM" and dead by their rival FIFA, fans opinion is important, and EVO-WEB is the current best PES site IMO. and have the most active member around the world :)

@Jamezinho, yes mate, i forgot bout Partizan and Schalke :), and also agree with u, konami should try to add more team in their list instead add the new one and then remove some of the old one, it seems like dog eat dog :)
 
GAMEPLAY

- Improve the already brilliant manual passing, more angles and use of LS.

- Don't change the shooting mechanics to much, a bit more manual user input without taking away from individuality would be good, more dip and varied trajectory by pushing or holding back on LS might work well.

- A fully working manual player switch

- No automatic assistance or interventions from AI(not just talking about auto tackling

- power bar for crossing, manual crossing is excellent yet very awkward

- More control over off the ball movement and player movement

- Less assisted passing, especially through balls where the power bar is fairly redundant

- Tone down the rubberband/AI cheating
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OTHER IMPROVEMENTS

- Expand stadium editor

- Stadium specific nets(like pes 2-6) or a simple net editor

- Less crazy transfers in offline ML

- Don't mess with ML offline to much, its pretty much perfect just polish it up

- Player models could looks better graphically, night games could also look better.
 
other Suggestion

- Bring Back The Snowy Stadium

- Fix The Shoot Power, the PES 2010 shoot power and accuracy is better, in PES 2011 i find it crazy when i only push the button very soft and the bar is not on maximum , but the ball flying away to the Moon, in reality the real player is not that stupid and u will rarely see the real player has hit the ball to the sky when they in good position, but in PES 2011 even with the like of gerrard or other good shooter, we always found hard to get a good accuracy when shooting from outside penalty BOX

- Fix The refree Brain (AI) which i think never fair, where they always sided with CPU.

- More Freedom on controling player movement coz i think the freedom when we off ball is not enough!
 
Yeh can't believe I forgot the ref, the bastard literally plays for the AI sometimes and he gives decisions to the AI that you never get. He is also desperate not to book the AI for tackles you would instantaneously be booked for. I have never seen the AI sent off for two bookings in months worth of master league.
 
My wishes:

Stadiums
+ Add more stadiums, licensed or unlicensed
+ Weather after location and season, if it's a stadium in UK like Anfield there should be raining more often there than if the stadium is in Italy like San Siro. And if you play a game in January in a cold location like Uk there should be a chanse of snowing. Not so important but shouldn't be to hard to fix.
+ Change the banners text. Banners like "Who ate all the pies" and "Go for glory" is a bit embarrassing. In a second thought don't change the text of the banners, just add new ones. And add new banners with different text type. For an Middle Eastern team there should be banners with arabic letters, and an East Asian team banners with East Asian letters.

Audience
+ If there is an ordinary friendly game between two lower ranked teams, lets say Angola vs Israel, there shouldn't be totally packed at the stadium. Instead change the amount of audience after the importance of the game (is it an ordinary league fixture or is it Champions League final).
+ Change the color of the majority of the audience clothes after team colors. If it is Chelsea playing, the majority of the audience wears blue clothes. And if Liverpool plays the majority of the audience wears red and white clothes and so on.

Gameplay
+ A really funny thing would be if you would be able to nag and protest against a referees decision. With a small chance to convince the referee but a risk of getting a yellow card. And another option of begging the referee to spare you with a small chance of success.

Commentary
+ It would be absolutely great if PES added a new commentatory, not replacing anybody just add a new one. So you will have different commentators in different games and not the same ones every game.
+ More dramatic comments when scoring an late important goal. Or when making a nice feint that works.
+ It would be cool if the commentary said all national team names, so you can hear in the beginning of a match "Italy vs Sweden" or just something oridinary "It is one nil to Iraq"

BAL
+ Be able to have more than one nationality. And later on in the game you will be able to chose national team. This system already exist in Football Manager.
+ Add new hairstyles
+ Introduce Interviews to the game with different options of answer.
+ Salary cut if you are resting too many game or playing undisciplined on the field.

Teams
- Add a lot of new national teams, licensed or not. Just add them, and many players will chose PES instead of FIFA if they know their national team is in it. Actually one of the reasons I started buy this game was because it contained my national team Iraq (I live in Sweden but my parents are from Northern Iraq)
+ A sensational experiment of adding at least two womens team would be great. PES would be first of introducing women in a fotball game. Just an extra thing.

Thats all of my long wish list
 
Slide tackles - RED CARDS PLEASE. Christ just had the most depressing night. Slide slide slide slide slide. The the thing is it works as well, if the lag is just enough that you don't know what your players are going to do. Slides are overpowered as a ball winning method and are not punished when they bring you down. It's such cnutish play to just slide all the time and get man and/or ball so often, but what's stopping them?
 
Konami should not seek feedback from a sites and forums! The only thing they need is just type "PES 2011 bug, PES 2011 error, PES 2011 fail " in youtube and they will pour hundreds of videos striking errors and bugs. Just fix it Konami... at all !
 
I was invited to discuss PES2012 and what would be good for the series but sadly the meeting was cancelled and never actually happened but here is what I emailed to them, be interested to see if some things come up, oh btw at the time this was mostly based on the ML beta and a few hours play of the full game at Konami.

PES 2012 - Gameplay Improvements

• New animation never done before in football games but quite common, the sidefoot volley lob, think Berbatov vs Chelsea Charity Shield 2010 (discuss in meeting how this would be triggered)

• Move for wingers or skilful attackers in the right situation to be able to first touch lift a bouncing ball over an opponent (discuss more in meeting)

• Less scissor kicks outside box

• Tweak player off the ball running to stop players standing still (but not implement a player run feature, discuss in meeting)

• More crossing animations, player specific, this could be done with Beckham etc in the older games, also more types of crosses, outside foot, driven

• Defenders to have more intelligence depending on who they are facing, back off Aaron Lennon so he doesn’t sprint past, force players onto their least preferred foot

• AI man marking your team, if you have a dangerman, like a Scholes, Arteta, Messi then the opposition would employ someone to stifle them

• Long passing by star players such as Fabregas, Scholes, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta to be more low, driven and pinpoint

• Important goals – team celebration rather than player, so the team will drag the player down to the ground and dive on him

• Be able to tweak your formation to a point where you advise how many players you would want to counter attack on a given move, think Germany with Ozil, Podolski, Muller all running in parallel

• Remove the Select (Back) and Button press to trigger tactics and make it more intuitive (discuss how in meeting)
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PES 2012 - Graphical Additions


• The referees behind the goal on European matches

• Kits to become wet and muddy


• Camera men (Behind Goal) to follow action (not if it affects framerate)

• Crowd to become more interactive (example - when ball is out for corner cut scene shows 3-4 fans encouraging corner taker – or not being so nice)


• Subs warming up (possibly behind goal or always in corner only if it does not affect framerate)

• Ball boy behind goal (not all arenas) but will celebrate if home team scores


• Manager on sidelines – from the calm to the hyperactive

• Fans reaching out for players if celebrating near stands

• Stadiums to reflect the team popularity, ie Wigan, Blackburn, empty seats, Man United, Chelsea, full stadium
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PES 2012 - Sound Additions

• More real time atmosphere – if you are losing or not creating chances the crowd is subdued, if you then fire off a shot which goes for a corner, expectations rise and crowd roar encouragement, playing poorly at home and only creating a couple of chances then the crowd boo at half time/full time, also if you lose or draw against a team ranked worse than you.
Crowd to appreciate tackles more by applauding them.
Crowds to be louder when there is a big cup game or an important game. (discuss more in meeting)
Muted away goal celebrations (discuss more in meeting)

• When an opposition player injures one of your players the home crowd will boo his every touch for either a period or the rest of the game, the crowd could also boo a player that dives or a referee that does not give a foul (the commentary could also point out the referee is getting stick), what could be possible is for crowds to also boo players from the start (discuss more in meeting)

• More localized goal celebrations, whether scoring a goal in England, Italy, Spain, Germany they all have different ways of roaring when a goal goes in.

• Stadium atmosphere to reflect the team playing in terms of how much do they sing, are they subdued until the team plays well (discuss more in meeting)
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New Idea - PES.tv

• From a offline gallery record upto 20 seconds (less in slow motion) and upload to the new in game interface

• You can rate the goals in terms of stars and browse these in terms of score


• Friends on your list can message you in this new interface to advise they have a new video for you to watch

• After an online game you can save the highlights to Hard Drive and record parts from that so as to not to delay a match or infuriate your opponent, this could really have some excellent bragging rights in the community

• Konami community representative or community itself to view the goals and decide on the goal of the month earning a prize
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PES 2012 New Idea Master League Hardcore

The following would be massively appreciated by the “Hardcore” fans, a mode which will last them until the following release and they will appreciate it as they will also have a say in how the players are rated.
Just to pop some bullet points in here to make it less boring to read, these are the fundamental changes I propose (please note this will be an extra mode, ie difficulty if you like to keep the casuals happy, but I think even they will come around).

• The possibility of four divisions, still have not figured out yet how to populate these
• Start in a stadium limited to say 5k, either your created stadium (max 5k capacity) or one premade for this mode
• Stadium is sparsely populated and will remain so until you start winning games
• Crowds affect revenue, no longer win money for winning games
• Merchandise plays a part now as well, win more games, more shirts, scarves etc sold
• If players are playing well, scoring, assisting, high rating their value will rise
• Players from divisions above will not want to play for you
• Players priced like real life, Rooney is 80m, Ronaldo 80m, DJ Campbell 1m etc (more on how we monitor real life prices below)
• Live within your means, spend what you earn, if your wages are in the red, your chairman will kindly remove from any transfer budget you may have
• If you spend big and lose games, expect to be sacked
• If sacked apply for club at bottom and start again
• 15-20 season cycle, even if you make it to the top, you probably still cannot sign Messi, Rooney etc but can scout the next big thing and sign them young.
• The choice to buy players or improve your stadium, improving stadium will probably benefit in the long term but are you that patient?
• Choice to move to a new stadium if you have amassed a fortune
• Top players such as Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi will only ever move to a similar club, Inter, Man United, Real (not your team though as you do not have the prestige)
• No Overall Rating for players, just the spider charts and good old fashioned number crunching
• Once moving up divisions if you can afford them better players will come to you but beware as this could affect other players in the same positions form arrows temporarily
• If players do not see action, their form arrows are severely affected
• Use the same formation and other teams will suss it out through scouting, so you need to adapt constantly through formations or in game tactically
• Change clubs through job offers after considered success
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PES 2012 – New Idea - Indoor Football

• 5 a side indoor football with a pitch like they use on Masters Football, ie goals sink into the boards

• Using classic retired players past the age of 35 or generated players so maybe no licensing to get around?

• Slow pace to the game – sprint button is disabled

• Reliance on first touch and control

• Passing to be short and slow – long pass is disabled

• Tackling to be light although sliding tackle will be enabled

• To ensure a slow pace the fencing will remove most of the sting from the ball

• AI assistance to help with automatic subs on tired players if needed

• 4 vs 4 online

• High scoring games, keepers to be a lot slower on shots they have to dive for but capable up close

• Emphasis on waiting for the opening with passing left to right always encouraged to open space

• No offsides
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DarthKebab said:
I was invited to discuss PES2012 and what would be good for the series but sadly the meeting was cancelled and never actually happened but here is what I emailed to them, be interested to see if some things come up, oh btw at the time this was mostly based on the ML beta and a few hours play of the full game at Konami.
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Some of those ideas sound rather good I must say ;)
 
Something you see all the time while watching the matches on TV are head high long balls. Now I think the only option are very high long passes. Chest or head high 25 yard passes would add to the realism. There are enough button combinations to make this possible.
 
lancers said:
Something you see all the time while watching the matches on TV are head high long balls. Now I think the only option are very high long passes. Chest or head high 25 yard passes would add to the realism. There are enough button combinations to make this possible.
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Do you mean the LB/L1 button plus the cross button but with a flatter trajectory is what you want to see? Can you double tap an early cross or manual cross to achieve the pass you are talking about with the current controls?
 
I once came up with an idea but receive no response so here I go again lol
During the process of uploading someone's OF (for instance he has got all the accurate kits and badges ..), wouldn't it be better if Konami put in place a system that allows you to choose which part of your friend's OF you only wanna load and save onto your OF ?
For instance you're only interested in the kits and you don't want your formations to be changed by the new data you collected from your friend, the game should tell you which part of the data you wanna upload and therefore indirectly which part of your OF you don't want to be changed ?
I don't think it would be too difficult to put it in place and it's a little that could make the life of many of us easier.
Imagine if you could seperately choose between the following elements:
formations
tactics
kits
badges
shoes
name for cups/leagues
name of teams
name of players
...
...
 
I haven't read this thread yet but here's some of what I'd like to see:

-An option to make crosses manual (with power bar) without the extra button input, just put it in the menus so I can turn it off and on as I wish... The button thing is not working for me and always ends up in awful crosses. Just semi manual like the rest of the passing would be fine by me, but just have enough options in there so everyone can find the system that suits them best.

-make crosses and clearances like shots in a way that body position is everything... In Pes 11 you can turn towards your endline, yards from going out of play and still hoof the ball into the opponents penalty box... Where crosses are concerned you should have to have your player properly aligned for a cross and a weak foot cross should be poor, most of the time. Right now you can make a decent cross from almost any postion.

-And for the Love of the Lord and everything holy, put in a working version of the advantage rule! You already had it down pretty good in some game, but it's been so long I can't remember which game it was!
 
- International chellenge
- snow
- Clive Tyldesley
- Option for gameplay frame
- Home and away option for exhibition mode
- Away goal option for exhibition mode
- Support stance option
- Select referee option
- Improve become a legend somehow, im not going to write now an endless list how
- "Copy" the commentary of NBA 2k11 or 10 or whatsoever
- More teams...obviously but also U-20 or U-21 teams for some nations
- Work on gameplay because its so stressful
- Option to update squads of clubs and national teams for friendly matches and for community mode in online
- Bring back handball
- A game mode where we can play street football 4 vs 4 or 5 vs 5 or something like that in a hall or in a park
- Bring back random selection match
- Make Europa Leage available from the main menu
- Tattoos
- Real banners or at least somewhat real. For example i am hungarian and the banners of my national team say "los yungs"
- 3rd commentary near to the pitch
- commercials and match schedule(for example a real-barca match hype) before matches and in the breaks like in NBA 2k11
- Live roster
 
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There are a load of things I can think of:

1. For the love of all things good in this world, Konami, would you for crying out loud do something with the music? There are some good songs, but the majority of them are like some chant you'd hear a Hare Krishna singing. And please -- PLEASE! -- allow us the option of either muting the fuckin' thing or choosing which songs do or don't cycle. Is that too much to ask?

2. I don't know if you understand the concept of 'offside', Konami, but real-life football players don't make runs behind the defence and then, when the ball isn't passed to them, stand there like morons wondering what the hell to do next. They usually get back onside pretty quickly. As opposed to in PES 2011, where the majority of offsides are given because the CPU is standing fifty yards offside and doesn't seem to notice.

3. What is up with the scout? If I want someone to make transactions of my money without me having any say in it, I'll go see a banker. Give me the fuckin' option to offer Barcelona £175,000,000 for Leo Messi if I want to! Is that too much to ask? It is my money, after all. I earned it winning league after league. The least you can do is let me spend it where I want!

4. Get rid of the stupid diving! Let me explain the concept of diving to you, Konami. It is the immoral act of falling to the ground where little to no contact has been made in order to cheat the referee and earn a penalty/free kick. While it was fun in PES (whatever the hell year it came in) it's got really, REALLY irritating now. Why, you ask? Well, for diving to exist in the game and work properly, the referee has to be able to be conned. Which means that he makes mistakes. So when I make a perfectly timed sliding tackle, winning the ball first but taking the player, and the stupid son of a bitch gives the opposition a penalty, IT'S KIND OF FRUSTRATING!

5. Revamp the passing system. You thought you did a good job bringing a passing power gauge, didn't you, Konami? But here's the thing. Half the time the passes don't go where you want them, and the other half they are perfectly timed through balls which are (A) unrealistic, and (B) usually called for offside because the stupid SOB is standing fifty yards up the field with his hands in his pockets!

6. Sort out the transfer market. Here's a little newsflash for you: Manchester United have not sold a player to Liverpool, and vice versa, for forty years! So when I'm playing in Master League as my own invented team (I like to start at the bottom) and I come up against Wayne Rooney in a Liverpool shirt, I wonder what in the hell's going on. Also, Leo Messi playing for Tottenham? Are you serious? What the hell would take Messi from the best team in the world to White Hart Lane? I mean, I'm all for signing the big names, but there's gotta be a certain amount of realism here.

7. I'm going to say this slowly so that it has more impact.

Get. Rid. Of. The. Fucking. Stumbling.

I will say no more on the subject.

8. For the love of God, would you please sort out the form arrows? If Leo Messi scores two hat-tricks in successive league games, unless he becomes clinically depressed between then and the next one, it's fair to say that he will be at least green for it! Not fucking purple. WTF?

9. Do something with the youth team. If I invest £10,000,000 a year in my youth team, do I want to see players with an overall rating of 41? No, I do not. I expect at least a 70.

10. Please -- PLEASE -- get rid of all the shit screens in between matches. The only one I really care about is the players' stat improvements. Not who I'm playing next. Not their first team. Not the stupid league standings. Not even the scores of other teams. It takes about ninety seconds from finishing a match before you even get around to starting the next, because you're plagued with stupid sponsor screens and crap that is of no bearing! And then it takes another thirty on top of that to save. And then another minute before the game starts!

That is all . . . for now.
 
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I'm fairly new to this game but manual passing without holding down a button would be greatly appreciated.
 
Morgan said:
There are a load of things I can think of:

1. For the love of all things good in this world, Konami, would you for crying out loud do something with the music? There are some good songs, but the majority of them are like some chant you'd hear a Hare Krishna singing. And please -- PLEASE! -- allow us the option of either muting the fuckin' thing or choosing which songs do or don't cycle. Is that too much to ask?
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You can do this in the options.
 
Make sure Microsoft allow picture import from USB / hard drive. I would love to make strips with high res pictures instead of having to get a rough approximation by drawing things in or using the live vision camera (which I haven't tried yet but is a far cry from importing proper pics from USB).
 
Off the top of my head id say

Better Animations
Better Collision Detection
Better Camera Andles - Adjustable
Better Atmosphere
Full Manual Controls e.g not holiding a button
Better Goalies
 
First Time I go back to PES since the PS2 and I find the game to be very good but could use improvements.

As mentioned a better collision detection, varying refs like on the older Pro Evo's (each with his own characteristics like FIFA 2011. Some Refs would be Strict, other Leniant, and others in between)

More fluid animations

I would love the option of changing your controller settings to Manual passing, shooting, crossing, throughball, etc. like on FIFA. This would mean that manual shooting needs to be added.

The L2 modifier is alright but i'd rather that button be used for something more useful when on offense like instructing a player to make a run.
 
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