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PES 2011 Discussion thread

Jamezinho said:
The Copa Lib mode will probably have an exhibition mode like the Champions League mode does.

That will be something at least, but I'm still not happy. My dreams of matches between the European and South American clubs are now shattered.
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I was going to say that. It does have it's own Exhibition mode. I hope we have them in ML. That's all I care about tbh.
 
I agree with most of what Expander has said...

This game is for the purists and will take a while to learn. The best computer games I've ever played have had a serious frustration period followed by absolute joy.

That said, there are a couple of gripes I have that Konami have to adjust and quickly.

1. The runs that players make off the ball. I've played football for over 20 years and I can tell you that when a winger stops on the touchline faced with a full back - his own fullback will nearly always run up the line, if only as a decoy.
Added to that, when you play a one two you don't expect your man to stop in line with his defender or in some cases before.
It could be a game breaker in my opinion.

2. If Defoe picks up the ball 5 yards ahead of John Terry, there is no way that Mr Terry should be able to catch him. I dont want 400mph football - just realistic. Berbatov vs Terry = different story. Fast players should be able to use their pace just like they do in real life. It's their main asset after all!

3. Shooting - random and floaty at best.

If they nail these 3 issues I think PES 2011 could be the best game ever.
 
Just thought i would put my two penneth in about the park run, although in true wenger style "I did not see it". Was his condition arrows good? because i would have thought this would maybe effect his judgement (awareness stat) or does it seem the same sort of problem in general?
 
Expander said:
Fideco

What bug?,the ai simply let you get a cross in without getting tight and gives you to much room but hes not freezing or bugging hes simply not getting tight enough,ive not experienced such a easy cross on the we demo,are you sure this is top player?.

Hardly a bug and hardly a game breaker,a human player would never let you do this.Get some friends to play with.

Whats the matter with you people its a game,i can do that time and time again in fifa on veteran.

Its just nit picking for the sake of nit picking over a DEMO.
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I too like this game and the criticism some people have had is excessive but now you're just making excuses, pure fanboyism.

I haven't played the WE demo and I won't as I'll just be getting the EU version of PES but it's ridiculous how you can score the same goal over and over again by just walking towards the the byline and getting in a free cross. I understand this is a demo build but if Konami don't speak out about a fix/patch or even just acknowledge the problem then people have the right to be worried. Anyone know if Jon Murphy said anything about this on his twitter?

If it's not fixed then it is most definitely a gamebreaker for me. Telling people to get some friends is just the easy way out, should we just completely forget about Master League then? It's not nitpicking, it's trying to help improve PES even further, make it even better than it's shaping up to be. I think everyone can live with the fact PES 2011 won't be flawless and everyone understands a demo will always have issues but this is a serious bug and needs to be fixed. All it takes is a word from Konami to settle this...

And no, you can't do this in FIFA on legendary because at that point the ridiculous AI will most likely have killed you with their superhuman, godlike tackling. You'll get the occassional easy cross in but you won't be able to repeat it all game.
 
hany3 said:
u r right mate
i noticed that serious bug too
and when u see it , u really feel how it is annoying
i wonder how other folks can's really notice it
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Maybe, as the issue is hardcoded because Konami has interpreted in this way the task of the side defenders near the corner , i think the only possibility to address it it is to "global" raise the "Aggression" value of sideback and/or fullback.
I will test and report.
Cheers
 
I've just given the ball to Abbondanzieri and jogged up and down the right flank, right by the touchline, from the halfway line to the corner flag and back again, from the 16th to the 41st minute. At that point I tried going back towards my own corner flag but the midfielder tracking me kicked into action at that point. Top Player, yes. I recorded it for the entire duration but the video is some 280MB long and I just CBA to set up a Youtube channel and upload it. I tried viewing it on my PC and it was upside down too. Bloody Apple and their wanton anti-Windows foibles.

Anyway, it's a pretty clear, inarguable gap in the defensive system. Certainly patchable, certainly not something that will be a problem online. But it's there. Anyone who has had 21 years of football game experience can see what the problem is straight away.
 
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Someone please just make a video demonstrating my suggestion to put an end to all this ambiguity about the bleedingly obvious:

Get a player into the opposition corner with single coverage. Now dribble without running up and down the touchline again and again.

Expander, didn't your previous backflip teach you you could be wrong? Well guess what, you are again mate. Just try what I described, it isn't difficult at all!
 
This AI running problem I believe is an issue, some may say it is not in their version of game, but for me it is there. But they do make some particular excellent run, but usually it is on the opposite wing eg, my ball handler is on the left side of the field, the most right player on the wing will do a full strive run nicely. but the player close to me that is in un-clear position, tend to stop and get close to my player, not try to run into spaces. Overall they do run, but they just don't finish it up.

I believe the AI just didn't finish their run properly. They tend to stop half way, at the right moment, where I'm about to pass, where it would be the perfect pass and run. I somehow think the AI of my team make a deal with the opposition AI so that I wouldn't get a perfect chance to score.
 
proof - I only skimread your post (sorry!). Do you mean jog from goalpost to cornerflag, or cornerflag to halfway line? I have a video of the latter but can't be arsed to upload it as I have no idea what I'm doing, and Youtube seems to freak out if I use a separate Gmail account to my actual one.
 
romagnoli said:
I've just given the ball to Abbondanzieri and jogged up and down the right flank, right by the touchline, from the halfway line to the corner flag and back again, from the 16th to the 41st minute. At that point I tried going back towards my own corner flag but the midfielder tracking me kicked into action at that point. Top Player, yes. I recorded it for the entire duration but the video is some 280MB long and I just CBA to set up a Youtube channel and upload it. I tried viewing it on my PC and it was upside down too. Bloody Apple and their wanton anti-Windows foibles.

Anyway, it's a pretty clear, inarguable gap in the defensive system. Certainly patchable, certainly not something that will be a problem online. But it's there. Anyone who has had 21 years of football game experience can see what the problem is straight away.
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I guess it's not really a problem offline either unless you choose to exploit it, unless it carries over into other aspects of the game. No doubt an exploit though.

I'm confused about the demo code and patching - some people are saying this won't be fixed because the demo is final code and what you see is what you get, while others like you say this should be patched. In addition, some are saying they played a build that is more advanced than the demo, and some are saying the WE demo is more advanced than the PES demo!

So confused!
 
If you want videos from the bug, here are two from someone who posted them in the kitanamedia-forum:

YouTube - PES 2011 Def KI fail / bug

and

YouTube - PES 2011 KI Fail

It seems the bug exists not only at the sideline and cornerline, but actually everywhere on the pitch. If you merely jog and don't hit the run-button and only one defender is covering you, you won't be tackled no matter what you do, he will back up right into the goal-zone until a second defender steps in.

This bug, the not completing runs and the non-advantage-referrees are imho the problems keeping PES 2011 from absolute greatness.

I hope it can all be patched sooner than later.
 
henrys hand said:
If you want videos from the bug, here are two from someone who posted them in the kitanamedia-forum:

YouTube - PES 2011 Def KI fail / bug

and

YouTube - PES 2011 KI Fail

It seems the bug exists not only at the sideline and cornerline, but actually everywhere on the pitch. If you merely jog and don't hit the run-button and only one defender is covering you, you won't be tackled no matter what you do, he will back up right into the goal-zone until a second defender steps in.

This bug, the not completing runs and the non-advantage-referrees are imho the problems keeping PES 2011 from absolute greatness.

I hope it can all be patched sooner than later.
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Oh. My. God.

x2 for that second vid.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
mfmaxpower said:
I'm confused about the demo code and patching - some people are saying this won't be fixed because the demo is final code and what you see is what you get, while others like you say this should be patched.
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As far as i know the demo is final code. It was confirmed over twitter, if it was no fake.

Zitat:
@JonMurphy_PES Is the demo the same as the full game, or can we expect more changes in the final version?
5:05 PM Sep 14th via web

@Maefteda Should be no discernible differences
7:07 AM Sep 14th via TweetDeck als Antwort auf Maefteda
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Anyway, they have to patch this bug. The question is how long will it take?
 
romagnoli,

no I mean corner post to halfwayline. It won't work if you run towards goal from corner because the flaw is sometimes hidden by another variable:

The AI WILL tackle when they outnumber you, two on one, and they constantly try to double team you.

Anyway, those kitanamedia videos sufficed nicely.

But you can literally run up and down the sideline all day long and no one will ever bother to even attempt to tackle you.

If anyone has a video though would prove the point well. I've tried explaining this God knows how many times now but so many people just aren't willing to try it.

Also mfmaxpower, IMO will affect every aspect of the game.
 
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Robbery said:
As far as i know the demo is final code. It was confirmed over twitter, if it was no fake.



Anyway, they have to patch this bug. The question is how long will it take?
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Guess I just don't want to believe that's the case. The big picture is the game is great overall but there's some inexcusable flaws as well. Makes me think of FIFA's MM last year - you just can't release a game like that. I mean, being able to dribble without the defense bothering to challenge you? How does this happen?
 
mfmaxpower said:
Guess I just don't want to believe that's the case. The big picture is the game is great overall but there's some inexcusable flaws as well. Makes me think of FIFA's MM last year - you just can't release a game like that. I mean, being able to dribble without the defense bothering to challenge you? How does this happen?
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Yes it is absurd. Don't they test this game at all? This is such a major bug, someone from Konami must notice this before. It is truly unbelievable.

I dont think they will patch it by release. It will be some weeks because it was always some weeks in the past.
 
Oh the drama. Exploits have ALWAYS existed. Don't use them. That is all.

And I do believe that an improvement over the demo with the final version is possible, and patches to this kind of stuff too.

Yes, it's an awful bug. Is it "unbelievable"? No, this "shit happens", especially in a game with so much new in a relatively short span of time.
 
_anderson said:
Oh the drama. Exploits have ALWAYS existed. Don't use them. That is all.

And I do believe that an improvement over the demo with the final version is possible, and patches to this kind of stuff too.

Yes, it's an awful bug. Is it "unbelievable"? No, this "shit happens", especially in a game with so much new in a relatively short span of time.
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You're right, it's a demo afterall and bugs exist in every game, it's now Konami's job to patch that bug asap.

And it's our job to merely not use these exploits and play as normal as can be and wait for the patch.

I'm not too bothered about that, the bug is too glaringly obvious for Konami not to see it and react.

What I'm more bothered about is players not completing their runs, this seems more serious and I don't know if Konami wants to fix that. Maybe it's part of the gamedesign to make the game more difficult and keeping score-results down.
 
_anderson said:
Oh the drama. Exploits have ALWAYS existed. Don't use them. That is all.
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With all respect Anderson, but that is a very wrong attitude. An attitude I see at a lot of WENB posters.
With that attitude Konami will not work at a patch, because you are happy; you just don't use the exploit!
No, Konami should be flooded with Twitters, mails, phonecalls, whatever, just to show them the emergency to make a patch.
 
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I fail to see how this bug will affect online games.
If you don't want to exploit it against CPU, don't.

It exists? Well, too bad, I hope they'll fix that but as far as I know I surely won't be exploiting it and just deal with it.

I personally think there are less evident but more crucial updates to make, like "whoa too many floaty balls" or "Just make a run, you piece of shit, I've been waiting for you to run the whole time", or goalkeepers animation.

All other stuff is trivial or just not as gamebreaking as someone would think.
 
I play it on professional Sincover, and I have posted a video earlier in this thread about the defender not tackling you at the sideline issue. It sure does exist, and I hope it will be patched. If not, I'll just have to not exploit it when I'm playing single player. Funnily enough, I never noticed the defender not tackling when I'm not sprinting until it was mentioned. Just played a game, and it seems like the CPU woud not tackle you if you are not sprinting, unless another defender comes in.
 
_anderson said:
That's the problem, we don't. One of mine one and only HUGE gripes.
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We know we won't have the teams, but what about the players? Can we buy them in ML?

Regarding the AI's supposed bugs, it seems to me that it's a matter of aggressiveness from the defenders.

Let's face it:

In the first video, the human player is LOSING 1-0, and then goes to the sideline and decides to stop. If I'm the defender, why should I care? I'm covering the cross, I don't want to go against the attacker full-on just to be feinted, and also he's the one wasting his time - so why should I care as a defender? If my orders are, say, to play on the counter attack, I'd be stupid to risk being feinted. And if it still happens if the player is winning, then it's probably down to the aggressiveness settings of the player or the team.

In the second video, the rationale is the same: if the defender is alone, if he goes full-on he risks leaving the goal at mercy. I can see it both ways - cover the zone, and wait for support, so that then they can tackle the attacker. What I would like to see is if the defender, even being 1 on 1, will try to intercept a shot if the player decides to shoot. Out of curiosity.

I can see where everyone is coming with these complaints, but for me at least I don't see them as game-breaking - after all, if I'm playing against someone else, I'll challenge them myself; if I'm playing against the CPU, I don't think I would ever pull off such a stunt, so... hey, sorry if it really bothers someone.

Cheers,

Paulo Tavares
 
Just raised aggression and defence values to 98 for sideback and fullback with editor and played a match.
It does nothing.:FAIL:
The "Green Zone Corner" Bug is hardcoded.
As i said in several post on several forum AI behavior is intentionally scripted by Konami to do "nothing" in that zone.
Therefore for Konami it's not a bug...
 
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I'm not saying you should ignore it. I'm saying some of you are overreacting, to say the least.

Poster above, for example.

EDIT: Actually, the poster above is just being a jerk. My mistake.
 
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