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PES 2011 Discussion thread

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Theres definetly a issue in the demo on top player of the opposition players just shadowing you down the wings rather then trying to win the ball in the demo,but in real football this happens alot when the opposition is behind the ball they wont always commit,however some stating thats its a easy cross and goal because the defenders in the box dont react is false.

Not having a issue with players responding to my commands though.
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Ok, thanks. Wasn't implying that it would be, by any means, an easy goal - actually, I don't think any of my goals so far have been headers.

Cheers,

Paulo Tavares
 
henrys hand said:
There seems to be real exploits and it's not just that on the cornerline the defense lets one make an unchallenged cross.. from the reports it seems one can also walk with the ball along the cornerline into the goal-zone unchallenged... that is as long as you merely walk, as soon as you hit the run-button the defense reacts.

If confirmed, and some on kitanamedia have confirmed it, it is a serious bug that needs patching ASAP.

The other serious exploit is the ability to make easy goals with manual passes instead of using the shoot-button. The goalkeeper reacts mostly only to shots and not to manual passes, so obviously the goalkeeper-AI is scripted.

That exploit is also a bug that needs to be patched ASAP.

That and the xbox360-stutters.
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I hope these get sorted... :SHOCK:
 
I tried the manual pass for shoot thing and the Goalkeeper does react to them.

If anything scoring 1 v 1's is too hard on this game whereas in actual football as long as you don't choke it's relatively straight forward. I prefer the idea of being able to use manual pass in that situation because with shots you can't really place the ball into the corner whereas with manual passing you can.

From my experience it's a lot more realistic than the complete randomness that shooting normally provides you.

I don't think it's an exploit because i don't think the GK should be able to react every time especially to a shot along the floor that would require him to get down low each time.
 
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Simcut said:
I was listening to the radio earlier and they had a fifa 11 competition and they mentioned that some Gaming magazine (think they said GamesMaster) rated 94% for FIFA 11, I mean WTF. They also said it was "the best football game EVER" - what an absolute pisstake.
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Yeah alot of magazine and website reviews are blindly biased towards FIFA
 
henrys hand said:
There seems to be real exploits and it's not just that on the cornerline the defense lets one make an unchallenged cross.. from the reports it seems one can also walk with the ball along the cornerline into the goal-zone unchallenged... that is as long as you merely walk, as soon as you hit the run-button the defense reacts.

If confirmed, and some on kitanamedia have confirmed it, it is a serious bug that needs patching ASAP.

The other serious exploit is the ability to make easy goals with manual passes instead of using the shoot-button. The goalkeeper reacts mostly only to shots and not to manual passes, so obviously the goalkeeper-AI is scripted.

That exploit is also a bug that needs to be patched ASAP.

That and the xbox360-stutters.
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FFS,and your not now sleeping in eas bed now are you.Ive read your posts on the fifa forums on kitanamedia.

You cant just cross unchallenged on top player,the cpu ai will close you until a second player gives ADDITIONAL cover and puts a foot in plus hes so tight your never be able to execute the perfect cross or skin him without a trick or feint.The only time you can cross unchallenged is if you beat the fullback and the opposition CB cant get to you quick enough or doesnt commit.

Also who in there right mind is just going to walk along the corner line to score,its nonsense.In the five games i played on top player on the we demo,i didnt even get the time and space to even do this and im GOOD.Its just a case of people turning the difficulty down to beginner.

As for the keepers being scripted this is BS,i tested this at work on the ps3 on the we demo in top player and the keeper was saving manual passes when i very rarely had the time or space without being tackled or shoved off the ball to do this,i was even doing it on freekicks just using the l2 and a hard pass and the keeper was saving.

Like ive said previously the ai in the we demo is more reactive plus if your just playing in regular or the lower settings the ai will be dumber.

As for your epic post about fifas wonderful off the ball ai,havent you ever noticed that the ai in fifa reacts the same off the ball whether your ahead,behind or level,it never changes and 9 times out of ten when you are in a advanced position the ai will just suck towards you like a magnet and win the ball.Ive also noticed you can play a absolute novice at fifa and they will still give you a good game because the ai overlaps players back and fills holes for you,you dont get stretched or have to do this more manually like in pes2011.In pes2011 its reactive to how the game is panning out,if your ahead your players will not mistakes or ball watch as there motivation is high,making better runs and showing more desire,but if your behind there motivation drops and they loose concentration and make mistakes and are slower to react to the ball.Again the pes difference that stretches well beyond player personality and individuality.

As for the xbox 360 stutter,do you really think konami will release a game with such a glaring floor,they do have testers.

Like ive said before the demo is close to the final version but its not 100%,just like review code will not be 100%.
 
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Can anybody tell me why i have no support when i get the ball too a forward man? i have tried messing with the player support and such but it doesnt do anything.

Also why on pes do the badges look awfull when the camera is close to the player. The kits dont look so great in edit mode either.

Will the full game have some fixes over the demo?
 
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Rooney10 said:
hi guys after playing the demo, realised there is no way to select manual crossing by default? it's like on automatic? is it possible to change it to full manual in the full game? i know they had this in button configurations in pes6. why the hell do they keep taking out things like this?

i know you can use L1 + cross but who will bother using that in online or offline multiplayer modes?!
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Crossings not as automated as you think.You can elevate the ball change the tradjectory and use your players feet and the angles of the pitch to mix and vary it up.If you want to have total control and not have it centre as much use the l2 and spin the ball left and right with your left thumbstick or push forward relative to your players position to dip.
 
dmxdex2020 said:
Can anybody tell me why i have no support when i get the ball too a forward man? i have tried messing with the player support and such but it doesnt do anything.

Also why on pes do the badges look awfull when the camera is close to the player. The kits dont look so great in edit mode either.

Will the full game have some fixes over the demo?
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If you want to have a more offensive game like fifa with overlapping runs,clear the presets in the edit management setting and select auto trigger.In this sub menu select super offensive which is at the bottom.Your notice the ai of your players is also more free because there not following a tactical preset,the game will flow quicker,however your defense will play a high line.
 
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henrys hand said:
There seems to be real exploits and it's not just that on the cornerline the defense lets one make an unchallenged cross.. from the reports it seems one can also walk with the ball along the cornerline into the goal-zone unchallenged... that is as long as you merely walk, as soon as you hit the run-button the defense reacts.
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Green Zone bug, i know, it's quite serious but no as easily exploited as people are making out!
The other serious exploit is the ability to make easy goals with manual passes instead of using the shoot-button. The goalkeeper reacts mostly only to shots and not to manual passes, so obviously the goalkeeper-AI is scripted.
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I've tested this and it dosen't seem like a bug, i dunno, only one person s gonig on like it's easy yet i haven't seen a video of him doing it many times, i've scored from this but the keeper really couldn't do anything about it!
 
Just enjoyed another solid 2 hours of demo time and I've fallen in love with Andres D'Alessandro. The man orchestrates everything. Its probably the one thing I've missed the most when playing FIFA these last few years, forging relationships with individual players, particularly those who play for 'lesser' clubs.
 
Hi guys, I haven't really been on the PES forum for a while but I'm really enjoying the demo and was hoping someone could answer a couple of questions for me regarding option files/patching.

I haven't done any patching since the PS2 days when I had a chipped Playstation and I did a little face making myself. I had PES4 & 5 modded to the hilt but now I'm very rusty on the subject.

1. Is it possible to patch PES with all the official kits and faces like I've been seeing on the console version?

2. If it is possible to do this, can you still go online with the patched version?

Sorry for the :OT: but I had a look through the editing forum and didn't see any answers to these questions.

Cheers in advance :))
 
stuartyd said:
Hi guys, I haven't really been on the PES forum for a while but I'm really enjoying the demo and was hoping someone could answer a couple of questions for me regarding option files/patching.

I haven't done any patching since the PS2 days when I had a chipped Playstation and I did a little face making myself. I had PES4 & 5 modded to the hilt but now I'm very rusty on the subject.

1. Is it possible to patch PES with all the official kits and faces like I've been seeing on the console version?

2. If it is possible to do this, can you still go online with the patched version?

Sorry for the :OT: but I had a look through the editing forum and didn't see any answers to these questions.

Cheers in advance :))
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On PS3?
 
Expander said:
If you want to have a more offensive game like fifa with overlapping runs...
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I believe you meant to say; If you'd like your teammates to make logical runs that even a mere child would make, please do the following. It has nothing to do with being "more offensive like FIFA." At least not in the context I'm speaking of.

http://yfrog.com/mrpooraimovementz

This is with tweaked management settings and quick counter. That's just plain unacceptable.
 
Redhat said:
I believe you meant to say; If you'd like your teammates to make logical runs that even a mere child would make, please do the following. It has nothing to do with being "more offensive like FIFA." At least not in the context I'm speaking of.

http://yfrog.com/mrpooraimovementz

This is with tweaked management settings and quick counter. That's just plain unacceptable.
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My question here is Why weren't you thinking:

Maybe Park stopped to offer you someone to make an easy pass to? Why didn't you use that? and conserve possession?

In fact i think it's you who made the error in not passing to him earlier when he was running! You just seemed to wait their for eternity!

Forget about Park not making the run into space,are you going to let you whole attack die just because park didn't run into space?

This is why i see no issue with player runs int his game! In real life, players don't always do absolutely exactly want to want! I see Park simply offering himself for a pass, just because he didn't run ahead like you want him to dosen't make it an issue for me! Park isn't the best player for counter attacking aswell, if you want counter, use Nani and Valenica man!

It's like people can't get around not countering in every attack with PES! I think it's something players need to adjust to and need to adjust to using players who suit the style your playing!
 
Hard to tell not seeing what happened after that, but it could be that it triggered a cover position move. Because the guys behind him run forward full speed it might be that he stopped to cover behind if you would lose the ball in the counter.
 
just found out from jon murphys twitter that copa lib teams will only be able to be played in copa lib mode ,thats a disaster not to have them for exibition games!
 
klashman69 said:
My question here is Why weren't you thinking:

Maybe Park stopped to offer you someone to make an easy pass to? Why didn't you use that? and conserve possession?

In fact i think it's you who made the error in not passing to him earlier when he was running! You just seemed to wait their for eternity!

Forget about Park not making the run into space,are you going to let you whole attack die just because park didn't run into space?

This is why i see no issue with player runs int his game! In real life, players don't always do absolutely exactly want to want! I see Park simply offering himself for a pass, just because he didn't run ahead like you want him to dosen't make it an issue for me! Park isn't the best player for counter attacking aswell, if you want counter, use Nani and Valenica man!

It's like people can't get around not countering in every attack with PES! I think it's something players need to adjust to and need to adjust to using players who suit the style your playing!
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mate.. i think you're making excuses for the AI. You know for a fact, in that situation, a player would not just sit there and not offer himself to the attack. That kind of attitude would get you in big trouble from the coach.
I've watched many games of footy and in that situation Park would be running forward. Why ? The idea is to provide as many attacking options as possible. The defense has to either stretch to cover Park and become vulnerable down the middle or cover the ball holder but allow empty space for Park to receive the pass.

The AI is either against you for difficulty purposes or its just not that intelligent :BRMM:


goalgerd said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKthc_Kr4&feature=player_embedded#!

the new defensive sysstem explained
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the holy grail... I understand it now! .........:JAY:
 
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Tibi said:
mate.. i think you're making excuses for the AI. You know for a fact, in that situation, a player would not just sit there and not offer himself to the attack.
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Oh for god sake, watch the clip again and stop being so closed minded, can't you look past the fact Park didn't run into that space? Can you think of the advantages of Park stopping and offering a easy pass? Or you just think, only running out wide was the only option? You should know there isn't just one way every player plays to!

This is what you essential sign up fro when playing PES, you should know what the AI does! I have no problem with the AI's runs on this game, and I'm a guy who couldn't live without the L1 player button on FIFA! It's how the game works.

That kind of attitude would get you in big trouble from the coach.
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How is offering yourself for a pass bad?

I've watched many games of footy and in that situation Park would be running forward. Why ? Because there is more options now.
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Again, close minded! Look at Berbatov controlling the ball from 0:03-0:05, a question instead, hwy didn't Berbatov make the pass earlier! Why didn't redhat hold R2 so Berbatov was facing the goal or play the pass when Park was still running. It was the slow thinking of Redhat, where Berbatov spent too long on the ball which caused Park to change his mind from running forward and instead offer himself for a Pass!

If you want to play counter attacking football, you have to be quick in your passing and reactions, there isn't just one factor here, there are many, you need to consider that! Even after Park stopped Berbatov couldn't played the ball back to scholes then possibly played in Rooney? Sorry but i have no sympathy for people moaning about player runs!
 
Redhat said:
I believe you meant to say; If you'd like your teammates to make logical runs that even a mere child would make, please do the following. It has nothing to do with being "more offensive like FIFA." At least not in the context I'm speaking of.

http://yfrog.com/mrpooraimovementz

This is with tweaked management settings and quick counter. That's just plain unacceptable.
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same thing i've brought up a few times, and people tried to explain it away to me the same way. in that situation with a possible 2 on 1 overload on that side there is no way in the world that park is gonna stop running. there's not even a case for saying the ball should have been played earlier because that would let the cb come over, whereas if park makes the run he could get slotted through when he get level with the cb to have a clear run on goal.

the thing is i cant understand why the game does this, when everythung else is more or less spot on, which is why i miss having the option of pressing L1 like in fifa, although i actually cant remember players just stopping like they have been doing in this demo.

edit: just read the post above and watched it again, can see no fault on the part of the player, i would have done exactly the same thing in the game and in real life, the 2 cm's are the option to play the ball back in for me, park is the supporting run, whenever i was coached i was told to get into the position of maximum opportunity, which in this case would have be to continue on the path he was on. that is the essence of counter attacking football, exploiting the gaps and spaces that have been left by the other team pushing forward. even if the ball was played back to scholes, park should have still be continuing his run forward. no reason for him to stop at all.

i dont see this situation as a difference between fifa and pes, more a difference between what would happen in a real game and what happens in this computer game.
 
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come to think of it. this was never a problem in ps2 pes games like pes4/5/6. they were always making runs. is PES never going to live up to its old ps2 hype again?
 
klashman69 said:
My question here is Why weren't you thinking:

Maybe Park stopped to offer you someone to make an easy pass to? Why didn't you use that? and conserve possession?

In fact i think it's you who made the error in not passing to him earlier when he was running! You just seemed to wait their for eternity!

Forget about Park not making the run into space,are you going to let you whole attack die just because park didn't run into space?

This is why i see no issue with player runs int his game! In real life, players don't always do absolutely exactly want to want! I see Park simply offering himself for a pass, just because he didn't run ahead like you want him to dosen't make it an issue for me! Park isn't the best player for counter attacking aswell, if you want counter, use Nani and Valenica man!

It's like people can't get around not countering in every attack with PES! I think it's something players need to adjust to and need to adjust to using players who suit the style your playing!
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I was going to offer a long-winded response as to why I think your opinion on this particular attack is flawed, but Tibi and fernadez more or less covered the basis of what I was going to say. Appreciate it.

Just a few things.

Why didn't I pass to him earlier? Mainly because the lone CB wasn't closing Berba down, thus I decided to turn and take the space in anticipation of Park running into the oppositions half. The player that began to trail Park, was left for dead by the time Rooney headed the ball on. There was no one directly in front of him, he would have had the entire right side to himself.

Why on earth would I want to conserve possession during what should have been a routine counter attack? As soon as I saw Park make that run, conserving possession didn't even enter my mind. Overrunning their defense did though.

Park isn't suitable for counter attacking football? This goal popped into my head immediately.
YouTube - CL 2008 09 Manchester United vs Arsenal Ronaldo Goal16 05 09

Also note Rooney getting into space in order to play in Ronaldo.
 
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i seriously suspect klash/jimmy being connected to Konami somehow. they're always coming out to defend the game, even to the point that it makes no sense. player runs were so normal in old-gen pes?!
 
Can someone please explain to me how through balls work in this game, it's really annoying me - I seem to never be able to make a through pass to a player nearby, instead the CPU sends the pass to the player furthest up field. Is it not possible to make a short-medium range through pass?

Also, is there a way to do a knock-on like the R3 flick in FIFA?
 
Yes, there is a gamebreaking flaw with the demo, it is extremely easy to find and prove, it only takes a second. If you don't think it's true then you don't know how to do this, try this it's very easy:

Posted on PESGAMING:

proofreeder said:
If anyone able to contact the creators of PES11 reads this, I urge you to pass on this feedback. This is a blatantly obvious flaw that breaks the game.

To find the flaw, please do this:

Get the ball in the opposition corner with only one man on you. Now dribble up and down the touchline without run. As long as you are not doubleteamed, you can move up and down as much as you like.

This flaw can also be used a lot in the actual game. The Cat, who initially brought the flaw to our attention, can score goals nearly at will using this. Doing the above is the easiest way to point out the flaw IMO, because it shows how ignorant and powerless the defender is to stop a controlled (ie without holding run) dribble.

The philosophies of football in PES11 are not right and haven't been since PES5. Your enforced punishments for turning sharply while running isn't correct.

In real football it is easy for a player to accelerate and turn with a long first touch, but you also punish them severly for this with a "glitchy", laggy run for a few milliseconds before bursting into a run. It is easy to turn and accelerate from a stationary position, the difficult thing is turning at a high velocity quickly while maintaining momentum. PES11 confuses the two. PES5 understood this but PES11 does not.

IMO the misunderstanding of fundamental philosophies of football means you've had to restrict or retard use of the run to such a drastic point, you've had to give too much power to the non-run dribble to compensate.

Here are some extracts kindly collected by The Cat from a few of us already aware of the flaw whereby defenders will not tackle a non-running dribbler when they only have single coverage:

"@Proofreader & Kaiser – Thanks for taking the time to look into this current gamebreaker. KONAMI need to address it immediately. I doubt they will though, Im pretty sure Jon Murphy has come out and said the demo is final code. (So changes of any note are very unlikely to happen)

HOPE YOU DONT MIND BUT IVE POSTED YOUR MESSAGES AGAIN IN THE HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL SIT UP AND LISTEN.

The Cat – MASSIVE BUG – Run down the wing without pressing R1 (No one will tackle you) Cross the ball into the box (No one will block you) and get a goal scoring opportunity 3/5 times. THIS IS SHOCKING!

Proofreader – @ The Cat – When I read your comment I thought I’d give it a go. At first I couldn’t make it work, but then one time with Puyol against Robben (I was Puyol) Robben kept backing up and backing up all the way down the pitch to ridiculous proportions.

I tried to figure out if this was a one off or something consistent and I found when I had the ball in the corner flag, I could stroll up and down the wing all day, up and back, up and back, and the defender would NEVER tackle me, just like you stated.

Anyone who doesn’t believe The Cat, do this (on top player). Get a player into the opposition corner, then, without even touching run, jog along the sideline up and back, as long as you stay against the line. It doesn’t work when there is a double team or if you press run.

The defence plays it way too safe by refusing to even go for the ball because they get beaten so easily without run.

I wanted to love this game, it felt a lot better in certain circumstances but if this is the final code it’s clearly broken, and badly, which is so annoying because they’ve done some things really well.

Anyone who bags me because they think I’m hating, well, just try what The Cat mentioned, if you’re half competent you should be able to pull this off no worries.

Kaiser – @The Cat – Dammit it is broken (dribble down the line and no-one tackles you) – I can’t believe it as I had such high hopes and was really enjoying the demo.

I can confirm that not only does this exploit work down the line but you can basically walk into the 18yard box as long as a 2nd player does not join in the tackle i.e 1 on 1 – the CPU will not tackle you!!!!!"

I just don't understand how this could happen after having so long after the near perfect PES5 to improve the game, we have been starved for a brilliant football game for so long.

Please fix this before it's too late, although I'm guessing it's probably too late already isn't it? We want to buy a game that's a challenge and can't be beating by just strolling down the field, you've had so many years after PES5 to create this but we are left continually heartbroken.
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I've written a lot more about it on PESGAMING and have endeavoured to contact Konami, but it is definitely there, the more people aware about it the better IMO. If you want to read more about it, including video, look at The Cat's posts and the threads I have started recently on PESGAMING.
 
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