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PES 2011 Discussion thread

Trailer looking very good, nice animations, kits, colors

Is there sound in the trailer? I cannot hear it either on pes site, or on youtube?

Some of the keeper animations and saves looks strange to be honest.

And those nets..

focus was this year on The stone heads of Easter Island
,baseball caps, barrels..
 
103SpooKy said:
Yeh but this Ronaldo freekick isnt with the wobble. it is a newly implented freekick where the ball doesn´t have any spin at all or curve and it will go straight. I remember Jon saying you need to time your buttons to do that and its not that easy. you could do the wobble freekick in earlier PES versions already.
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yeah the video i posted wasnt so good of a example, but you can clearly see the ball (in the pes2011 new trailer)
going a straight line and at the last sec. it curvs a bit 2 the left makin it almost impossible for a keeper 2 make a save
 
Awesome write up Jimmy, PES6 still wasn't better than PES5 though.

I just don't know what to do with myself anymore, lastnight I even went so far as to try the Beta again....sad but true. I may have to play PES2010 again this weekend.
 
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dmxdex2020 said:
lol even in that trailer their are suspect goalkeeping. The keeper should of saved ronaldo's freekick.
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I dont agree. Look at again, closely, he has the angle covered, his positioning is sound, then it bends at the last minute and away from his hands. His animation is that of a keeper taking the shot right above his head, hence his arms outstretched, the ball ends to the keepers right. The whole scenario is highlighting the drastic swerve of the ball. And lets not forget the pace of a Ronaldo free-kick. The keeper barely has time to blink never mind re-adjust. The best part is the keepers bemused look as he shoots a glance to his right to see the ball fly in, with a look of WTF just happened ? :LOL:


Joe,

I booted up my PS2 last night and it's screwed, the power lead connection is goosed, so I cant try PES 5 or WE6FE. :(

Matt,

I dont think I have my Xbox Live account anymore as I cancelled my credit card. I played it using my sons account. That maybe an option though.

By the sounds of it, the demo sounds very close. :)
 
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seems like everyone's saying pes2011 is better than pes6. that is a welcome change for me, no doubt. i'm geting a ps3 specifically to try out the new pes. just got really bored of old-gen graphics, but i'll probably always boot pes6 into any pc/laptop that I have no doubt.

there's a reason why the pes6 community/forum here is so much more alive than their pes2009/2010 counterparts.

bring on pes2011, i'm ready to move on this time.
 
Rooney10 said:
seems like everyone's saying pes2011 is better than pes6. that is a welcome change for me, no doubt. i'm geting a ps3 specifically to try out the new pes. just got really bored of old-gen graphics, but i'll probably always boot pes6 into any pc/laptop that I have no doubt.

there's a reason why the pes6 community/forum here is so much more alive than their pes2009/2010 counterparts.

bring on pes2011, i'm ready to move on this time.
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I'm sorry but I want to burst out laughing when I read this, people who haven't experienced even the beta are in for a treat I tell you. To me it's like comparing Megan Fox to Maggie Gyllenhall.
 
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zeemeister said:
I'm sorry but I want to burst out laughing when I read this, people who haven't experienced even the beta are in for a treat I tell you. To me it's like comparing Megan Fox to Maggie Gyllenhall.
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we'll see after the game comes out. sorry but Konami have screwed up the past 3 years, they shouldn't receive that much optimism. but bring it on like I said, I'll be waiting on the list.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
To be fair, you couldnt be further from the truth. Satnik/Cro, is without question easily one of the best PES 2010 players I have ever faced. His football is the purest bar none. He doesnt even know where the sprint button is and averages almost 180-200 passes per game, one of the very highest on PEEL. I have played him in over 50 games, and it's death by passing. He went unbeaten in his first season on PEEL against some very good and fair players, and was lying second in the league before the beta hit.. He knows how to play PES 2010 as much as anyone, as far as I'm concerned, and he does it with 3rd rate teams, which is even harder.

We both know how to play PES 2010, it was the only game we ever played. I agree with you, PES 2010 for me was the best to date, I have no doubt about that, and your right it is for the hardcore. Over 90 minutes the scorelines, chances on goal, completed 'Premier League' passes etc, all replicate the real game very well. Like I have said previously, I was happy to see 5 attempted through-balls to be incomplete, just to see the magical one complete. From a realism, simulation perspective, it's accurate. And I do understand what Konami where trying to achieve, it is the most hardcore PES ever in my book. We both know of its qualities.

The problem is once you have experienced the freedom of PES 2011, and grasped the concept, and shook off the PES 10 habits, you can play a game of football that you have never been able to previously. It's a different type of game, and after all these years of almost playing the same type of way, this is fresh, new, and very appealing. Trying to go back to PES 10 after 11 is very hard, you have acclimatised to a whole new ball-game, a new outlook, and then PES 2010 can seem very frustrating.

It didnt help our first game back was a 2v2 tournament. The pace was alot faster, you had two players pressuring you, and it all felt very rushed.It become frustrating when things we have learnt from 2011 were simply not working. We also played lads from PEEL who hadnt played the beta, so were still played the PES 10 way, which made it harder. Satnik/Cro is a massive PES fan, never played Fifa, it doesnt appeal to him for the same reasons it doesnt appeal to me. He has also been a huge supporter of the series on here for 7 years, and never has a bad word to say about the game. But we were both just being honest in our assessment.

I regret smashing my disc now, I would like to play a nice game of 1v1 with Satnik again, we have had some amazing games over the last year,and really enjoyed the experience. It was just a PES 2011 comedown, and the frustrations of not being able to do what we have experienced in the beta. Thats all.
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I understand and can see where you guys are coming from. You're right you shouldn't have smashed the disc though, it'll be an even more agonizing wait till 2011!

As mentioned I'll probably be getting a PS3 bundle with Gran Turismo 5 and I'll make sure I pick up another copy of PES because PEEL sounds awesome :)
 
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Reading Jim write about the excellence of pes2011 passing system may be better than playing the game lol. It does make me wish the demo would come out sooner though
 
in any case, about the pes vs we debate, which of the games will you guys be getting? i'm aware that WE is released slightly later?

additionally, were option files released for WE by the community here at all? I tried looking through PES2010 forum here and I couldn't find any at all!
 
FreMM said:
Are you a goalkeeper on professional level?
Did you ever had to save a freekick taken by Ronaldo?


Nuff said:BOP:
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Nuff said it was down his throat. A number of goals in that trailer should be saves. I wont go into it though hopefully this six difficulty makes the keepers very good. I just dont want to go against comical goalkeeper got fed up of that over the years with pes. Just want some solid keepers this year.
 
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Also a very good and in depth write up comparing the 3 games Jimmy. I always thought that PES 6 took the more arcadey approach, too many people complained that PES 5 was too hard and defensive with the advantage being given to the defenders, making you work hard to create space, too strict with the referees which made you time your tackling to the nth degree etc.

But that's exactly what made it brilliant!

So seabass said he'd take the series back to its attacking roots with PES 6, and obviously it was also an attempt to branch out from the hardcore and sell more copies to the casual players. It was strange because there were so many gameplay improvements over 5 (PS2 versions), things like fluidity and lots of neat little touches, but the speed of the game, the dribble speed and dribble accuracy seemed to have been put on fast forward, which for me spoilt the game, especially online :(

Also on the PS2 there were the usual lag problems but after a while it just became completely smooth, as in pretty much no lag whatsoever, even 2vs2. How did it degenerate Konami, time to spend that dosh on some dedicated servers!

They had reached their peak with that engine on the PS2, understandably the animations/ball physics etc were really amazing for its time but FIFA seized on this and prepared their next gen engine earlier, and were able to get a headstart while the PES team were playing catchup (and probably becoming complacent too) with PES 2008. 2009 was definitely an improvement (albeit flawed), things such as the first touch, d-pad dribbling and weighted ball physics being added which paved the way for the masterpiece that was 10, unfortunately FIFA had moved on and had started pulling away the hardcore from PES, which was quite an achievement.

2010 as mentioned was amazing but very hard to get into, a lot of people had already lost patience and either didn't bother with it or give it enough time. If it had the animation level of FIFA then it would be clear to see which game was better. But give me gameplay and tactical depth over animations any day, if a compromise had to be made.

I think the hardcore will come back though, because 2011 is awesome, and actually looking better than FIFA visually (as in animation improvement and the visual feel of a football match) if you simply put the two games side by side without playing them, just as the comparison video did.

Having been online the past few days and occasionally during the beta the numbers have swelled suddenly, meaning there's a buzz around PES again :)
 
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Hi guys i have played pes 5 to 2010 today to try and see how its changed. i played 1 hour on each game.
From what i played it seemed pes 6 on xbox 360 best simulated football. pes 5 was very arcadey with things like the stop and go tactic and the shot fake and the lack of individuality between players when it comes to their control and first touch and dribbling ability.Pes 2008 was easily the worst pes game ever but this is because it seems that konami tried to add alot of player individuality and added a whole host on new animations but unfortunately these animations were very poor which meant lots of players moved unrealistically and for some reason with this new animation meant for some reason they had to change the ball physics which are the worst i have ever seen. Between pes 6 and 2008 they must have tried a new animation system or something maybe graphical because the graphical change is huge between these to games and maybe this is why in this new engine the game changed so drastically. Pes 2009 was a good attempt at trying to rectify the worst football game ever. But with that the individuality was again increased greatly this was a big change for me as i could feel the definitive touches between ronaldo and ferdinand. But again this game has poor ai and animations. Finally pes 2010 the animations which didnt actually change much blossomed under the new graphics engine which made them look better than what they are even though they are still really bad. But this game has more player individuality than any over by a long way especially when it comes to first touch and general control every player felt different.
In this small essay i focused on individuality because it is the biggest change i felt when playing through each game.
I want you all to try this and see what you see but from what i have experienced it seems konami tried to input individuality to player movements into the game but their first proper attempt pes 2008 went horrendously badly. But pes 2010 reaped some of those rewards but from playing mlo beta they toned individuality down a bit but have greatly reaped the rewards of their first trial and now pes 2008.1 will be the best pes to date
 
shorty alien said:
Also a very good and in depth write up comparing the 3 games Jimmy. I always thought that PES 6 took the more arcadey approach, too many people complained that PES 5 was too hard and defensive with the advantage being given to the defenders, making you work hard to create space, too strict with the referees which made you time your tackling to the nth degree etc.

But that's exactly what made it brilliant!

So seabass said he'd take the series back to its attacking roots with PES 6, and obviously it was also an attempt to branch out from the hardcore and sell more copies to the casual players. It was strange because there were so many gameplay improvements over 5 (PS2 versions), things like fluidity and lots of neat little touches, but the speed of the game, the dribble speed and dribble accuracy seemed to have been put on fast forward, which for me spoilt the game, especially online :(

Also on the PS2 there were the usual lag problems but after a while it just became completely smooth, as in pretty much no lag whatsoever, even 2vs2. How did it degenerate Konami, time to spend that dosh on some dedicated servers!

They had reached their peak with that engine on the PS2, understandably the animations/ball physics etc were really amazing for its time but FIFA seized on this and prepared their next gen engine earlier, and were able to get a headstart while the PES team were playing catchup (and probably becoming complacent too) with PES 2008. 2009 was definitely an improvement (albeit flawed), things such as the first touch, d-pad dribbling and weighted ball physics being added which paved the way for the masterpiece that was 10, unfortunately FIFA had moved on and had started pulling away the hardcore from PES, which was quite an achievement.

2010 as mentioned was amazing but very hard to get into, a lot of people had already lost patience and either didn't bother with it or give it enough time. If it had the animation level of FIFA then it would be clear to see which game was better. But give me gameplay and tactical depth over animations any day, if a compromise had to be made.

I think the hardcore will come back though, because 2011 is awesome, and actually looking better than FIFA visually (as in animation improvement and the visual feel of a football match) if you simply put the two games side by side without playing them, just as the comparison video did.

Having been online the past few days and occasionally during the beta the numbers have swelled suddenly, meaning there's a buzz around PES again :)
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Great post, agree totally.

Still, when they say win back the Hardcore, I consider myself, and the others that have never ventured away from PES, by definition, hardcore. Thats what we are. Maybe they meant hard core, as in two seperate words, that would suit better.

On the plus side, I just soldered my PS2 wire and got it working. I tried PES 5 but the disc is bloody scratched and it wont play. I then tried PES 6, and it certainly doesnt suit my 50" HD T.V., its blurry as hell, even with a component cable. And the sound is analogue, Booo !!

Anyway, I smiled when it booted up, with my memory card in, and Sally Cinnamon by the Stone Roses blasted out on the front screen. Then the Champions League music, followed by my own stadium announcers, then Clive Tyldesley and Andy Gray commentating, courtesy of the sensational Nack Fifa patch. Brilliant. It played the same as the Xbox 360 version to me, didnt really notice much different apart from the visuals were alot poorer.

As for PES 5, I'll always liken that to PES 2010, same hardcore tendancies that will suit the 'hardcore', but probably put everyone else off.
 
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mancan said:
Hi guys i have played pes 5 to 2010 today to try and see how its changed. i played 1 hour on each game.
From what i played it seemed pes 6 on xbox 360 best simulated football. pes 5 was very arcadey with things like the stop and go tactic and the shot fake and the lack of individuality between players when it comes to their control and first touch and dribbling ability.Pes 2008 was easily the worst pes game ever but this is because it seems that konami tried to add alot of player individuality and added a whole host on new animations but unfortunately these animations were very poor which meant lots of players moved unrealistically and for some reason with this new animation meant for some reason they had to change the ball physics which are the worst i have ever seen. Between pes 6 and 2008 they must have tried a new animation system or something maybe graphical because the graphical change is huge between these to games and maybe this is why in this new engine the game changed so drastically. Pes 2009 was a good attempt at trying to rectify the worst football game ever. But with that the individuality was again increased greatly this was a big change for me as i could feel the definitive touches between ronaldo and ferdinand. But again this game has poor ai and animations. Finally pes 2010 the animations which didnt actually change much blossomed under the new graphics engine which made them look better than what they are even though they are still really bad. But this game has more player individuality than any over by a long way especially when it comes to first touch and general control every player felt different.
In this small essay i focused on individuality because it is the biggest change i felt when playing through each game.
I want you all to try this and see what you see but from what i have experienced it seems konami tried to input individuality to player movements into the game but their first proper attempt pes 2008 went horrendously badly. But pes 2010 reaped some of those rewards but from playing mlo beta they toned individuality down a bit but have greatly reaped the rewards of their first trial and now pes 2008.1 will be the best pes to date
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Paragraphs! Learn to use them please!

What you wrote didn't make much sense!
 
Isslander said:
Game looks phenomenal in that trailer. But why they would want to show that awful keeper mistake in the freekick at 0.38 is beyond me.
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Only just seen the video, but just to echo what Jimmy (I think) said - that wasn't a mistake.

Did anybody notice the shot at 0:34 where the foot doesn't touch the ball? That's the sort of thing Konami need to sort out when it comes to animations. They had the IK added in this year to improve most of this but it's still extremely annoying when you concede a goal that the striker didn't even hit, or the opposition keeper saves a shot he didn't reach.
 
Yeah what I meant was a lot of the hardcore have always stayed with PES, but some have left.

I was one of them when I left for FIFA 09. Although I had only really stopped playing the PS2 version of PES 08 because of the frustrating lag (played the PC demo of 2008, wasn't impressed so I got the PS2 version), and had never really taken the (at the time) improving FIFA and its review scores seriously.

Stumbling upon FIFA 08, I could see that the game had seen a rebirth, taking some of the things that made PES work and developing a next gen animation system, and a sim oriented gameplay approach. It was months to the release of FIFA 09 so I waited out, loved that game for a long time, amazed at the animations and how real the whole thing looked; learned to play fully manual and played in a fully manual league (using the mighty Catania and Hamburg!) with Klashman, tmills85 from fifasoccerblog, DOAKappaTango, Honome etc., heck I think even Rommagnolli might have been there too before I eventually got fed up with it, its flaws becoming glaringly obvious over time.

FIFA 10 was the same, and after I'd gotten hold of the PES 2010 demo, being underwhelmed at first then impressed, I haven't really looked back.
 
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I know this is the console area of the forum, but the PC thread for this game is dead, and well they are essentially the same game.

So I have a question for the savy ones

Will a quad core, with six gigs of Ram but a NVIDIA GeForce 8600GS 512MB DDR2.

Will that be enough to play this game?
 
jcvf90 said:
I know this is the console area of the forum, but the PC thread for this game is dead, and well they are essentially the same game.

So I have a question for the savy ones

Will a quad core, with six gigs of Ram but a NVIDIA GeForce 8600GS 512MB DDR2.

Will that be enough to play this game?
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:CONFUSE:

My PS3 is powered by a G-Force if that helps ? :CONFUSE:
 
jcvf90 said:
I know this is the console area of the forum, but the PC thread for this game is dead, and well they are essentially the same game.

So I have a question for the savy ones

Will a quad core, with six gigs of Ram but a NVIDIA GeForce 8600GS 512MB DDR2.

Will that be enough to play this game?
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It will run just like PES 2010.
 
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