Re: PES 2009 News Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA DEMO IMPRESSIONS OR POLITICAL CHA
Bump mapping is a beautiful technique but actually it do not cast shadow nor produce better light reflection than real geometry. Also bump mapping is really working only with polygons facing toward the camera, the more the polygons are not facing the camera the less the bump mapping work. As an example if you are looking the front of a cube you will never see a "bump" on the sides.
For these reasons bump mapping is commonly used only for small details and all games are using it (yes even fifa)
I agree with you that it is not really a technological advancement, its more an improvement, like higher resolution textures or higher definition video, its the same technology but it looks better.
But its not a matter of an efficent or a scalable technology its simply the fact that as Seabass said there are not enough people working on PES for this next generation. As i said why Metal gear solid 4 of Konami don't use this advanced technology and it uses a more complex geometry? simply because they had more money and time to make MGS4.
if you want here you can see a mesh of a fifa face:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpU7wxkNNI/AAAAAAAAAGk/JtP1rGNIT6w/s1600-h/Benzema_Poster.jpg
In the end now that the hardware is more powerful you can have a modeled ear instead of just a circle with a texture over it. Bump mapping is always good for small details and also fifa uses it but you have to decide what you consider a small detail, for fifa small details are the little bumps on the human skin while for PES the small details are hears and cheeks.
As for the worst results i think that while PES has more player looking quite good the most famous players are better in fifa. (but konami you have screwed Panucci and de Rossi, damn you )
And in the end again i dont even care about faces in a soccer game but don't tell me that only seabass discovered this beautiful technology.
Nothing personal mate, we both love PES (but i disagree i prefer WE )
The answer is: when the face with more geometry is properly done it looks a lot better (and fifa has just the big player properly done), but again i don't think it is really a necessity in a soccer game.
Bump mapping is a beautiful technique but actually it do not cast shadow nor produce better light reflection than real geometry. Also bump mapping is really working only with polygons facing toward the camera, the more the polygons are not facing the camera the less the bump mapping work. As an example if you are looking the front of a cube you will never see a "bump" on the sides.
For these reasons bump mapping is commonly used only for small details and all games are using it (yes even fifa)
I never said that PES faces are not 3d, i just said that fifa's faces are using a lot more polygons, and that in the future probably konami will have the same problems EA had in theese years to realize faces with more geometry.
As i said you can't really reuse texture on a more complex geometry, but the fact remain, if pes wants to start making faces the fifa way they are gonna need a lot of time. And beleive me sooner or later they are going to use more complex geometry, otherwise i do not understand why games like Gears of war or movies like shrek are not using this very advanced technology of konami with less polygons and less work.
Its stronger than me i disagree with you even when you sat that we disagree
I agree with you that it is not really a technological advancement, its more an improvement, like higher resolution textures or higher definition video, its the same technology but it looks better.
But its not a matter of an efficent or a scalable technology its simply the fact that as Seabass said there are not enough people working on PES for this next generation. As i said why Metal gear solid 4 of Konami don't use this advanced technology and it uses a more complex geometry? simply because they had more money and time to make MGS4.
if you want here you can see a mesh of a fifa face:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpU7wxkNNI/AAAAAAAAAGk/JtP1rGNIT6w/s1600-h/Benzema_Poster.jpg
In the end now that the hardware is more powerful you can have a modeled ear instead of just a circle with a texture over it. Bump mapping is always good for small details and also fifa uses it but you have to decide what you consider a small detail, for fifa small details are the little bumps on the human skin while for PES the small details are hears and cheeks.
As for the worst results i think that while PES has more player looking quite good the most famous players are better in fifa. (but konami you have screwed Panucci and de Rossi, damn you
)And in the end again i dont even care about faces in a soccer game but don't tell me that only seabass discovered this beautiful technology.
Nothing personal mate, we both love PES (but i disagree i prefer WE
)
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