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Gelson Fernandes(Leicester City)---> (Udinese)
Jean-Alain Fanchone(AC Arles-Avignon)---> (Udinese)
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S-NipE said:
Just two more players for Wolfsburg? Really, Volkswagen is a bunch of assh0les. Firing workers on the one hand to save money and giving this idiot Magath millions and millions on the other hand to buy player after player. Really awesome mentality over there...
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It is indeed unethical to fire workers and spend it on football players. We will never know the long term effects of all this (i.e. Wolfsburg doing very well, Volkswagen getting loads of publicity, selling more cars and being able to provide more jobs and it might be that the firing of the workers is due to globalisation and lower wages in other countries, and thus that spending money on football or not would have no effect on firing or not firing workers...). I can see where your coming from (i remember a similar situation in at Undines were the president bought Zico and then his factory went bankrupt, hunderd's of workers loosing their job) and i sort of agree. On the other side your reasoning is a litle bit simplistic.

Magath and idiot? Could be, but in football terms and especially in Wolfsburg terms he is far from an idiot... he made them champion.

I think you simply don't like Wolfsburg. I why do so many people don't like Wolfsburg, Offenheim, Chelsea, Man City? Because they are threatening to the big traditional clubs. Football needs more of those clubs (and the model that attracts me most is the Offenheim model although Wolfsburg are my favourite German club).

But i have to admit that upon reading all those post about transfer to Wolfsburg my first reaction was that it's not good to transfer so many players and that the club has lost track after winning the Meisterbokal...
 
Wolfsburg are crazy! Constantly buying players, I mean how many is that in January alone?!!?!

This team needs time to gel. They already had too many transfers in and out in summer and that's why they had a poor start.

Volskwagen is too ambitious and at the same time impatient! I just hope they don't fire Magath because it's only a matter of time before he brings them back up the table given the resources and the squad.

But c'mon now, calling Felix Magath an idiot just because he's doing poorly right now?! That's just wrong! The man's resume speaks for itself and though he's done poorly in the past 18 months or so, he remains one of the top German coaches and probably in the world!
 
i wouldn't say that wolfsburg is going crazy and i wouldn't say magath is an idiot, but i would definetly say magath is going crazy.

here some stats of HIS transfers:
i have not taken into account the players coming from youth or 2nd team - neither as a new one or when a player was moved into second team !!

during his time in Stuttgart (4 years from 2000 - 2004):
new players: 26 players
players left: 38 players

last 1,5 half years he was coach + manager in this period 12 new players, while 11 players left stuttgart

during his time at bayern munich (3 years from 2004 - 2007):
new players: 12 players
players left: 18 players

here uli hoeness was the manager and magath only the coach.

1st time in wolfsburg (2 years from 2007 - 2009) as coach and manager
new players: 30 players
players left: 37 players

during his time in schalke (nearly 2 years from 2009 - 2011) as coach and manager
new players: 31 players
players left: 28 players


2nd time in wolfsburg (1/2 year from 2011 - 2012) as coach and manager
new players: 19 players
players left: 14 players

you can see he was going totally mad after his time at bayern munich!
in the last 4,5 years he grabbed 80 new players while 79 had to leave the clubs. this is insane, especially the current situation in wolfsburg within the last 6-8 month...
 
@gerd: It is not a question about liking Magath or not, but this way to handle a football team destroys every club sooner or later. I am not a big fan of Wolfsburg, but not because of Magath or VW, I simply don't like the club itself. But the same goes for many other (German) clubs, I don't like Hamburg or Hertha for example, but cannot give arguments, why. Simply a feeling from the inside. And the fact that Wolfsburg won the title that year wasn't really because they were strong, it was more due to the fact that the rest of league was really weak in the second part of the season.

For the "traditional clubs": To be honest, I give a sh*t about this term as I hate the word "tradition" itself, it is simply stupid to do something, "because we always did". I just think using money from the economy shouldn't be pumped (and surely not in such large sums) into football (players). There are many many much more important problems in the world, but seeing what happens over at City or Wolfsburg is a disgrace. By the way, I'd recommend to take Hoffenheim from this list, in my eyes they are really the victim of propaganda. They are not some club I like, but they aren't buying the whole world elite of player to play at their stadium. Dietmar Hopp's only larger transfer was Babel and the rest were younger players that didn't cost that much, in this case I really think it is jealous behaviour of other fans.

@PLF: I don't think VW is too ambitious, I mean they are sponsoring this club since they founded it, that isn't a question about ambitions. It is just the fact that Magath buys and buys and buys and VW gives him the money for this, that is what I criticize. And we7god's lists shows pretty clear that Magath isn't something what can be called a conservative trading coach. To be honest: Most of Magath's titles were won with Bayern and we know he didn't buy there so much as in recent times. What did he win since leaving Munich? One title with Wolfsburg and that's it. That is nothing to call him a "top coach".
 
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When you're not at Bayern, you're not really supposed to be winning titles in Germany anyway. It's certainly not guaranteed and definitely not with the Wolfsburg team he won it with which had some very good players but some mediocre ones too. So to have only won 1 Bundesliga title in 4 years since leaving Bayern and for a much lesser team is hardly anything to be put down for or ashamed, it IS an accomplishment.

In regards to the massive amount of players bought by Magath, I fully agree. He buys a lot of them, too many of them and the worst part is MANY are just VERY AVERAGE players. Kyrgiakos this summer is one example and my own compatriot Ali Karimi was another last year at Schalke. Karimi had huge problems at Bayern and couldn't but it in Germany even in his prime, but for Felix to bring him back to Bundesliga last year when he's even past his prime and doesn't have the pace he used to was a JOKE in my opinion. So I don't like a lot of the players he buys and agree his judgment doesn't seem to be the best.

But other than that, I can't fault him for much. He remains a very good coach and one of the most respected in German football. Whether many Bayern fans want to admit or not. And of course he did quite well with Bayern. Better than some others have fared.

In regards to Volskwagen, yes they've owned Wolfsburg for years but it's only in recent years that they've really bumped up their ambition. Nowadays they WANT to be challenging at the very top of the table. Less than 4-5 years ago, that wasn't the case and in fact not long before that, they were happy just to stay in Bundesliga. They've definitely grown more ambitious and more willing to invest as the years have gone by and want to establish themselves as one of the top German clubs which isn't easy to do as it's got a small fan-base and it's hardly a big club and very little tradition/history. But they are slowly but surely trying to change that...
 
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interesting discoussion, more better to continue in Bundesliga thread ;)

however i think despite the many transfers, Bundesliga is one of the leagues where the champions chainge more often than in Spain, Italy or England..the league is more competitive...big teams can´t be sure about anything...well maybe except Bayern..
 
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Pontus Wernbloom (AZ Alkmaar) -> CSKA Moscow

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Shame, he was one of our best players.
 
Hahaha he got me excited for no reason too!! I was like what Honda at Liverpool!?! Yayy.. and then I realized. :/
 
DamjanStefanov said:
Yes, I meant that I am disappointed with him leaving. :P

CSKA got a bargain. 3 mill. is not a lot for him.
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Oh, clear ... :P About the price of transfer, I agree with you AZ received out too little for such a classy player as Wernbloom, so I also think that this transfer has been very beneficial for CSKA. Well, now let's see how it will play in Russia and how it fit into the conditions that we have in the championship, but it seems to me that it would fit very quickly because he is a very good player is able to bury a hole in the team in center field (where CSKA were really a big problem). Good luck to him in the new club! :TU:

PLF said:
Hahaha he got me excited for no reason too!! I was like what Honda at Liverpool!?! Yayy.. and then I realized. :/
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Analogically! :D
 
Darnel Situ (Lens) ---> Swansea City (£250,000)

We tried to sign him back in August but FIFA refused international clearance because the deal wasn't completed in that transfer window (we also tried to sign Halliche from Fulham on loan at the same time but that was also refused international clearance).
 
Ludovic Obraniak (Lille) ---> Girondins de Bordeaux (3 years - Shirt number 4)
Evaeverson Lemos da Silva Brandão (Gremio) ---> Olympique de Marseille (Back for loan)
 
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