Manchester United Thread

Blaming Clattenburg alone is delusion.

I've heard a Dutch pundit about LVG.
At every club or other job ( Last Holland job) where he was overachieving, he had a very difficult start. He searches for a plan B and that is the key to future success (for example bringing in Thomas Muller, Alaba and other youth at Bayern).

I'm pretty sure it will all come good.

Agree and disagree. Penalties change matches, and 2 of their goals came from penalties that shouldn't have been given. You can't just ignore that in the context of the match. It's the reason that for football to ever be a 'fair' sport decided by the athletes rather than the ref, we need replays on all penalty decisions. Nothing in pro team sports changes a result more than pens in football, and the system at present is arbitrary.

United should have had a pen each against S'land and Burnley. Clear pens too, but you also see them not given. Had we got those two and not got the two incorrectly against Leicester, we could potentially be almost at the top of the table. That's how big those 4, 2-second decisions are.

Other option is take away penalties for sh*t like Vardy's foul. If the player isn't actually in a position to score, then give an indirect free kick. That would partly solve the problem.

But for me the sport is almost broken at the moment. So many matches are being determined by one goal from a penalty, and you never know when you'll get a penalty. Good example - watch Ryan Shawcross 'mark' someone on corners. He literally bear hugs his opponent, and often tackles them to the ground. That's not a penalty. But touching big man Vardy when he himself initiates the contact is a penalty.

Basically refs have no f*cking clue. The powers that be should give them replays and clear instructions, and the sport will become more fair. At present the best tactic you can have to win a match is try to get in the box as often as possible, and go to ground as often as possible. There are teams doing this and succeeding. Not naming names, but one team in the prem last year had - on average - a penalty every 3 matches. That's more or less an extra goal every 3 games. That makes a HUGE difference. Were they all contentious? Absolutely not. Were lots of them in the 'seen them given' range? Absolutely.

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So in an update that will shock noone, here's the status of our first team centre backs:

Smalling - injured
Evans - injured
Jones - injured
Blackett - suspended
Rojo - never played a match at CB for us

So when we lose 4-3 to WHU and everyone blames LVG, at least keep in mind literally our entire defence is broken. As always.

We need to start only paying wages when players are fit. Those 3 'young' defenders are stealing a living.
 
So we're playing with one defender next? That's nuts.

Then we have no choice but to play fit ones from the reserve team.
 
Smalling, Jones and evans have always been injury prone and will continue to be so. No blame attached to them because some players are just like that. What irritates me is the fact no one seemed to identify this a major problem and actually recruiting centre backs in the summer.
 
----------------DDG--------------
-----Rafael-----Rojo----Shaw-----
-Valencia-----------------Di Maria--
----------Herrera-Blind----------
---------------Rooney------------
----------Falcao---RVP-----------

Looks secure!
 
Very unusual to have that many injured in the same position. I think the best form of a defense is possession and attack! Blind can play at the back w/ Rojo. Valencia n Ashely wing backs. Sussed! Oh I forgot about £27m Shaw. Where's the other £27m player Afro ?
 
Very unusual to have that many injured in the same position. I think the best form of a defense is possession and attack! Blind can play at the back w/ Rojo. Valencia n Ashely wing backs. Sussed! Oh I forgot about £27m Shaw. Where's the other £27m player Afro ?

Injured. Like Carrick too, otherwise I'd move Blind back there.
 
Being without almost all of your CBs would be unlucky at pretty much any other club. At Utd it's idiocy.

Hard to disagree. We've topped the injury league or been second (thanks Arsenal!) for the past 4 years.

We took a gamble on spending c. 15m on 'potential' in defenders who are English instead of spending 20m to buy 'ready' players, who are 24/25 and have shown an ability to actually play some football matches in a row each year.

And that gamble has backfired.

You can't football matches if you have to change your back 4 literally every match. Simply doesn't work that way.
 
I'd say we just go Hail Mary on West Ham. Or put RvP in defense. He s good at clearing balls and stronger than most of our actual defenders and gasp.. Much less injury prone.. Imagine that.
 
Never got why Thorpe wasn't the youth player promoted. He's been excellent for years, captained both the ressies and I believe the England U21s too. But never got a look in under Fergie/Moyes/Van Gaal to date.

Think he's a level above Blackett and M. Keane. Whether things will work for him in the prem, that's another question.

Hope to see players in their natural positions tomorrow: Rafa - Thorpe - Rojo - Shaw.

My worry would be that Smalling didn't break himself til Thursday, so unlikely Thorpe will have trained much with the first team :(
 
I like that LVG isn't putting square pegs in round holes, the chance for youth is a good thing.

Hopefully Thorpe has a good debut.
 
Never got why Thorpe wasn't the youth player promoted. He's been excellent for years, captained both the ressies and I believe the England U21s too. But never got a look in under Fergie/Moyes/Van Gaal to date.

Think he's a level above Blackett and M. Keane. Whether things will work for him in the prem, that's another question.

Hope to see players in their natural positions tomorrow: Rafa - Thorpe - Rojo - Shaw.

My worry would be that Smalling didn't break himself til Thursday, so unlikely Thorpe will have trained much with the first team :(

I like that LVG isn't putting square pegs in round holes, the chance for youth is a good thing.

Hopefully Thorpe has a good debut.
So my wish came true :D
 
Rooney single handedly denying Falcao another chance to get his first goal by forcing LVG to sub an attacker. :BORED:

Edit: FFS and now Herrera injured. Can't get a freaking break so far this season. Holding on to this will be critical for confidence imho.
 
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Hot Damn I can't take this shit. Come on.. :PRAY:

Thank God. Once again some seriously dubious reffing. Wtf was up with adding almost 2 min On top of the 4 min of official injury time?
 
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I think some of it was because of the delay for the free-kick where Adrián got carded for handball.
 
class Rooney does it again...why were the supporters celebrating Rooney`s send off? strange

he`ll miss Everton,Wesbrom n Chelsea :SHOCK:
 
class Rooney does it again...why were the supporters celebrating Rooney`s send off? strange

he`ll miss Everton,Wesbrom n Chelsea :SHOCK:

Hey should not have been cheered but in the crowds defense they probably weren't able to see the kick and thought it was yet another call against us.. Especially with the shit West ham sandwich pulled before it. It all happened quickly. And it was impossible for both ends to see what he did because of the distance and angle.

Not sure I'm happy about Mata now getting his chance to start. He won't add muscle like Rooney does but is more likely to compensate for a game like today where Di Maria wasn't in it.
 
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What an idiot that boy is sometimes. Not even a boy anymore, a 28 year old, highly paid captain of Manchester United.

No defending him from LVG, which is good to see. LVG has been a real gent to date, probably why we're not getting any decisions ;)

But, 30 minutes with 10 men against the hoofball of WHU with 3 debutants in defense - not bad.

Bad news is Herrera injured yet again. However between him and Di Maria I've finally sussed one of the mysteries of the premier league. What's that you ask?

Why do English players have a premium?

Because foreigners are allowed to be continually fouled and kicked pillar to post cause they're softies, whereas English players don't get that treatment. Herrera is almost top of hte 'fouled' charts and he's barely played this season! And Di Maria gets hacked every time he touches the ball.

And because they're soft foreigners, refs are clearly instructed to let them get used to the manly English game, and not actually punish them. That'll teach em.
 
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