Manchester United Thread

Ladies and gentlemen, the mind of Roy Keane:
“It was action; it was football. It was dog eats dog. I’ve kicked lots of players and I know the difference between hurting somebody and injuring somebody. I didn’t go to injure Haaland. When you play sport, you know how to injure somebody.

“There was no premeditation. I’d played against Haaland three or four times between the game against Leeds, in 1997, when I injured my cruciate and the game when I tackled him, in 2001, when he was playing for Manchester City. If I’d been this madman out for revenge, why would I have waited years for an opportunity to injure him?

“Was I going around for years thinking: ’I’m going to get him, I’m going to get him.’? No. Was he at the back of my mind? Of course he was. Like Rob Lee was, like David Batty was, like Alan Shearer was, like Patrick Vieira was. All these players were in the back of my mind: ’If I get a chance I’m going to fucking hit you, of course I am.’

“Haaland finished the game and played four days later, for Norway. A couple of years later he tried to claim that he’d had to retire because of the tackle. He was going to sue me. It was a bad tackle but he was still able to play four days later.”

“Looking back at it now, I’m disappointed in the other Manchester City players. They didn’t jump in to defend their team-mate. I know that if someone had done that to a United player, I’d have been right in there. They probably thought he was a prick, too.”
 
Biggest creep and idiot ever on a pitch. I absolutely hated him and i was Man Utd fan at the time.
I hope that his manager carreer ends soon enough.
Psycho's like him don't belong in football.

Beach reread your last post about Di Maria and then think about Roy Keane playing against Di Maria.
 
gerd said:
Biggest creep and idiot ever on a pitch. I absolutely hated him and i was Man Utd fan at the time.
I hope that his manager carreer ends soon enough.
Psycho's like him don't belong in football.

Beach reread your last post about Di Maria and then think about Roy Keane playing against Di Maria.
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I don't remember him ever going after players that didn't kind of go after him. He had a real issue with tough players being tough.

I can barely recall him going in to hurt any flair players. That wasn't really his style. He enjoyed the fight. I think he'd view kicking the crap out of a lithe winger as beneath him, unless the winger was starting something.

Could be wrong.
 
gerd said:
Biggest creep and idiot ever on a pitch. I absolutely hated him and i was Man Utd fan at the time.
I hope that his manager carreer ends soon enough.
Psycho's like him don't belong in football.

Beach reread your last post about Di Maria and then think about Roy Keane playing against Di Maria.
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Wow Gerd, dont expect that from you.

There arent many if any United supporters who didnt adore Keane when he pulled on a United shirt and captained the club. As with most of us we trusted SAF judgement and in Keanes final few years, which coincided with a transition for the club, he suffered from the batman syndrome "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain"

In fact I dont believe any United supporter of my generation who claims they hated keane, ive been going week in week out for over 20 years, and I only ever hear stuff like that when a player has left that particular club, like I said when he was kicked out we trusted SAF who himself hasnt been immune from United supporters saying things in the open at OT they wouldnt have been brave enough to say 2 years ago.

Football supporters (and other sports fans) are fickle at the best of times and some of the worst judges of character Ive ever seen. We forgive players we love for some outlandish borderline criminal behavior on the pitch, and when it comes to stuff that happens off the pitch we turn a blind eye, sometimes using a incredulous logic

" yeah he was/is an adulterous racist spouse beating misogynistic cocaine addicted match fixing alcoholic who has been accused of raping women and has a history of violence and other tendencies that fit the profile of a sociopath, but he's a great football player "

Gerd you say Psychos like Keane dont belong in football, well I disagree, some times it appears that sport in general is perfect outlet for them.
 
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Hi Vann, your post moves me (you know damn well that your one of my favourites on this forum).

And maybe you are right with your last sentence...i even use football in my professional life that way.

So i guess it's only fair that i admit that i'm biased. I never liked Keane. He was one of the reasons i suddenly didn't like United anymore...(and i was a fan since being a litle kid, i'm one of the very few people here who actually saw players like Charlton, Law and Best, albeit only on television).

Forget that last post, shouldn't have posted it. I apologize. I was exagerating.


PS: not that i suddenly like him now ;-)
 
I'm one of those that liked Keane when he was performing well for us. hahaha, Once he started going down in performance level, his ugly side started bothering me more and I was actually happy that he left.

But We're always biased to the players that perform well on the pitch. I know so many fans that just turn a blind eye to Suarez biting, Cantona kicking, Keane's nasty fouls, etc...that's what fans are I guess.

On another note though, he is a great Captain. Because of his toughness and willingness to defend his team-mates, he's a great leader to look up to and know that if he's on your side, he will always have your back so you can go out and do anything...that i still admire of him. Not many captains are like that anymore.
 
yet, fans boo some of their own players. Its frown upon whether you supporter them or show your disgust towards them.
 
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I dont really buy into anything Keane says anymore. The Haaland incident aside, he was everything that was needed in a captains role and leadership on the pitch. I wish there was more players like that in today's game

Imagine if a fully primed Keane was captain last season! Good God!
 
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Well most of it in way because it was little more than the BBC giving him air time to publicly state that he is looking for a job and promote himself. There wasn't a single critical questions in the interview. It was so one sided. Not a single question about tactics, football style, translation of his methods to those players etc. Just that the squad needed rebuilding and poor Dave didn't get the money LvG has gotten.

But specifically when they asked him to list his qualities, can't remember them but it came to a point when he had said quiet a few and there was a short silence in which you expected the interviewer to continue and then he went on again listing some more qualities.

He didn't actually say anything particularly bad or weird but the the whole atmosphere during the interview and that list of qualities was terrible imo. But maybe it reminded me of Hodgson and how both of these managers have shown to not be up to the task of managing big clubs that need attacking/progressive football and yet there are never any critical questions later on and everything crap about their management at the respective clubs gets ignored.

Oh well, good luck to him. Decent guy from what I have read.
 
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He's a decent bloke i imagine, he's just not cut out for that level, he even sounds clueless and still doesn't understand what went wrong which is a bit sad but underlines he just doesn't get it.

Saying stuff like "I signed a deal for 6 years and even though we were losing I didn't see it(The Sacking) coming "
 
YoungGun_UK said:
He's a decent bloke i imagine, he's just not cut out for that level, he even sounds clueless and still doesn't understand what went wrong which is a bit sad but underlines he just doesn't get it.

Saying stuff like "I signed a deal for 6 years and even though we were losing I didn't see it(The Sacking) coming "
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there is a slight chance he has a gagging order and is unable to reveal too much into what happened (from his perspective)

I think United handled the whole season pretty bad, from appointing Moyes to sacking him. Yes he was culpable but it could have been that way for all but a select few of the very best managers, one of which United wanted but went to spain, one had returned to London and one was already in a job.

Hope Moyes gets back into the game soon.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
there is a slight chance he has a gagging order and is unable to reveal too much into what happened (from his perspective)

I think United handled the whole season pretty bad, from appointing Moyes to sacking him. Yes he was culpable but it could have been that way for all but a select few of the very best managers, one of which United wanted but went to spain, one had returned to London and one was already in a job.

Hope Moyes gets back into the game soon.
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What a class post.
IMO Moyes is a very good manager. Was a good while with United ? Perhaps not (but can we really evaluate him fairly with the limited information we have ? I doubt it).
The thing is that for most United fans, Moyes wasn't high profile enough. It is bullshit to write, but i will write it: every single manager would have failed after Ferguson. Ferguson is as much to blame as Moyes, if not more...

Both Hodgson and Moyes never got a fair chance. Liverpool fans still complain about Hodgson and yet they never mention Dalglish...Dalglish was worse than Hodgson, but Dalglish is a club icon, so his failure is forgotten.

I still think both Hodgson and Moyes are great managers.

Name me a manager who only had success ? You can't. (No, not even Ferguson, look at the sorry state he left the club).


On another note: Van Gaal is interested in Radja Nainggolan. Would be a great player for Arsenal, and perhaps also for United.
 
Not the Dalglish stuff again. He got the team playing top4 form when he came in, had the team playing great football. Then he and Commoli signed quiet a bit of crap and the team played poorly for a lot of the season. But still better than with Hodgson. And he ended up reaching 2 cup finals winning one aswell.

But even so,you clearly don't understand the link Dalglish has to the club to think you can compare them 1 on 1. Dalglish's failure isn't ignored, but when someone has given so much to the club he has earned it. Im not talking about success as manager or player, but going to all the Hillsborough funerals to support the families.

WTF did Hodgson do?! He was to busy trying to be besties with Ferguson that he didn't even defend his own player let alone anything to the levels Dalglish did. So please stop comparing them as you obviously don't understand.
 
I do understandi what hè did both as a player, a manager and a human being.
This is not about Dalglish, this is about perceptiën of fine managers like both Hodgson and Moyes, who had bad speels just like Dalglish had a bad spell.
This isn't about Liverpool.

This is about coaches being good for one club and not for another and the perception....


I give up...
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
Not the Dalglish stuff again. He got the team playing top4 form when he came in, had the team playing great football. Then he and Commoli signed quiet a bit of crap and the team played poorly for a lot of the season. But still better than with Hodgson. And he ended up reaching 2 cup finals winning one aswell.

But even so,you clearly don't understand the link Dalglish has to the club to think you can compare them 1 on 1. Dalglish's failure isn't ignored, but when someone has given so much to the club he has earned it. Im not talking about success as manager or player, but going to all the Hillsborough funerals to support the families.

WTF did Hodgson do?! He was to busy trying to be besties with Ferguson that he didn't even defend his own player let alone anything to the levels Dalglish did. So please stop comparing them as you obviously don't understand.
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But we should be comparing managements here tik, not how many funerals each has attended.
 
Roja needs game time the pace is a bit too much atm. Shaw looks like an NFL player lol thick ass hell ...wtf? Only 19 . The funny thing is every week the team plays completely different each week. One day it's beautiful the next its Lost at Sea! I still fancy them in the top 4.
 
bebo said:
Roja needs game time the pace is a bit too much atm. Shaw looks like an NFL player lol thick ass hell ...wtf? Only 19 . The funny thing is every week the team plays completely different each week. One day it's beautiful the next its Lost at Sea! I still fancy them in the top 4.
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Yep we're still inconsistent as hell and with the overwhelming possession and shots on target we should've put this to bed early but two ..well especially the second wba goal..defensive lapses spelled doom again. Still..ive seen way more encouraging stuff recently to be seriously worried. I think the late equalizer can be a good mental boost to remind themselves that this is Utd and falling behind means fuck all. Our defensive line today was fresh as hell. Its gonna be a slow process when Rafael is your most senior EPL defender available. Chelsea will be a massive test. One I think will come too soon for our retooled defense. We really do need Falcao to start against them though. If LvG is so insistent on having RvP play as captain..at least have him create space for the faster striker. RvP will actually be more important in defense against set pieces against Chelsea than for the attack IMHO. Little shocked Mata and Januzaj were kinda shit today. I love both but they seem to do better off the bench unfortunately
 
Lami said:
But we should be comparing managements here tik, not how many funerals each has attended.
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A bit late to respond.

Firstly Dalglish was more succesfull then Hodgson, had the team playing better football (not saying much mind...) and won a cup, reached another final and albeit in a poor way, was instrumental in Suarez staying. Spent a lot a money, too much. But then Hodgson all spent his money on Konchesky, Paulson and some other rubbish and was also a reason in Torres leaving, had the club playing some of the worst football ever and got knocked out of the cup by Northampton Town.

So anyone saying Hodgson was better than Dalglish is talking nonsense. Neither was particulary good, but don't exagerate as some compensation for Hodgson because he only got 6 months.

Secondly, whats makes a manager a fine manager? Is Sam Allardyce a fine manager? He's achieved as much in England as the other two. And what are the parameters to judge them? I would say at the club that they are (and / or that they think they are good enough for), or are the majority of old school "up and at 'em" managers good because they can organise a limited team to play limited football? Which is what I consider both Moyes and Hodgson to be, although definitely at the upper end of that style.

They are "fine" managers for simple football for lower to midrange teams. Anything more and they get caught out because neither wants to have a team that forces the play or mostly attack. Something all the top4 teams need to do to be succesfull. Look at Chelsea last season, they got stuck because they weren't attacking enough against the lower sides of the league with a lame strike force. Otherwise they likely would have won the league.

I guess it's based on your perspective, I don't consider Moyes or Hodgson fine managers as I support Liverpool and use that as a base level of competence. And the poor media stuff from Hodgson makes me actively dislike him. He knew full well what he was doing with Sterling and used it to take pressure away from him and Englands crap performance.

If you take football in general then sure, they are very fine managers (moreso Moyes imo). But again, for limited football. Look at Martinez, similar squad (+ Lukaku) yet plays far more progressive football. They probably wont end any higher then they did with Moyes, but atleast they are enjoying their football instead of the safety first fear of loss they did under Moyes. Its a shame there arent't any Everton fans on here, but from who I know none of them would have Moyes back instead of Martinez.
 
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