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Manchester United Thread

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

So ban him, it's unjustified and based purely on the media attention only he can get.

We'll cope, all it does is further increase the us vs them spirit.
 
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PIPA23 said:
not intentionally to camera, whole world is watching ...
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The point is not whether or not he did something stupid. He did. The point is that he is being punished using a rule that no one else has ever been punished for.

The rule, if you took time to read it, doesn't state 'if the player does this to a cameraman or to the wider TV audience, then a ban is appropriate' it states you can't use abusive, foul language on the pitch.

There is only one law. Either every single player in the history of the game has broken it and Rooney is the only one banned, or the FA can mould the rules however they want to suit their agenda. Which, in this case, is to punish him for getting away with the elbow, and to ensure the run in is as close as possible.
 
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to be honest i haven´t seen any player in premier league swearing in to the cameras except him...maybe some remember other players do so...

i think the ban is appropriate as if it was every other player who did it..it just happen´s to be Rooney..

the thing you say about FA want to make run in PL close is imo riddicilous..
 
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Pippa 23, come on be serious, there's been plenty of times someone has sworn into a camera before, whether it's been on the pitch or in a post match interview.

Only difference is this is Rooney and united. You've been hoodwinked by the media
 
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think rooney did it before ?.. for England was ok then :LOL: Itv n Sky are different though.It does make things interesting though :SNACK:
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

PIPA23 said:
to be honest i haven´t seen any player in premier league swearing in to the cameras except him...maybe some remember other players do so...

i think the ban is appropriate as if it was every other player who did it..it just happen´s to be Rooney..

the thing you say about FA want to make run in PL close is imo riddicilous..
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You're either missing the point or just deliberately being a blinkered Liverpool fan.

My point isn't about whether or not cursing into the camera warrants a certain punishment. That is neither here nor there.

My point is that the FA can only charge Rooney for breaking a certain rule. The rule he broke at no point specifies in what context the player is using foul and abusive language. He's broken a rule that states that a player can't curse on the pitch.

So has every other player in the history of the game.
 
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A 2 match ban for swearing is not what I'd call appropriate.

Can't argue he should of been punished, because I think he should be, it was a stupid thing to do. But surely a fine would of sufficed, he's not hurt anyone here, only himself.
 
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Lol guys you are incredible, especialy beachryan what does my comment have to do who i support?...i talk first of all my own thoughts not biased by media and definetly not becouse i´m supporting Liverpool.. as Liverpool supporter i care about my team not yours most of all...

I talk about this as i seen this in TV and i felt rather not pleasant.. Deffinetly it would be a shame to FA if the would NOT punish Rooney for that as it was offensive and TOWARDS the camera...there is not a place more for disscousion...
 
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I personally think that it was a stupid act that he did....but as many have pointed out, there were past cases of swearing to the camera before, and I do not recall anyone being banned (definitly not for two games), maybe fined.

As he has apologized, wouldn't a fine be enough already??

Many do swear on the pitch and those go unpunished as it probably went off without people noticing, this was to camera so there was proof of it happening and thus he should be punished...but again, 2 games?? which of you feel that this is a 2 game ban and not just a fine??
 
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PIPA23 said:
Lol guys you are incredible, especialy beachryan what does my comment have to do who i support?...i talk first of all my own thoughts not biased by media and definetly not becouse i´m supporting Liverpool.. as Liverpool supporter i care about my team not yours most of all...

I talk about this as i seen this in TV and i felt rather not pleasant.. Deffinetly it would be a shame to FA if the would NOT punish Rooney for that as it was offensive and TOWARDS the camera...there is not a place more for disscousion...
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I'm sorry that you found it unpleasant, to be honest I did too. My point is simply that the FA cannot charge someone with 'making someone feel unpleasant'.

There are rules, the breaking of which can result in a punishment. You can't just arbitrarily punish people for something that offends you.

Sigh. Never mind.
 
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Nasri n Wenger got 1 match ban for un-pleasantries so FA are tougher than UEFA ?
 
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ss4_goku said:
I personally think that it was a stupid act that he did....but as many have pointed out, there were past cases of swearing to the camera before, and I do not recall anyone being banned (definitly not for two games), maybe fined.

As he has apologized, wouldn't a fine be enough already??

Many do swear on the pitch and those go unpunished as it probably went off without people noticing, this was to camera so there was proof of it happening and thus he should be punished...but again, 2 games?? which of you feel that this is a 2 game ban and not just a fine??
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man this was not camera accidently taking his celebration and him swearing, it was him looking to the camera and being rude, that´t two very differen things.. i agree many swear, that´s undoubtly true, but as a proffesional player he should know how to behave...he was basicly speaking with the audience the same way as he did in his world cup outburst.. i think the ban is appropriate and i would say it in case of any players....who by the way should be rolemodels for young kids ...
 
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Well how about this, it's the first issue in recent memory that has United all corners of the press (except the Daily Mail, but I can barely count them as it was their campaign that surely got him in trouble):

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JamesRobson: anyone who says fa are soft on #mufc , that's 2 red cards, 3 penalties against, 5 match ban for fergie & 2-game ban for rooney since march 1

PaulHayward_gnm: For all the times Rooney has sworn at refs - nothing. The minute he swears into a lens - an FA charge. They're making it up as they go along

bensmith_Times: What Rooney did was wrong but is the FA really going to attempt to police swearing when it is has failed to police the respect campaign?

DuckerTheTimes: Genuinely astonished by Rooney ruling. Shambolic decision. Smacks of FA trying to make up for lack of punishment over McCarthy elbow #mufc

MOgdenTelegraph: Not quite sure what the FA are trying to prove with the Rooney charge. Excessive to say the least.

henrywinter: Random thoughts on Rooney 1: FA frustrated at not being able to punish him for elbow. Given chance by his swearing (tho FA'll say separate)

philmcnulty: s Rooney offence deemed worse by FA because directly into camera or will every player/manager caught swearing on camera now be charged? #fb

DiscoMirror: Not pro-Man Utd, not anti-Man Utd, just call it as I see it and think decision to charge Rooney is huge error of judgment from FA

OllieHoltMirror: FA decision to charge Rooney has to be one of the most absurd decisions it has ever made. And that is saying something.
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JacobSteinberg: Congratulations to the FA for dealing with the big issues... Clowns. - (Why wasn't Harry Redknapp banned for telling a Sky reporter to fuck off?)

DTguardian: Surprised Rooney has been charged, and can now see only one outcome: a two or three-match ban #MUFC
 
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Well the precedent has been set now, let's see the FA start banning players left, right and centre.

For what it's worth, I'd have fined him. A ban is ridiculous and if it happened to one of our players, I wouldn't be happy either. But a fine would be appropriate.

The FA are just completely inconsistent and they're only causing more problems in the game by banning the likes of Rooney for that incident while letting tons of other similar incidents carry on without a word being said.

The only case I can see is that he swore into the camera, so at the public really. If that's a ban, then surely if a linesman hears a player swear at their decision (which players always do) and the swearing is within earshot of the supporters at the ground, shouldn't those players also be banned? What's the difference between swearing into a camera and swearing within 10 metres of kids?
 
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The FA has now opened a Pandora box. But the way I see it, nothing will change. They'll just make an example out of him, and that's it.

Still, with Berba and Hernandez upfront I'm not too worried. They've been playing together before and they've done really well. Looking forward to it actually. And at least it'll give Rooney some rest for those contests against Chelsea.
 
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Our win % with Rooney is staggeringly higher than without. That said, we don't really deserve to win the league if we can't manage without one player at home against any team.

What scares me is that the FA have told Fergie that 'a greater profile brings greater responsibility' - which is just terrifying. So basically 'justice' to the FA is a factor of media hype. Lovely. Would still love it, LOVE IT if Fergie blanked the FA cup semi.
 
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He deserved a 2 match ban, Geoff Hurst thinks it should be an automatic 5 match ban for using excessive bad language.

Didier Drogba got a ban for swearing at cameras (mixed with a bit of allegations).

Bad miss though for the City game mind you.


FD
 
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Haven't seen the incident, but if he directed it towards the audience it is a difference than just randomly swearing on the pitch or swearing at a certain person (reporter). Not defending it really, but I would understand how they think if this is the case.
 
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fd1972uk said:
He deserved a 2 match ban, Geoff Hurst thinks it should be an automatic 5 match ban for using excessive bad language.

Didier Drogba got a ban for swearing at cameras (mixed with a bit of allegations).

Bad miss though for the City game mind you.


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So, erm, what - we should do what Geoff Hurst thinks? Lineker, Shearer and even Hansen said it's over and nothing more should be done. Good argument that.

Drogba's ban was for attempting to assault the referee, chase him down the tunnel and accuse him of cheating. Sick of people getting this wrong. He was not done for foul or abusive language, he was done for bringing the game into disrepute.

Anyway, what's done is done. Let's move on.

One rule for United.
 
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Even Gordon Taylor of the pfa has criticised the fa's decision now.

Maybe sanity is about to prevail
 
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the difference is Drogba did that in CL match, not Premier League.. the same way was punished also Gattuso i think lately..
 
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Not too fussed to be honest about the Rooney thing, Meh, he'll miss Fulham at home and the City cup game, Berbatov's had a LONG rest if you want to call it that. More peeved of that our players have been blanked in the PFA Awards apart from Vidic.
 
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J79 said:
Even Gordon Taylor of the pfa has criticised the fa's decision now.

Maybe sanity is about to prevail
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Are you kidding? The FA are begging that United appeal, so they can show how tough they are and give Rooney a 3 game ban.

It's all political. The FA and the premier league were defending themselves in cabinet just today. They're on a charm offensive because the public have complained so much that it's reached government's attention.

So they're salivating over the opportunity to show how moral and rule-abiding they are. And they can't do that by punishing just any player for just any club. They need to punish the player all of the MPs will have heard of, and the biggest club in the league.

So on a day when they should be grilled over questions of why they let a Thai despot buy Man City or why the FA won't tell anyone who owns Leeds or why they allowed United and Liverpool to be bought with ridiculous debt, they instead can say look, we punished that mean Wayne Rooney player for cursing to the lil kids! That's right, we the FA punished the most famous player in the league for cursing. That's how powerful and just we are.

They disgust me the lot. Just above the media in the line of parasitic scabs that need scratching out of existence.
 
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I honestly think we will accept the charge but dispute the length of the ban and it will be reduced to a one game ban.

Agree with everything you say about the fa though
 
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The best excuse I've heard is that Rooney was setting a bad example for the children.

Have these people not seen children nowadays? They swear more than anyone else, heck they have swear words that the rest of us don't even know!
 
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Spot on J79 - we've appealed the length of the punishment. Which I say is fair enough, it's unprecedented and without comparison, so how they can argue it's sensible?
 
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Well I was sitting watching the game and my little girl was playing with her Peppa Pig Toys and then later on I asked her to move something and she said "What, fucking what!!".

I want him banned for 10 games.





:p :D


FD
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

fd1972uk said:
Well I was sitting watching the game and my little girl was playing with her Peppa Pig Toys and then later on I asked her to move something and she said "What, fucking what!!".

I want him banned for 10 games.





:p :D


FD
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No offense, and I realise it's possible that this is true - but I can't honestly believe anyone with stories like that. I was watching it at home, with a wonderful sound system and I had no idea what he yelled until a few hours after the match when I saw a transcript. I knew the f-bomb was in there, but had no idea what else was.

But sounds like you and Graham Poll have something in common - pretty sure he also said that some kid was saying the same thing the day afterwards.

Weird how kids never say 'Football, bloody hell' anymore ;)

Anyway, today the FA will tell Rooney, right before kick off of the Chelsea match too, that he's been banned for an additional match because of the 'frivolous' nature of his appeal.

That's right, appealing an unprecedented punishment is considered frivolous. Not only that, it's considered frivolous before the 'mystery 3 person panel' has even convened to discuss it.
 
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