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I'm with Rune on this one. We've always had a player like Smith in our team. Not the most skillful but will work all day and their aggression will lift the crowd. We had Hughes, Keane, Robson and going way back a personal favourite of mine, Joe Jordan.
 
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That video pretty much sums up Alan Smith to be honest.I am reserved on this one.I still cant choose between the two.If I had the luxury,I'd keep Saha and Smith because I think they could really compliment each other.I cant recall a game when these two started and one of them scored.Can you help me on this Rune?
 
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have they ever played WITH each other??? like together on the pitch at the same time (both being strikers)...i don't think so...

but you can say that i'm dumb, but i still think that Smith deserves to be in the Utd line-up more than Saha...(even though in WE, Saha's speed comes into better use than Smith 80% of the time! lolz)
 
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I'd take Smudge over the glass man Saha any day of the week, lifts the crowd and the players, given a run in the team will also score goals for us too.
 
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I think Saha is more talented in terms of physical ability e.g. finishing, pace, dribbling but Smith is a harder worker and mentally a tougher player.
 
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I'm with Rune on this one. We've always had a player like Smith in our team. Not the most skillful but will work all day and their aggression will lift the crowd. We had Hughes, Keane, Robson and going way back a personal favourite of mine, Joe Jordan.
Took the words out of my mouth. What made guys like Keano, Robson and Hughes so good? Its definately wasnt technique or finishing or anything. But they were fought for the team in every game they played and the fans loved it.

I cant recall a game when these two started and one of them scored.Can you help me on this Rune?
The second leg against Roma.

have they ever played WITH each other??? like together on the pitch at the same time (both being strikers)...i don't think so...
I remember a Carling Cup game where Smith scored a goal from a nice assist from Saha, so yeah they have.

You have to remember that we dont need players who are so technically gifted cuz we already have so many of those here anyway. We need more players like Alan Smith who will fight for the team. Just look at Gattuso at Milan. In terms of technique he seems so out of place in that side yet he's still a fan favourite.
 
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Its a shame with Saha if he could keep fit and get on form and carry it on another striker wouldnt be needed in my eyes, he has good control of the ball, decent in the air and his finishing at times can be clinical, clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqQzyJZ4EA

Although alot of things let him down - sometimes he doesnt look bothered in a game, injuries and his 1 on 1 finishing is appauling!
 
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Took the words out of my mouth. What made guys like Keano, Robson and Hughes so good? Its definately wasnt technique or finishing or anything. But they were fought for the team in every game they played and the fans loved it.


The second leg against Roma.


I remember a Carling Cup game where Smith scored a goal from a nice assist from Saha, so yeah they have.

You have to remember that we dont need players who are so technically gifted cuz we already have so many of those here anyway. We need more players like Alan Smith who will fight for the team. Just look at Gattuso at Milan. In terms of technique he seems so out of place in that side yet he's still a fan favourite.
you sure they both started against roma... whoa whoa now son, smith fights but its not very effective, he has a hot temper and will wreck a player every once in a while, but usually he just fouls people, gattuso is an amazing tackler and ball winner, smith isnt, so the comparison isnt the same. We tried smith at DM and he failed miserably, he couldnt tackle, he couldnt pass the ball upfield and he really didnt do much. I do like smiths hold up play and he can finish usually when he should. But i just think for him he would be better off in a side like everton, portsmouth, etc... He is never going to be a regular for united and i think he has the potential to be a great fit for another prem team
 
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Gattuso is also a thug when he wants to be, remember the elbow in Giggs' face a few seasons ago. We need a thug sometimes or we will end up like Arsenal getting bullied every week.
 
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you sure they both started against roma...
I think the question was if either of them started a game and scored, not if they started together.

whoa whoa now son, smith fights but its not very effective, he has a hot temper and will wreck a player every once in a while, but usually he just fouls people, gattuso is an amazing tackler and ball winner, smith isnt, so the comparison isnt the same.
Of course it isnt the same, Smith is a striker, Gattuso is a midfielder. And I wasnt comparing their ability to tackle people, I was talking about fighting for the team. You can buy all the technically gifted players you want and thrash all the smaller teams with a 4 goal margin every week but the moment you come up against a strong and organised team like Milan (or Liverpool/Chelsea on their best day), you're in for a reality check. After signing Nani and Anderson, we dont need fast and skillful players or players similar to Saha. We need to start thinking about what we would do when we play a team that's tactically smarter or physically stronger than us. Until we do this, we'll probably never win the Champions League.

We tried smith at DM and he failed miserably, he couldnt tackle, he couldnt pass the ball upfield and he really didnt do much. I do like smiths hold up play and he can finish usually when he should. But i just think for him he would be better off in a side like everton, portsmouth, etc... He is never going to be a regular for united and i think he has the potential to be a great fit for another prem team
Again you're basing this on a player who has had serious injuries and a lack of first team football. Before Rooney came into the team, Smith was brilliant. Since then he's been moved to midfield or not had many games up front. Saha has had more than enough time to establish himself. And to be fair to him, he did well. Just not good enough by our standards.
And to add to that, Smith turned down many opportunities to join another club because of his determination to play for us. He even turned down an opportunity to play for England just so that he could train with our reserve team. If the club and the fans appreciated him as much as you do, our players wouldnt have worn t-shirts saying "For You Smudge" before lifting the Carling Cup a couple of years ago.
And to sell him without giving him a chance in the side will be like a slap in the face and would make them lose a lot of respect for the club from me. The last time I was this bothered about someone leaving was when Beckham left.
 
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one fact remains, Smith can score 1 on 1 chances, Saha really can't

Saha's brilliant at converting incredibly difficult chances, bur simple ones? Not a chance
 
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Nani is playing for Portugal (Under 21s) on Sky Sports 2 now if some of you want to check out your new signing. :)
 
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He was shit, but so was the rest of the team. Our coach sucks. :(

Regarding Nani hes played for senior Team vs Belgium the flew to Kuwait to play. Came back had a medical with us the played tonite.

Who wouldnt be tired???
 
Re: Manchester United Thread - Champions 2006/07

Its in the news that apparently Atletico Madrid will spark a transfer scramble next week by confirming that star striker Fernando Torres will be in the summer sales.Thie is great news for us and we have to move fast to capture his signature.I cant believe it that Atletico are announcing this.Their failure to secure a UEFA spot might be the cause of this announcement.BRING ON TORRES!!!
 
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BRING ON TORRES!!!

:thumbup: I'd drink to that (it's only tea though)
If he was the only player we signed this summer I'd have been happy... I'm not complaining though!

Fingers crossed
 
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He's completely entitled to his opinion,It's not a racist comment, nowhere does he say anything derogatory about the french, let's not get all over politically correct in here.Personally i couldn't give a flying fuck where a player's from as long as he's good enough to wear the shirt.
 
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wow...Torres...really never thought that Athletico will announce that he is for sale!!! now...if it follows through and he comes to Man Utd....wow...think of the line-up problems!!!
 
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wow...Torres...really never thought that Athletico will announce that he is for sale!!! now...if it follows through and he comes to Man Utd....wow...think of the line-up problems!!!

Liverpool will go in for him also mate.

Also remember Anderson may not get a work permit so we may have the money for Torres anyway

If i was Torres i will be thinking who would i want to play for & with?

Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani, Scholes, Giggs, Rio even Hargreaves

Or Steven Gerrard

Also managers no matter how good Rafa is, who has developed Roanaldo into the monster of a footballer he is now?

And who has shown the most intrest in him?

Easy decision for me
 
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He's completely entitled to his opinion,It's not a racist comment, nowhere does he say anything derogatory about the french, let's not get all over politically correct in here.Personally i couldn't give a flying fuck where a player's from as long as he's good enough to wear the shirt.

then why didnt he say, I dont want Trez? He said I dont want another frenchman... clear as day, why not? Why else make a comment like that unless your going to generalize about someone, why lump trez as "frenchman" unless you have something against frenchmen...
whats the point? And not only is he an idiot for saying he doesnt want another player cause of the country he is from, but he is and idiot for not wanting a top notch hold up forward like trezagaol...

this is the same guy who said ronlado and pirlo were shit
 
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wow...Torres...really never thought that Athletico will announce that he is for sale!!! now...if it follows through and he comes to Man Utd....wow...think of the line-up problems!!!

ive watched torres on a regular basis, he is a similiar player to rooney but not quite as good at finishing, im not sure about him..
 
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Torres is better at being the target man, the lone striker etc.

If Man Utd get him it would be unbelievable. Torres is simply awesome, I'd love to have him at Milan. Looks like we wont go for him though, its Eto'o for us.
 
Fernando Torres

Too many FM/CM players and media-listeners around these days, sadly, it seems. While not enough people on this (.co.uk community) who actually follow Torres on a weekly basis and judge him by what they see rather than listening to all the constant over-the-top hype he's been receiving by the media since he was practically an infant instead. (If any of you have followed him regularly almost every week since he made his debut many years ago like I have, let me know though. I'm curious to see just how many of you "SUPER-EXCITED" boys and men, actually fall in that category) :rolleyes:

I've always liked Torres and am still a fan but I'll be the first and one of the few who will have the b@lls to tell you the truth about him. Fernando is in all honesty, one of the most over-rated players in the world at the moment.

He's good and has the potential to be great and become a complete striker and one of the world's very best one day. But right now he's faaaar from that. Yet, somehow thanks to the incompetent crazy media that's been hyping him up insanely ever since he made his debut as a teenager, his reputation is easily at least TWICE his ability.


We don't even know if the news has any truth in it but if it is and Atletico are willing to sell, I can't say I'm surprised. It makes sense. The kid has proven in the past couple years and just recently again this season, that his "NAME" and popularity world-wide is FAAAR greater than his actual current ability and what he, consistently in reality produces on the pitch. So when you have a player like that, why NOT announce that he could be available for sale at the right price and ultimately sell him for a huge amount, mostly thanks to his immense reputation rather than impressive consistent performances? :-s

I know I would because it'd be a great business decision! :D

With the big cheque, Atletico will coup from him and his huge name after sale, they'll have enough cash to improve their already impressive squad of Int'l players even more by finding a suitable replacement for him and probably strengthening a couple other positions with a couple quality purchases as well. So if you really have deep knowledge of just what his ability is like and think about it, Atletico are being very smart IF that news isn't BS and they're actually gonna sell him this summer. Those chicky b@$tards. :p

Why are they being so smart and going to get large benefits from this sale? (Not to forget, all the productivitiy they have got out of Fernando over the years without having spent any fee on him of course since he came out of their own youth academy) Because, It's the perfect time to sell him. :mrgreen:
Because they're doing it while he's technically still classified by many as a talented youngster, even though he's 23 now and still hasn't developed to be 3/4th the player we thought and expected, he'd become by now when we saw him at 18 years old. If they wait one more year, he'll suddenly be 24 and at 24 years of age, and the same current level of ability (Assuming, he doesn't suddenly have an amazing year next season and develop immensely at Atletico which I don't see happening), a lot of people are gonna realize some things about you and your market value at that age won't be as high anymore because now you're neither considered a talented youngster at 24 anymore, nor a world-class striker to pull mega-cash like that for transfer. So this is the last summer, Atletico has a chance to earn BIG money from somebody for him without him having put in the magnificent performances that pulls mega-cash like that. Because next summer, the only way they'll get a big fee for him is if suddenly Torres has turned into a world-class striker during this upcoming season and put in consistently great performances which is much different from his performances and track record in career so far.

So excuse me, but it's rather amusing to see just how excited some/many fans who probably haven't even watched him on a consistent basis, can get due to his big-name (not big ability) even before anything remotely official is confirmed! :rolleyes: :lol:

My word of caution to you guys then (Since I have a lot of friends who are Man U fans and I don't want to see them sad or disappointed later on simply due to lack of deep accurate knowledge and relying on the excessive hype by the evil media), is to be excited but definitely tone it down. Don't be TOO excited is basically what I'm trying to tell you friends, :) for your own sakes. Because 99 % of the time, when players who aren't world-class (like Fernando) get used by the media that way and get hyped up to death to make them sound like some super-god, it can only lead to disappointment eventually and is actually bad for the player himself. :|

Be excited because if you do get him, you will have acquired another player who can become great in the future (ala Anderson and to a lesser extent Nani) but if you're thinking, you'll get this guy and he's already a hit-man or world-class and gonna help you considerably and immediately with your title defense next season, you're mistaken. He'll have to develop a lot more to become a clinical and world-class striker. The good news is, he has all the right tools and potential in place to eventually become that, hopefully, one day. :)

His goal-scoring record isn't really impressive nor consistent especially when you consider the amount of minutes he's played each season and just how many matches he's participated/started in. Not to mention quite a bit of those goals were from PK's although he recently isn't the #1 taker anymore after he missed more PK's in the past couple years than any other player I've seen and even when he did score a lot of goals in a season, he missed a LOT of great chances and could've had double that amount if you were to watch full matches from him and see just how wasteful he often is. After all, scoring one goal from every 5-6 great chances you get isn't exactly impressive even if it does at the end of the season amount to 16 goals let's say which he hasn't even been able to do recently despite playing in the league he's been playing at for many years now and being used to the opposition, the weather, the culture and his team-mates, etc. (Which he won't be when he moves to a new league or a new team and he won't be as comfortable). His record will look even less impressive when you consider the fact that he gets his supply from great quality players like Martin Petrov, Pernia, Antonio Lopez, Maniche and Maxi Rodriguez around him (Not to mention guys like Aguero, Luccin, Galletti or Mista) and how he's their #1 target to create chances for (Unlike other teams with 2 quality strikers where many of the balls will be directed to your partner and not you). The bottom line of the story is, they create a LOT of great chances for this guy as a result and he simply doesn't take enough of them.

Fernando ruins so many relatively easy chances and opportunities, that he can compete with Adebayor for that 'title' :lol: which is what Emmanuel became famous for among many people during his period with "Monaco". :lol:

Anyway having said all that though, the good news is, you probably won't get him. The news that he's leaving Atletico may be only a rumour just like it turns up every year yet doesn't materialize (since he's constantly and even most recently talked about how he wants to stay). And even if it was true, he said that he'd prefer to stay in Spain in which case, Barca would be the club he'd move to since he will not play for Real for obvious reasons and Valencia is a bit short on cash right now due to plans for new stadium and other matters. And even then, if he was to move out of Spain, there'd still be a decent chance that Man U won't be his destination but another club like Inter or AC Milan or Liverpool instead, who may spend millions and millions of $$$ on a risky (rather than proven) asset which may eventually turn to be a good buy IF developing for a couple more years and adapting successfully. OR it could become a big flop due to not having enough ability yet to justify a big money transfer move like that and the club that buys him and its fans not being patient enough with him, not to mention, the fact that some people just aren't very adapable and can't get used to life in another country or the style of football in another country/league. In that case, he will move again but for less money this time (An example would be to think of how much Djibril Cisse cost Liverpool and how they now can't offload him easily and even when they do, it'll be for a lot less than they bought him for) and hence a big loss for the club who originally bought him off Atletico and Atletico being the real winners on this business deal and having made the "smart" move to offload at just the right time.

My final advice to those friends of mine who support Man U then is this:

"IF you DO manage to get Torres this summer, be excited. BUT be moderately excited and nothing too much or excessive like if you had signed a true world-class striker such as Eto'o or David Villa or Luca Toni or Klose for example. Let's put it this way to make it even more clear. If you do get him, I think you should be AS excited as you would be if you found out Man U is signing Darren Bent let's say. Because while the difference in REPUTATION of these two is huge. The difference in current ability certainly isn't. And obviously, Darren wouldn't have to adapt to life or language in England as if it's a new thing or adapt to the different nature of EPL from La Liga where as Fernando would and all of that not only takes time but sometimes just doesn't ever fully get adapted and then the player becomes disillusioned with life and maybe even football and loses confidence like Luque did with Newcastle and his initial unsuccessful and injury-plagued start which then set the tone almost for the rest of his days with them.

And on the other hand, if you DONT get him, don't be sad about it much. There'll be other players who are more proven and consistent for the same or nearly same amount of money available (and sometimes less money) and there are also those who are equally as good as Torres yet available for much less due to their lower reputation and not having received THAT much hype from media since the days they still wore diapers :mrgreen: which is practically what's happened with Fernando. :p

So again, if you DO miss out on him or your club and legendary manager elect to NOT move for him, don't be mad or sad by it or if you are gonna be, at least be as mad/sad as you would if you missed out on Darren Bent. And also be happy by realizing that whoever else did spend the big $$$ on him instead of your club, has done quite a risky bit of business and is likely to get less value out of their money than they paid for.

Good luck and I wish you guys a good summer and an exciting season next year.

Last but not least, I want to give y'all a belated congratulation from me, on your 06/07 Premier League title success which proved, you were with little doubt, the best team in England this season.


Ciao.
 
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