Manchester United Thread

He still hasn't gotten a boot to the head, Fergies new way of telling his players to move on (he'd never try it with Roy though).
 
jamie_mack said:
And what about Wright-Phillips should city go down?
Click to expand...

whats that? where are leeds again? ;)
Click to expand...
[/quote]

I think we'll go down cos our schedule more difficult from now on, but
the hope never dies... good luck m8 :)
 
Don't worry manu fans Djemba djemba or fletcher will take over roy keans mantle. As long as they develop ability!!! :mrgreen:
 
Saturday was a top day spoiled by the worst game of football I've seen, well since the last time we played so poorly, which was last saturday.

Aswell as being the worst liverpool side I've seen at OT it was the worst game I can remember between the two teams for some time and somewhat of an anti climax.

Its no suprise to see lfc where they are, based on saturdays performance they wont reach The CL, and rightly so uefa cup is about right for them.

As for us, well yes we we're awful on Saturday but to be fair there doesnt seem anything to play for, with Arsenal running away with it, playing for 2nd just isnt "Us", although with Newcastle winning yesterday and Chelsea crumbling 2nd place is still very much on the cards just not worth getting excited about.....
 
United are looking into Alberto Gilardino,Parma's exciting and full of flair forward.Now,is this guy Brazilian or Italian? I've heard commentators saying that hes Brazilian and his biodata on some websites says that he's Italian? Nonetheless,I'd love it if one more forward comes in to replace Diego Forlan.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Saturday was a top day spoiled by the worst game of football I've seen, well since the last time we played so poorly, which was last saturday.

Aswell as being the worst liverpool side I've seen at OT it was the worst game I can remember between the two teams for some time and somewhat of an anti climax.

Its no suprise to see lfc where they are, based on saturdays performance they wont reach The CL, and rightly so uefa cup is about right for them.

As for us, well yes we we're awful on Saturday but to be fair there doesnt seem anything to play for, with Arsenal running away with it, playing for 2nd just isnt "Us", although with Newcastle winning yesterday and Chelsea crumbling 2nd place is still very much on the cards just not worth getting excited about.....
Click to expand...

gd post...excellent...haha
 
phrase said:
United are looking into Alberto Gilardino,Parma's exciting and full of flair forward.Now,is this guy Brazilian or Italian? I've heard commentators saying that hes Brazilian and his biodata on some websites says that he's Italian? Nonetheless,I'd love it if one more forward comes in to replace Diego Forlan.
Click to expand...

I feckin hope not, we've had a few south american players recently and none of them have settled well so I cant see the board financing anymore.
 
Ellis said:
I agree stick to European based players, higher quality leagues!
Click to expand...

Well I didnt mean for that reason just that it must be difficult for players from these countries to adapt to pretty much everything, the climate, culture, tempo of the game and of course language.

But when you look at how many quality South Americans its obvious they produce World Class players in every sense of the word, we've just not managed to bag one at OT yet and the one we did was a case of The Emperors New Clothes....
 
yeah ok i'm not talking ever just about Utd for this offseason, I would rather avoid South America and look for players who are proven in competitive leagues.... maybe then they will be ready to play the Premiership game
 
With this game coming so close to April 15th I was confused by the celebration of the Munich air disaster by each and every one of the fifteen or so coaches that arrived at Old Trafford carrying Liverpool's supporters on Saturday.

We are of course talking about people who must live and stand amongst those affected by the deaths of those 96 people at Hillsborough in 1989 which makes the amusement they clearly get from Munich seem all the more misplaced.

These are the people who littered Old Trafford this weekend with stickers supporting the Justice for Hillsborough campaign, as if lauding the Munich deaths and celebrating the murder of elderly women by their GP at the same time was ever going to win them friends at this end of the East Lancs.

The same supporters had no doubt glanced at this fixture in the paper (not The Sun though because that would be immoral!) back in July and flirted with the idea that their team could inflict some sort of telling blow to United's defence of the title.

Sadly for the aeroplane impersonators and Shipman fans amongst the once proud Liverpool support all remaining life had been drained from our title charge some weeks, if not months, ago. Not ones to miss the chance of a good knees-up though the arriving scousers, oh and those from Bristol, Stafford and North Wales, 'who's that lyin' on the runway'd' to their hearts content en route to a dull victory.

The reality of the situation, however, is that with Newcastle beating Chelsea, thus handing Arsenal the title, Liverpool FC is in the same distinctly average situation that it was before their boring win at Old Trafford. They still look like needing to beat Newcastle on the last day to achieve what in their eyes must be success - a fourth place Champions League spot - thus proving how far the mighty have fallen.

It's uncomfortable losing to Liverpool in any capacity, don't get me wrong. It was also mildly gut-wrenching to see Arsenal confirmed as champions at White Hart Lane yesterday too. But for those fortunate enough to outlive those who died on a Munich runway or Sheffield terrace life goes on. We'll survive the summer safe in the knowledge that United remain good enough to mount another assault next season and we'll be here to see it.

I won't feel to need to berate Ferguson on phone-in's because of our 'awful' season, nor will I be making banners championing the competency South Yorkshire Police ready for our next trip to Anfield. That would be awfully Liverpool of me.

Quality!!

I was disgusted by the liverpool fans on saturday, but thats nothing new.

I've never seen us take the piss out of people dying, yet the rest of the country do and have the nerve to call us scum...
 
you are right if the liverppol fans did do that its appauling and these kind of people are the fans that give football a bad name. saying that i can count at least 50 utd fans who gloated about foe! and im sure there are city fans who gloat about munich overall this is just sad and dusgusting!
 
I think ya can put that down to a minority cos yeah we all love this game and get pretty emotional about it, but I don't know anyone who'd bother with thins rubbish...

Shame on those who did though, although the author of that extract doesn't seem much better with that last comment
 
Well I've never heard one United fan make a joke about Foe, I do know we took the piss out of city fans for the way they carried on when he passed considering the abuse they gave him that season.

City lfc and leeds are the worst for calling us "Munichs"

with leeds, well they are thick anyway they racially abuse their own players...

liverpool used to be really bad but it calmed down after Hillsborough, not that it should take your own fans dying to understand a tragedy but it seems to have reared its head over the past few seasons maybe becuase we're so far infront of them now this is all they can resort to..

but city, they are the worst, and the daft thing is that as well as Mancunians dying in that crash one of their legends died aswell so I've never understood but they arent the brightest anyway...

and yeah the guy spoiled a decent write up with the last comments, we're better than resorting to the enemies tatics!!
 
liverpool fans made impressions of planes as to imply the munich air disatster! hes just having a go at city beacuse what i said about united fans and foe!
 
I'm getting a bit worried about the lack of transfer news concerning United.

I hear Arsenal have been linked with Van Persie and a few other players. Chelsea are, of course, been linked with a lot of players. But we are not being linked with anyone big.

I always thought that this season was when Fergie was going to bring in the squad players. Which he has (Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson etc). And next season was going to be when he brings in a few big names...I just hope Fergie pulls the signings off.
 
I don't think so..there has been a lot of news bout man u's signings these days: Van Der Vaart, Van Der Meyde, Ferrari, Duff...
 
Here you are Suckas! :D

The truth hurts guys.....

The Guardian said:
United: Where it all went wrong

Turning his back on simple tradition could cost Ferguson a glorious legacy, says Rob Smyth.

Tuesday April 27, 2004

Long before the Tinkerman, there was Tinkerbell: that was the nickname given to Alex Ferguson by Manchester United fans in the early 90s, when his meddling did as much harm as good. And now he's back, tinkering his footballing dynasty into oblivion.
The name didn't catch on, mainly because - unlike Claudio Ranieri - Ferguson didn't ham it up. In fact he did the opposite, savaging anyone who dared to question his controversial selections, like leaving Mark Hughes out of games that ultimately cost league titles in 1992 and 1995.

Then, Tinkerbell went away, the Alan Hansen generation came along, 4-4-2 held sway and United swept all before them. Based around one of the most complete midfield quartets British football has ever produced, and without spending any serious money, United reeled off win after win after win, even when they weren't at their best. Just like Arsenal now. In football, continuity is seriously underrated.

Then, the Tinkerbell returned. Ahead of what he thought would be his last season in management (2001-02), Ferguson was so desperate to win the European Cup for the second time that he bought Juan Veron, introduced a new climate of flexibility - and killed his golden goose.

To say that sport is cyclical is too easy; too inane. United's decline stems from the day in 2001 when they bought Veron, whose impact everyone thought would be immense. So it was: La Brujita's signing put a curse on the club.

From 4-4-2 week in, week out, Ferguson started to meddle to accommodate a man whose defensive indiscipline meant he was a liability in a two-man centre midfield. And so came the three words guaranteed to bring any United fan out in a cold sweat: Four. Five. One.

Embracing versatility meant that players started popping up all over the place. When Veron, a languid assassin whose kill-with-one-pass style was totally at odds with United's quick-quick-quick-goal modus operandi, proved to be of no use whatsoever, United had sacrificed their Premiership omnipotence for a marginal - and ultimately insignificant - improvement in Europe. Now they have gone backwards there too, and are as far away from winning the European Cup as at any time since Romario's Nou Camp massacre of 1994.

Without players playing in their natural positions every week, the instinctive fluidity that comes from simple repetition has gone. Instead you have Ryan Giggs on the right wing, up front, and even at left-back; Paul Scholes in the hole or wide on either side in midfield; Ole Solskjaer on either wing; Darren Fletcher and Kleberson on the right wing. Gary Neville even rocked up at left-back for the first time in living memory in the crucial title decider at Highbury last season.

This tinkering, along with the decline of that imperious midfield, is the root of United's problems. Yes, they were top earlier this season when Rio Ferdinand limped into suspension - but that was only because of their defence. The attack is a different matter. United used to be renowned for the injury-time comebacks that tortured the nation; now they can't summon the will, or the quality. Of United's last 17 Premiership defeats, 71% have been 1-0; of the 35 before that, only 20% were by the same scoreline.

A side that played some of the most pulsating football imaginable - in 1999-2000 they scored 97 goals in 38 games, miles clear of this Arsenal side - has become boring. When Ronaldo does not play, United are about as dynamic and exciting to watch as Songs of Praise.

The days when Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke - whose ability to take players out of the game in the centre of the park United have never replaced, though they tried with Ronaldinho - buzzed around and Roy Keane marauded through midfield are, like Keane's legs, long gone.

Replacing Keane is simply impossible. For 10 years he was United's pulse, and he is probably the most influential player in the club's history - just look, for example, at the mess United made of the first 80 minutes of the Champions League final without him to guide them.

Though Ferguson now has more options in centre midfield than ever before - Keane, Scholes, Fortune, Neville, Fletcher, Nicky Butt, Eric Djemba-Djemba, Liam Miller - he has never presided over a United side that is so weak there.

You sense that Ferguson, knowing that the golden generation could not last forever, and riding on the glory of last season's title - which silenced those who said he had lost it, and cut him enough slack to try and regenerate his squad again - picked this as his transitional season, although not even he could have envisaged some of the calamities it would bring.

Ferguson's greatness will never be in doubt, but United's demise is in danger of compromising his legacy. Yet they have never lost back-to-back titles since the Premiership began. That is the last vestige of hope for United fans, and it would be entirely typical of Ferguson to give his critics one last crisp V sign by winning the title next season.

He promised by giving his new signings a year to bed down in English football; now he has to pay. If he does not, it really will be the end of an era.
Click to expand...
 
Arsenal Don't Have 'Magic'
Since Arsenal's almost-collapse a couple of weeks back, people haven't been so quick to compare them to the ManYoo treble team, and rightly so. Granted, this Arsenal may, at their best, play better football than that ManYoo team at their best (and they weren't too shabby themselves), but that isn't really the criteria for 'the' great team.

It's also why the current Real Madrid team will be remembered more for the individual Galacticos they've assembled, rather than being a great team (despite their rather spiffing Champions League record for recent years). There's more to a great team than being able to cut a mid-table side to ribbons in glorious fashion.

And it's what the ManYoo treble team had that will see them go down near or at the top of the football annals, and it's what Arsenal so plainly lack, when looking at the hurdles they failed against this season. For all their Gallic flair, for all their 'best player in the world's, for all their annoyingly delusional fans, Arsenal don't have *the magic*.

I'm not one to wax lyrical, but that ManYoo team had an irresistible power about them, the kind of power that never harboured self doubt or ever considered that anything was beyond them. They made things hard for themselves and *still* won out.

This Arsenal team may have produced the pretty football, but they never produced the substance of the FA Cup semi-final victory, nor Turin, and definitely not Barcelona. They haven't even scaled the height of the FA Cup victory over Liverpool. Their wins over Chelsea (domestically, of course)proved that they are a grand side, and their hammering of Inter started to reach the heights of footballing greatness.

But it's not a case of 'they just didn't reach those heights', they *failed* to reach those heights. The ManYoo treble team wouldn't have limped to an impotent 1-0 defeat to Arsenal in their FA Cup semi, and they would've equalised against Chelsea in the CL quarter-final second leg.

That team didn't play the prettiest football of all time ever, but that is a plastic accolade when compared to what the team did achieve. And it's the same plastic accolade which is seeing people hail the current Arsenal side as the greatest the British Isles has produced. A team that goes the entire season unbeaten deserves a footnote in the history books, but it still doesn't bear up to the ManYoo treble.
Walter Finch
 
Re: Here you are Suckas! :D

rockykabir said:
The truth hurts guys.....
Click to expand...

lol yeah,

possible 2nd place, Champs League football and an FA Cup final to look forward to....

compare that to 14 years and no champs league football this season and next season,

ya having a laugh!!
 
Gazz22 said:
I'm getting a bit worried about the lack of transfer news concerning United.
Click to expand...

I wouldnt worry about it, its actually refreshing that we're not being linked with every tom dick and harry.

Saying that the sun is running a story on Fergie lining up a bid for Gerrard, with GH apparently after Joey Barton. IMO Gerrard would be be perfect for us and in turn for a bloke after medals there isnt a better club in the country to go to.

He is having personal problems in liverpool at the mo (the city not the club) so him leaving lfc is possible I just cant see him joining us, Arsenal yes, even Chelsea just not us..

which is a damm shame!!!!
 
No,doubt.I was just about to post the story bout Gerrard.He bleeds for the shirt he puts on,perfect replacement for Keano.He would put back the zest and energy that is slowly draining from Keane.20million is quite a suspect price for someone who is injury prone...but nonetheless,would be a great buy.
 
phrase said:
No,doubt.I was just about to post the story bout Gerrard.He bleeds for the shirt he puts on,perfect replacement for Keano.He would put back the zest and energy that is slowly draining from Keane.20million is quite a suspect price for someone who is injury prone...but nonetheless,would be a great buy.
Click to expand...

yeah he is injury prone but I had that down to the club he plays for, you know what its like when your stuck at a job you hate, you have lots of time of sick.

If we get Gerrard (im in fantasy land humour me) Keano would be surplus to requirments he's a shadow of the player he was, let him quit for Celtic he could do a job up there no probs cos he wont have the expectations or pressure to live up to. I'd rather seem him play for that shower than hobble round OT for the next couple of years.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom