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man utd have too many players who wont dive into tackles . carrick , fletcher are not the type of player that really complement scholes . i would prefer a player that winds up other players , like the old roy keane . a real fighter .

furthermore , scholes is such an old player but still being so heavily relied on . man utd must find a replacement with good current ability . players with high potential is a good idea, but cannot win you trophies . same problem with giggsy , man utd should find a natural left footer to replace him .

lastly , the striker problem . man utd need to get an extremely good finisher . im not saying saha or rooney isnt good , but to me they aren't the most prolific scorers of goals , more like second strikers who can link up the play .
 
Im slightly gutted that Larsson wont be staying much longer, he has been a class act and has proved that he could probably fit into any team in the world and make a differance. Not only did he fit in like he had always been there but he also more than likely cemented a first team place.

Good luck for the future though Henrik, its been a pleasure to see you
 
We dont need another Roy Keane honestly.If he were to still be playing for us,he wouldnt fit in.Carrick and Scholes is perfect for this team.The player to replace Scholes would be Owen Hargreaves.Rooney also has the ability to emulate Scholes if being moulded into that position.Not much of a problem.We have still yet to find a replacement for Giggs although we have Ronaldo and Park to provide covers on both wings,Rooney also plays there once in a while.Not much of a problem there too.The striker problem you mentioned about is sort of a problem.However,I cant complain much as we are the highest goalscoring team in the country,boasting 15 different goalscorers.I would prefer goals from everywhere rather than a sole striker.What happens if that striker goes through a bad patch?? In trouble are we? Lets just wait and see who occupies that number 10 kit come next summer.Its a widely known fact that Sir Alex loves to buy forwards more than any other.
 
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When Keane left it looked as though he would never be replaced. Just recently I remember a quote from Sir Alex saying that the team as finally got over the departure of Keane and I think hes right, Carrick has been playing pretty good recently and is making himself known on the pitch alot more and is bonding with Scholes is pretty good.

On to tonight, it wont be easy by all means. Lille are a team that are punching above their weight and with some decent players they will make it hard for United. Ive also just read somewhere that they are unbeaten at home in the CL, also if Scholes gets booked tonight hes out of the 2nd leg. So maybe if things start to get comfortable tonight expect a Scholes booking ;)
 
Tonight is a chance to signify our intent in Europe this year. I expect nothing but a clinical display. Patient build up play, dominate posession and hopefully put the ball in the net. I could see Vidic kicking things off from a corner. If we get ahead, I'm confident we can wrap up the tie before returning to OT...
 
I wonder if we will see the 4-2-3-1 that Fergie sometimes uses in europe, with Rooney playing wide left. I sometimes wonder why he uses this because it doesnt seem to work as effective as a usual 4-4-2
 
beachryan said:
Tonight is a chance to signify our intent in Europe this year. I expect nothing but a clinical display. Patient build up play, dominate posession and hopefully put the ball in the net. I could see Vidic kicking things off from a corner. If we get ahead, I'm confident we can wrap up the tie before returning to OT...
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wow, you arent really rating lile much are you? Your tottally in for a surprise man... there a very good squad... I dont think United will be putting on any clinics tonight
 
We should watch who we watch, we might end up paying another Djemba-Djemba or Bleberson to replace them.
 
csaunders said:
wow, you arent really rating lile much are you? Your tottally in for a surprise man... there a very good squad... I dont think United will be putting on any clinics tonight
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Clinical doesn't equal a clinic. Bottom line is with the team that United can field they should win. It's down to the players to prove their worth. Lille are in the CL real stages for the first time, they've had a bad domestic patch and shouldn't be on par with United in terms of quality. That's all i'm saying. Same as we should have comfortably beaten Reading. Football doesn't tend to work that way though...
 
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Clinical doesn't equal a clinic. Bottom line is with the team that United can field they should win. It's down to the players to prove their worth. Lille are in the CL real stages for the first time, they've had a bad domestic patch and shouldn't be on par with United in terms of quality. That's all i'm saying. Same as we should have comfortably beaten Reading. Football doesn't tend to work that way though...
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gotcha...
 
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those pillocks on the opposing sides management should be sacked, I do feel sorry for their players though, their disallowed goal was a pretty debateable decision, and when they got called off, they didnt know what they were being told
 
Thought the ruled out goal was a bit harsh, though I also think Vidic would have gotten there first had he not been run over. In the prem that's a goal. As was Giggsy's. 1-1 would have been a fair score line. But what were Lille thinking? Walking off in their first ever real CL game? Are you kidding me!?

United again looked fairly subdued in the CL. Although, Rooney's run and chip to giggs should have been goal of the night. Rooney looked fully sharp. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lille peg one back at OT...
 
Dazfeeder said:
you wouldnt say that if it was liverpool scoring like that, typical liverpool fan
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no i wouldnt.

It was blatent bias. Allowing uniteds goal to stand because of the quick free kick rule is scandalous, the rule should be scrapped because its all down to interpretation. I mean whats the point in having a wall if you can just take it anyway?

And Vidic? Good defender, absoloute pansy of a man. Never seen a centre half fall over so much in my life. I'll say it again football is going down the pan, shite referees, money grabbing cheats, divers and con artists.

Bottom line is, United are good enough at playing without the doses of unreal refereeing biasedness that goes on. But footballs big business so the smaller teams will suffer.
 
I'm not saying Lilles goal should have been disaloud but there is clear contact with attackers arms on Vidic. Nothing wrong with Giggs' free kick, the act of the Lille fans and staff was disgraceful.
 
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Thought the ruled out goal was a bit harsh, though I also think Vidic would have gotten there first had he not been run over. In the prem that's a goal. As was Giggsy's. 1-1 would have been a fair score line. But what were Lille thinking? Walking off in their first ever real CL game? Are you kidding me!?

United again looked fairly subdued in the CL. Although, Rooney's run and chip to giggs should have been goal of the night. Rooney looked fully sharp. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lille peg one back at OT...
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They were walking off because they have a small club mentality. Its tough for them to get that far and to see their chance slip away, not through football, but by refereeing incompetence was too much for them.

I dont blame them a jot, i can see it happening moreso in the future too. the games either corrupt or referees are ubelievably incompetent (towards anyone who isnt a big player in world football)
 
antred said:
no i wouldnt.

It was blatent bias. Allowing uniteds goal to stand because of the quick free kick rule is scandalous, the rule should be scrapped because its all down to interpretation. I mean whats the point in having a wall if you can just take it anyway?
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So it was Uniteds fault one of their players were tugging away at Saha :roll:

If the opposition isnt ready for the free kick and the striker of the ball asks the ref is it ok to take the free kick where is the problem ?
 
Metallica said:
So it was Uniteds fault one of their players were tugging away at Saha :roll:

If the opposition isnt ready for the free kick and the striker of the ball asks the ref is it ok to take the free kick where is the problem ?
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the problem is its a grey area.

as i've already stated whats the point of being able to put a wall up at direct freekicks if a player can take it anyway?

Also on the replay, the opposition are still sorting themselves when Giggs just hits it.

You dont see the ref blow.

In fact the ref has his back to giggs and is starting to walk away from the ball.

It a load of bollocks and im pretty sure, that if it was the other way around Ferguson would be blowing a gasket. And while im on Ferguson, his after match interview about 'intimidation' and about needing to sort it out was absoloute comedy.

This from a man whose team over the years has continually berated refs, swarmed on them during matches and players like rooney constantly giving the verbal in their faces.

Honestly footballs on its knees at the moment, we only need the formation of a super league to kil it off for good.

But at least the United fans were ok, last thing we need is another hillsborough, so at least something good came out of it.
 
antred said:
no i wouldnt.

It was blatent bias. Allowing uniteds goal to stand because of the quick free kick rule is scandalous, the rule should be scrapped because its all down to interpretation. I mean whats the point in having a wall if you can just take it anyway?

And Vidic? Good defender, absoloute pansy of a man. Never seen a centre half fall over so much in my life. I'll say it again football is going down the pan, shite referees, money grabbing cheats, divers and con artists.

Bottom line is, United are good enough at playing without the doses of unreal refereeing biasedness that goes on. But footballs big business so the smaller teams will suffer.
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This is naive, Giggs only done what Henry has done on a few occasions before. For me this situation is blown out of proportion. They walked off because a member of their management told them to walk off. So this is caused by small club mentality?

Next time we see a non-league walk off in an FA cup game due to a decision that they don't understand or agree with lets not say that was unlucky lets say "your a small club, you have small club mentality walk off" This is nonsense, know the rules of the game, just because it is a situation that doest come up often learn from it. I'm sure many of these players heard of or seen one of Henry's goals like this.

United were lucky with the disallowed goal but this is football. You win some you lose some.
 
antred said:
the problem is its a grey area.

as i've already stated whats the point of being able to put a wall up at direct freekicks if a player can take it anyway?

Also on the replay, the opposition are still sorting themselves when Giggs just hits it.

You dont see the ref blow.

In fact the ref has his back to giggs and is starting to walk away from the ball.
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You could actually see Giggs and the ref talking, this may sound unfair but if the opposition have given away a free kick they should get ready as quick as possible after all its them that as given it away why give them an advantage. If they feel their not getting ready quick stick a player next to the ball to delay it a little. This is why I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of a foul, if your team is not ready then expect to be punished

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It a load of bollocks and im pretty sure, that if it was the other way around Ferguson would be blowing a gasket. And while im on Ferguson, his after match interview about 'intimidation' and about needing to sort it out was absoloute comedy.

This from a man whose team over the years has continually berated refs, swarmed on them during matches and players like rooney constantly giving the verbal in their faces.
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While Fergie would probably would have been blowing a gasket if it happened to him, how can you not see that the intimidation wasnt there. A member of the Lille staff was a disgrace for waving his arms for the players to get off the pitch in which caused the fans to start getting a little hostile. How is that not intimidating towards Man Utd players/staff/fans


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But at least the United fans were ok, last thing we need is another hillsborough, so at least something good came out of it.
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And nope we dont need another tragedy like that, it did look quite a worry for a while but thankfuly it calmed down
 
Cloud1863 said:
This is naive, Giggs only done what Henry has done on a few occasions before. For me this situation is blown out of proportion. They walked off because a member of their management told them to walk off. So this is caused by small club mentality?

Next time we see a non-league walk off in an FA cup game due to a decision that they don't understand or agree with lets not say that was unlucky lets say "your a small club, you have small club mentality walk off" This is nonsense, know the rules of the game, just because it is a situation that doest come up often learn from it. I'm sure many of these players heard of or seen one of Henry's goals like this.

United were lucky with the disallowed goal but this is football. You win some you lose some.
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so it wasnt a small club mentality then? So they know the rules?

So why did they threaten to walk off?

Something must have stirred it. It wasnt one upset player, it was their whole team and coaching staff.

Just because henry has taken a few freekicks doesnt make that law any better. Fact is its interpretation and i never saw the ref whistle and thats probably what upset Lille no doubt, unless they were just pissed for no reason, but i doubt it.

Wouldnt surprise me in the least if Lille say the ref layed down the free kick rules before the game then went back on it.
 
Metallica said:
While Fergie would probably would have been blowing a gasket if it happened to him, how can you not see that the intimidation wasnt there. A member of the Lille staff was a disgrace for waving his arms for the players to get off the pitch in which caused the fans to start getting a little hostile. How is that not intimidating towards Man Utd players/staff/fans
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Im not saying it wasnt intimadation it was, but Ferguson is quick to forget the amount of times he's used 'intimadation' by his sides to gain advantage. Thats what pisses me off.
 
antred said:
so it wasnt a small club mentality then? So they know the rules?

So why did they threaten to walk off?

Something must have stirred it. It wasnt one upset player, it was their whole team and coaching staff.

Just because henry has taken a few freekicks doesnt make that law any better. Fact is its interpretation and i never saw the ref whistle and thats probably what upset Lille no doubt, unless they were just pissed for no reason, but i doubt it.

Wouldnt surprise me in the least if Lille say the ref layed down the free kick rules before the game then went back on it.
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Look fair play you don't like United, as a Red's fan I expect that. But United took that free kick according the rules of the game. If you've a problem with them that's another debate. It's no big team mentality crap. I agree the first goal is touch or go, I've seen it both ways in the past. Like I said, in England that's a goal. In Spain it's not a goal. So in the CL, well there you go. The second is aboslutely a goal. The advantage of a free kick is to the attacking team, and it is up to them if they want it fast or wait for the whistle. Giggs chose fast, you can see him talking to the ref, who then walks away. Sorry if you don't like the rule but get your conspiracy theories. There were bad decisiosn both ways, twice Unitd players got clearly clipped on the edge of area, no foul. Evra beats the last defender who trips him, no foul. Its part of how it goes.

Btw, good luck to you guys tomorrow, expect a big match against Barce, hopefully a similar mentality to when you beat chelski a couple weeks back.
 
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Im not saying it wasnt intimadation it was, but Ferguson is quick to forget the amount of times he's used 'intimadation' by his sides to gain advantage. Thats what pisses me off.
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Sorry can you remind me of the last time United threatened to leave the field cause they didn't like the decision? I must have forgotten.

It wasn't until the new Chelsea mentality arrived in the prem that true ref hounding began. It's fortunate that you support a team who never question ref decisiosn, that must make things much more rewarding for you. And I agree Rooney curses way too much and should be punished.

What would have been funny is if Fergie had tackled G. Neville, looked like he was going to slap in the head for getting involved! The red nose was out in force!
 
antred said:
so it wasnt a small club mentality then? So they know the rules?

So why did they threaten to walk off?

Something must have stirred it. It wasnt one upset player, it was their whole team and coaching staff.

Just because henry has taken a few freekicks doesnt make that law any better. Fact is its interpretation and i never saw the ref whistle and thats probably what upset Lille no doubt, unless they were just pissed for no reason, but i doubt it.

Wouldnt surprise me in the least if Lille say the ref layed down the free kick rules before the game then went back on it.
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Having a job or working for an organisation you have to understand the rules, laws or regulations. This is something that someone within the club should know if not the whole club. What makes Ryan Giggs or Thierry Henry so special that they know the rules and no one else can?

This is a case of "hard lines".

They were pissed as any footballer would be when you lose a goal. If you think a player was offside you shout for that, if he knocked you down you sue that. In this case a situation occurred that not all of the players were familiar were. Then to add a member of coaching staff saw it fit to bring his team off because he thought what:

1. We were cheated get off due to this abomination.
2. I don't know what happened their so ill try and make someone change their mind by removing my players.
 
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beachryan said:
Sorry can you remind me of the last time United threatened to leave the field cause they didn't like the decision? I must have forgotten.

It wasn't until the new Chelsea mentality arrived in the prem that true ref hounding began. It's fortunate that you support a team who never question ref decisiosn, that must make things much more rewarding for you. And I agree Rooney curses way too much and should be punished.

What would have been funny is if Fergie had tackled G. Neville, looked like he was going to slap in the head for getting involved! The red nose was out in force!
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oh come on!!!!

dont give me that bullcrap! Intimadation isnt just leaving the field, its surrounding and hounding the ref, its insulting referees, its pre match pressure from managers and he and his team have been doing it for years, to such an extent that United get most decisions.

Just be honest and admit it because they do.
 
well, listening to the interviews, ITV interviewed the greek Lille defender, and he said exactly what antred said about Lille not being the big side

interesting....
 
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