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Manchester United Thread

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Sulph said:
Definitely shouldnt have.
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but chelsea doin it is okay give it a rest, ive seen nothing to say why you's are gonna win it, if you played ours or arsenals style of football I could see it but you's are along way from that...
 
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Personally, I think that Chelsea did not win Premiership last year because of the great names or the million-dollar-machine that Abramovich has in the backyard.

Chelsea won Premier League because they were the best TEAM. They did a fantastic team work. John Terry and Frank Lampard are not big signings - they are very good players with a great team sense. Mourinho is a very clever coach, his teams don't make the best looking football but they are very very solid. Chelsea is nothing of a world-class buyer compared with Man Utd, Real Madrid or AC MIlan. Want me to list?

Man Utd: Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Park (arguably the best allaround midfielder in Europe last season), Ferdinand, Cristiano Ronaldo.

AC Milan: Historically the greatest spenders (with Barcelona) - Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Inzaghi, Redondo, Weah, Van Basten, Cafú, Nesta, Baggio, Savicevic... It's a "I Like - I Buy" team.

Barcelona: Ronaldo (OMG, they spent nearly 30 million € nine years ago for a 18 year old unknown brazilian promise), Maradona, Cruyff, Stoichkov, Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo (whom they 'stole' from Deportivo the very last day of the signing season without even telling the other team)...

Real Madrid: before Florentino went there, they did not sign any great players - they all went to Barça. After year 2000, the best players ever.

Chelsea's power is that they built a great team around 'very good', but not 'world class' players. Guys like Ferreira, Carvalho, Cech, Lampard, Terry, Robben, Drogba, Duff... they were not HUGE names. Makelele and Crespo might be their 'big names', but the basis of the team success has ben teamwork, not money spent. Arsenal and MUFC have bigger names that are more valuable, but they don't make up such a good team.

That as seen from Spain. ;)
 
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But Chelsea bought more or less a whole team in one season. All thye other signings were over a period of time. Its completely different.

If Chelsea continued to spend for about 5 more years like how they have been, then Chelsea's list of signings would be far greater than anyone elses.
 
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But my point is that they did not buy very big names. They did the same Deportivo did fifteen years ago, or Villareal did last year.
 
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LOL. You're comparing Villareal to Chelsea?
 
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Gedtillo said:
But my point is that they did not buy very big names. They did the same Deportivo did fifteen years ago, or Villareal did last year.
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Chelsea bought the best that was available at the time, if big stars we're up for grabs they would have gone for them.
 
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Gedtillo said:
AC Milan: Historically the greatest spenders (with Barcelona) - Shevchenko, Rui Costa, Inzaghi, Redondo, Weah, Van Basten, Cafú, Nesta, Baggio, Savicevic... It's a "I Like - I Buy" team.
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So...when one of our legends, and one of the world's best, Baresi retires, we leave a big hole? Roque Junior was shit, so we got Nesta to do the job.

Albertini and Boban were going, we got Redondo to do the job. Rui Costa was also to replace Boban. Shevchenko we paid 15m euros, which is like 9m pounds when no one knew him, beacuse Leonardo and co were retiring. Cafu was FREE, Inzaghi was part of a trade too for Zenoni, Weah we paid also beacuse marco simone left. Baggio was loan. Savicevic we didnt pay that much but it was right after he started to become famous, so we got him for the flank.



Whats wrong with "I like I buy?"... you dont buy someone if you think theyre shit. I think real madrid are the kings of that theory.
 
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Yes they definitely are the kings of that theory.
 
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Anyway I couldn't resist: Why does man utd still field Cristiano Ronaldo, at the weekend he played so predictably pathetic it was hilarious! He literally lost every ball he got!

Also tactically, what is man utd playing at? They have no left flank whatsoever. No attack or defence on that side. Completely uncovered. Carr was able to run down man utd's leftside like it was a stroll in the park.
 
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That was just one bad game for Ronaldo and the rest of them.
 
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Don Domenico said:
Anyway I couldn't resist: Why does man utd still field Cristiano Ronaldo, at the weekend he played so predictably pathetic it was hilarious! He literally lost every ball he got!

Also tactically, what is man utd playing at? They have no left flank whatsoever. No attack or defence on that side. Completely uncovered. Carr was able to run down man utd's leftside like it was a stroll in the park.
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OH GOD, here come don, with another biased attack on man u, maybe we field ronaldo because he creates tons of chances, or that he terrorizes the opponents defense, or that he has a fantastic header for a mid-field player, or maybe its the consistent scoring he displays for club and country... you obviously do not watch enough of Man U to make such a moronic stamente as to be asking why Sir Alex fields ronaldo, every player in the world including zindane or henry or ronaldhino have off games, sunday was one of them for ronaldo, he CERTAINLY has earnend his spot on the pitch from past performances(this season included) and country form, christ go watch Man U at Highbury last year, maybe then you will keep it down a notch, why dont you answer to your previous assesment that rooney is just an english fad :)?
 
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They can say what they want about Rooney. They are probably hurting inside when Rooney shows off his amazing talent. The Newcastle game alone showed this.
 
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csaunders said:
OH GOD, here come don, with another biased attack on man u, maybe we field ronaldo because he creates tons of chances, or that he terrorizes the opponents defense, or that he has a fantastic header for a mid-field player, or maybe its the consistent scoring he displays for club and country... you obviously do not watch enough of Man U to make such a moronic stamente as to be asking why Sir Alex fields ronaldo, every player in the world including zindane or henry or ronaldhino have off games, sunday was one of them for ronaldo, he CERTAINLY has earnend his spot on the pitch from past performances(this season included) and country form, christ go watch Man U at Highbury last year, maybe then you will keep it down a notch, why dont you answer to your previous assesment that rooney is just an english fad :)?
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Oh dear. You really got me there. Especially that Rooney commenty is a comedy classis, as not so long ago you specifically asked me for my oppinion on Rooney and if I recall correctly respected that oppinion as it was far from a 'biased attack'.

Easy escape isn't it? if I have some critizism on your team - it's me that supposedly always attacks man u. I think you're just obvlious to your team's ,or Ronaldo in particular, shortcomings. How do you know how much I watch Man united? You don't. I used the word predictably in my previous post: As every time I see man u, which is quite often contrary to your belief - Ronaldo does NOT perform. Your highbury comment is quite ironic as well: As you blame me for my oppinion on supposedly only one match, then you say I should change my oppinion based on that ONE highbury game.


Oh and Runeedge I never brought up Rooney, maybe you should start to learn how to read.


ps. Rooney is just an English fad :)
 
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Now that you mentioned Rooney, I'll quote my post again.

RuneEdge said:
They can say what they want about Rooney. They are probably hurting inside when Rooney shows off his amazing talent. The Newcastle game alone showed this.
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Is that ok?
 
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That's ok. But why would I be hurting inside? Haha, Because my team lacks talent upfront?
 
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I never actually meant you. Just people who like to hate Man Utd players (so probably you too, lol).
 
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I just note the shortcomings of Cristiano Ronaldo, I don't hate him. Far from it, I think he's hilarious.
 
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Don Domenico said:
Oh dear. You really got me there. Especially that Rooney commenty is a comedy classis, as not so long ago you specifically asked me for my oppinion on Rooney and if I recall correctly respected that oppinion as it was far from a 'biased attack'.

Easy escape isn't it? if I have some critizism on your team - it's me that supposedly always attacks man u. I think you're just obvlious to your team's ,or Ronaldo in particular, shortcomings. How do you know how much I watch Man united? You don't. I used the word predictably in my previous post: As every time I see man u, which is quite often contrary to your belief - Ronaldo does NOT perform. Your highbury comment is quite ironic as well: As you blame me for my oppinion on supposedly only one match, then you say I should change my oppinion based on that ONE highbury game.


Oh and Runeedge I never brought up Rooney, maybe you should start to learn how to read.


ps. Rooney is just an English fad :)
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ok you watch man u alot, then your statments prove your not a good observer of talent, i suppose rio ferdinand sucks too....
 
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Your statements prove you're very petty. Because I dare critisize two man utd players, doesn't mean I critisize them all. Here I thought you were mature, maybe you're right: i'm not a good observer after all.
 
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There's nothing wrong with "I like I buy", but I think Chelsea did not buy the best there was. Real Madrid bought the best there was when they got Figo from Barça, Zizou from Juve, Ronaldo from Inter, Beckham from United... They were not available, but Real got them.

Chelsea got the best that was available... and put together a wonderful team with them. Deportivo did the same in 1991, when they bought Bebeto, Mauro Silva and Donato, they got some young talents from the club and was the runner-up that year. They have been a top team since then. Villareal got all the players that Barça, United, Milan or Valencia did not want (Sorín, Riquelme, Forlán, Roger, José Mari, Anderson...) and put together a wonderful team. Now have signed Tacchinardi, Kromkamp and they have an even better team... buying what it's available. Remember they are playing Champions League this year...

I think that is the way Jose and Chelsea have followed, and not the way United or Arsenal choose. And it has worked. Personally, I think it is good for football to let good teams win, above star-collections. Of course, when stars put together a good team they're invincible. :)

Just one more thing: Real Madrid have only started signing the best players, "I like I buy", since 2000. Previously, they just couldn't get what they wanted, not enough money and not enough stars to convince good players. Many times they ended up with a "second option" instead of the preferred one. Examples:

- Wanted Cafú (1992 or so), got Vítor.
- Wanted Savicevic, got Dubovski.
- Wanted Stojkovic, got Prosinecki.
- Wanted Figo, got Freddy Rincón.
- Wanted Klinsmann, got Solana.
- Wanted Henry, got Anelka.
- Wanted Ronaldo got Baljic.
- Wanted Vieira got Karembeu.
- Wanted Dunga got Rocha.
- Wanted Donadoni got Milla.

And then came Florentino, and at last Real Madrid signed well. They have spent more or less the same amount of money with Florentino than previously... but a lot better invested.
 
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Don Domenico said:
Your statements prove you're very petty. Because I dare critisize two man utd players, doesn't mean I critisize them all. Here I thought you were mature, maybe you're right: i'm not a good observer after all.
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Ooooo. That was witty. But enough of that and stay on topic.

We're supposed to make fun of Arsenal, complain about Chelsea being boring and admire the great talent at United especially the underrated ones like Fletcher.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Ooooo. That was witty. But enough of that and stay on topic.

We're supposed to make fun of Arsenal, complain about Chelsea being boring and admire the great talent at United especially the underrated ones like Fletcher.
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OH yes on topic, I must be in the wrong thread then discussing manchester united?
 
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Don Domenico said:
Your statements prove you're very petty. Because I dare critisize two man utd players, doesn't mean I critisize them all. Here I thought you were mature, maybe you're right: i'm not a good observer after all.
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no im not that mature at all :) but i just we just disagree, i feel ronaldo makes things happen on the pitch and always seems to be in the right place at teh right time... besides the obvious skill and tricks he brings to the games
 
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LOL. I'm sure that was a typo.
 
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don, im suprised you are a moderator

1st thing i wanna say is ronaldo is GOOD ok... a player doesnt always perform well... look at ronaldinho... alot of matches i watch him play.. he doesnt always perform up to 'his' standards... i mean, who does? i play football too, and i can say sometimes i kick ass, every shot would be target, etc... but most of the times im just an average player...
 
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Was he always a mod?
 
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I think Cristiano Ronaldo is a great young talent who will become a very good footballer... if Ferguson can get him to stay calm. Needs to improve his resistance, his team play and his shooting (aiming) skills. He can be the next Ryan Giggs, but on the right side.

There are a lot of good young talents out there, the next World Cup is going to be amazing: Ibrahimovic, C. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rooney, Robinho, Van der Vaart, Snejder, Cassano, F. Torres, Reyes, Xabi Alonso, Cicinho, Robben, Messi, Kaká... Will they all get to be superstars? No. Some will not make it. And C. Ronaldo might be a superstar... or might not. We'll see.
 
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not sure.. nv seem him around...

anyway, i've seen a slight improvement in man utd's style as they are now less impatient and nervous as before therefore resulting in better finishing.. when players are calm, they can shoot better
 
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