YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
far more likely its regarded extending Nani's contract or the possible sale of Rooney to Madrid IMO.
Manchester United Thread
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far more likely its regarded extending Nani's contract or the possible sale of Rooney to Madrid IMO.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Im sure they'll be lots of talks btw now and the summer . It does my head really! Getting those season tickets stold and keeping the stocks high.
Im looking forward to this very exciting. We're hearing Wenger leaving and now seeing MUTD doing a change that was in the works and the way they're excuting evertything is exciting. The supporters should be thrilled to see what lies ahead. I think Rooney is just a side issue part of the works. Sunday is going to be emotional .
Im looking forward to this very exciting. We're hearing Wenger leaving and now seeing MUTD doing a change that was in the works and the way they're excuting evertything is exciting. The supporters should be thrilled to see what lies ahead. I think Rooney is just a side issue part of the works. Sunday is going to be emotional .
impecunious
Banned
good luck to moyes he will have been being doubted since now....
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ss4_goku
Premier League
Good luck to Moyes. As a Man Utd fan, i'll give him my full support even though i'm quite uncertain about how well he'd play out, but he has the largest shoes to fill. Dont think many others have tried and succeeded.
TheJinxedOne
Valar Morghulis.
I'm not happy with Moyes' appointment, I am not a fan of Evertons style of play and Moyes is the reason for it. But I hope for the success of United he works out well.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
A new era beckons 
Hopefully Moyes can do a good job.
Hopefully Moyes can do a good job.
Well, at least it signifies that the board are keen to have us remain a consistent, stable club in these crazy times.
I don't doubt in the short term that Mourinho would have done better than Moyes - the next 2 years probably. He would have the ego to control the dressing room and the cajones to take over from SAF. But, we all know what happens next - he'd leave in 3 seasons, and if history is anything to go on, leave a train wreck behind.
To me Moyes is harkening to the 'old' United, rather than this Sky-built monstrosity. Proven, British manager who commands some respect and would likely be around for forseeable future. Also has shown a good eye for youth and managed well within a budget.
It's not super exciting but then no one was ever going to live up to Fergie. So let's see what happens.
Remember, he's the Moyesiah!
I don't doubt in the short term that Mourinho would have done better than Moyes - the next 2 years probably. He would have the ego to control the dressing room and the cajones to take over from SAF. But, we all know what happens next - he'd leave in 3 seasons, and if history is anything to go on, leave a train wreck behind.
To me Moyes is harkening to the 'old' United, rather than this Sky-built monstrosity. Proven, British manager who commands some respect and would likely be around for forseeable future. Also has shown a good eye for youth and managed well within a budget.
It's not super exciting but then no one was ever going to live up to Fergie. So let's see what happens.
Remember, he's the Moyesiah!
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
PaddyPower already have Ferguson at 5/1 to be the next permanent Man Utd manager
goalgerd
File Maker
Some people are not happy
"It isn't, and will never, ever be time to rally behind Moyes. The man shouldn't be in the job, and probably won't be after his first season.
Moyes will have been appointed with the league in mind, which is sensible, in that it should be the sine qua non of any United season, and that United neither have the players nor money to compete in Europe in the short term. However, Moyes doesn't strike me as a manager likely to replicate Fergie's ability to out-perform higher spending managers at an elite level. He has spent 11 years settling into comfortable mediocrity, at a level where out-managing wealthier and more profligate clubs through consistency and hard work is easier.
Then there's Everton's colossally poor cup and big game record. It's appalling. Moyes, whenever confronted with a team superior or equal to his, reverts to two deep sitting banks of four, a defensive midfielder sweeping between them, and a lone striker to whom the ball is hoofed up to. Whatever else one says of Mourinho and Benitez, they are exceptional managers tactically, have excellent records in isolated matches (note how Mourinho gradually worked out and conquered Pep), and have good cup records. Moyes has none of this, and will increase United's growing inability to win against direct competitors. For a club which considers itself as big as any other in the world, this is not acceptable.
His transfer record is scarcely encouraging either. He uses foreign players to add elan and flair to a nucleus of physical, functional British players, which is acceptable (if very 1990s), however, his record is scarcely encouraging. Bilyaletdinov was an awful signing, Yakubu and Beattie equally poor, and Pienaar and Mirallas are hideously over-rated. Christ alone knows what he'll do to Kagawa, but I'm confident it won't involve playing him consistently as a 10 behind van Persie or Hernandez. And realistically, United desperately need high-class transfers this summer. Nani and Anderson are done at the club, Young is terrible, Valencia now in a slump of Torres proportions, and Cleverley and Welbeck notably failing to develop. At least two exceptional players are needed, and I cannot conceive of James Rodriguez, Lewandowski, or any other player of their calibre, being excited by the prospect of working under David Moyes. Five years ago, United played in an exciting, ground-breaking formation, with exciting, young, international players (including a Ballon D'Or winner), and dominated Europe, notwithstanding Barca. Now we have a mediocre Scot who will scour Europe's minor leagues for bargain players.
And in terms of formation, Moyes loyalty to 4411/442 is simply another reason not to appoint him. Tactically, the world is changing again. Three-man defences are increasingly in vogue, pressing is being done more selectively, and there is a diversity of tactical options across Europe (Montella's Fiorentina are a joy to watch). Persisting with one of Fergie's salient weaknesses, his tactics, by appointing a manager from the same traditionally 'British' school, is obtuse. United, with diminished resources, need a manager able to out-think the opposition, and that doesn't involve a Mike Bassett style four four f***ing two, muscle-bound hulks in midfield, and obdurate defensiveness.
If United wanted a manager to promote youth, whilst remaining consistent to the values of the club, they ought to have looked to Klopp. AVB would have made sense, although been expensive. But United have wasted a huge opportunity in appointing Moyes, and favoured mediocrity over a chance of excellence".
"It isn't, and will never, ever be time to rally behind Moyes. The man shouldn't be in the job, and probably won't be after his first season.
Moyes will have been appointed with the league in mind, which is sensible, in that it should be the sine qua non of any United season, and that United neither have the players nor money to compete in Europe in the short term. However, Moyes doesn't strike me as a manager likely to replicate Fergie's ability to out-perform higher spending managers at an elite level. He has spent 11 years settling into comfortable mediocrity, at a level where out-managing wealthier and more profligate clubs through consistency and hard work is easier.
Then there's Everton's colossally poor cup and big game record. It's appalling. Moyes, whenever confronted with a team superior or equal to his, reverts to two deep sitting banks of four, a defensive midfielder sweeping between them, and a lone striker to whom the ball is hoofed up to. Whatever else one says of Mourinho and Benitez, they are exceptional managers tactically, have excellent records in isolated matches (note how Mourinho gradually worked out and conquered Pep), and have good cup records. Moyes has none of this, and will increase United's growing inability to win against direct competitors. For a club which considers itself as big as any other in the world, this is not acceptable.
His transfer record is scarcely encouraging either. He uses foreign players to add elan and flair to a nucleus of physical, functional British players, which is acceptable (if very 1990s), however, his record is scarcely encouraging. Bilyaletdinov was an awful signing, Yakubu and Beattie equally poor, and Pienaar and Mirallas are hideously over-rated. Christ alone knows what he'll do to Kagawa, but I'm confident it won't involve playing him consistently as a 10 behind van Persie or Hernandez. And realistically, United desperately need high-class transfers this summer. Nani and Anderson are done at the club, Young is terrible, Valencia now in a slump of Torres proportions, and Cleverley and Welbeck notably failing to develop. At least two exceptional players are needed, and I cannot conceive of James Rodriguez, Lewandowski, or any other player of their calibre, being excited by the prospect of working under David Moyes. Five years ago, United played in an exciting, ground-breaking formation, with exciting, young, international players (including a Ballon D'Or winner), and dominated Europe, notwithstanding Barca. Now we have a mediocre Scot who will scour Europe's minor leagues for bargain players.
And in terms of formation, Moyes loyalty to 4411/442 is simply another reason not to appoint him. Tactically, the world is changing again. Three-man defences are increasingly in vogue, pressing is being done more selectively, and there is a diversity of tactical options across Europe (Montella's Fiorentina are a joy to watch). Persisting with one of Fergie's salient weaknesses, his tactics, by appointing a manager from the same traditionally 'British' school, is obtuse. United, with diminished resources, need a manager able to out-think the opposition, and that doesn't involve a Mike Bassett style four four f***ing two, muscle-bound hulks in midfield, and obdurate defensiveness.
If United wanted a manager to promote youth, whilst remaining consistent to the values of the club, they ought to have looked to Klopp. AVB would have made sense, although been expensive. But United have wasted a huge opportunity in appointing Moyes, and favoured mediocrity over a chance of excellence".
mathewsss
Champions League
United have gone for the "stable" or "British is best" route in the false pride of keeping the traditions going.
But to be fair, I don't think they have any other choice to keep their identity as Britain's top club. Imagine the greatest British club being managed by some young German coach like Klopp. If he failed, the media would have torn him into pieces. Man United are the crown jewel of England and Great Britain's sporting heritage. They did not want a foreign manager who would take over for his own CV's sake, or someone who would leave after 2 years.
So in that regard it's a good appointment, but one that smells of mediocrity.
So the best bet was the "best of the British" which is David Moyes, but for me he will not be able to lead United to a title, forget anything in Europe. He's a solid manager and will get them organised defensively, but he does not have the "winning" mentality that greats like Fergie had.
If you look at the great coaches like Mourinho, Guardiola, Van Gaal, Heynckes, etc....they made their teams winners...
Did Moyes do that with everton? No...he made them fighters, who made themselves very difficult to beat and play against....but they were not winners.
Man City and Chelsea will fight for top-2, with United, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool for the top-6.
But to be fair, I don't think they have any other choice to keep their identity as Britain's top club. Imagine the greatest British club being managed by some young German coach like Klopp. If he failed, the media would have torn him into pieces. Man United are the crown jewel of England and Great Britain's sporting heritage. They did not want a foreign manager who would take over for his own CV's sake, or someone who would leave after 2 years.
So in that regard it's a good appointment, but one that smells of mediocrity.
So the best bet was the "best of the British" which is David Moyes, but for me he will not be able to lead United to a title, forget anything in Europe. He's a solid manager and will get them organised defensively, but he does not have the "winning" mentality that greats like Fergie had.
If you look at the great coaches like Mourinho, Guardiola, Van Gaal, Heynckes, etc....they made their teams winners...
Did Moyes do that with everton? No...he made them fighters, who made themselves very difficult to beat and play against....but they were not winners.
Man City and Chelsea will fight for top-2, with United, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool for the top-6.
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Who wrote that? Must be young, whoever it was, to suggest AVB. And saying '3 man defences are in vogue'? Really? In the premier league you have, um, no one playing 3 at the back. Other than Mancini's 'experiment' which probably cost City the league. Bayern? Barca? Real? Dortmund? No?
In terms of spend over the last decade, Everton sit in 15th place. Teams like West Ham, Villa, Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham - even West Brom have higher net spend in the last 10 years than Everton. Yet he's finished top 7 every year, and made the CL. Tottenham have spent 4x as much as Everton, and both have made the CL once. So in terms of extracting value from signings, I hardly think he can be criticised. Who has been better?
As for the cup/big matches thing - that is the point that worries me most. I guess we'll see if it continues at United.
All the other points sound like a serious football hipster that probably wanted United to appoint some 3rd division Norwegian coach because he'd probably implemented a false 7 and a half with inverted wing backs and a goalkeeper with tape on his glasses.
In terms of spend over the last decade, Everton sit in 15th place. Teams like West Ham, Villa, Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham - even West Brom have higher net spend in the last 10 years than Everton. Yet he's finished top 7 every year, and made the CL. Tottenham have spent 4x as much as Everton, and both have made the CL once. So in terms of extracting value from signings, I hardly think he can be criticised. Who has been better?
As for the cup/big matches thing - that is the point that worries me most. I guess we'll see if it continues at United.
All the other points sound like a serious football hipster that probably wanted United to appoint some 3rd division Norwegian coach because he'd probably implemented a false 7 and a half with inverted wing backs and a goalkeeper with tape on his glasses.
To be honest, that's how it should be. I know it's boring, and a lot of people don't like to talk about it, but City and Chelsea outspend every team in the transfer market by an order of magnitude, and have significantly higher wages than all other teams.
It's dull, but spend almost perfectly correlates with league table finishes. Read soccernomics. Bayern have massively higher wages than anyone in Germany, Barca have the highest wages in the world and PSG have the highest in France. See a trend?
Fergie (and Wenger) are the exceptions because they're f*cking awesome. Is Moyes that awesome? I doubt it.
But as Klopp was clearly not going to leave his project, at least we've chosen sensibly.
mathewsss
Champions League
I don't think Fergie and Charlton wanted to gamble on a foreign manager who did not understand the history and tradition of Manchester United.
Like I said, given all the factors for United's consideration of stability and a British manager, Moyes is a decent choice.
But I also feel that Ferguson will be in the background as a backup option. Moyes would not mind checking with Ferguson for advice.
And if he fails, I can see Ferguson coming back as emergency.
goalgerd
File Maker
Somebody else has a crystal ball
"David Moyes will be the next Manchester United manager. Over the last day, opinions have swung one way then t'other. With some deciding he'll be an awful failure and others suggesting people should give him a chance, that's he has many of the attributes that made Sir one of the greatest managers ever.
We could argue the point all day long, but I'll leave that to others. What I think will happen is this, and not only do I believe it will happen, I think very sensible and clear-thinking football fans KNOW this will happen.
Moyes will come in with goodwill and the full backing of the board. Every ex-pro will eulogise at the appointment, saying how it's a natural transition, how Ferguson himself sees a young Fergie in this red-haired frowning Glaswegian.
The reality is, that we are not in a world where football is ruled by sensible people. We are in a world where football is ruled by money, people with and people without, Chairman with and Chairman without, Glazers with...and well, United 300million without. Moyes is in a world where promises will be made, timelines will be forecast and five-year plans will be bandied about by the higher echelons of Old Trafford but the sane and only truth of the matter is that it's all written in invisible ink. Time is a commodity that he will not be afforded, certainly not in the manner Sir was. It's a win win win time we live in, especially for a club like United. Excuses (and they will come) about transition, new ethos, gelling and other clichés will not be enough.
I foresee United falling down the league. Maybe not as drastically as some have suggested, maybe even quicker, but it WILL happen. Ronaldo, Falcao, Lewandoski and a raft of other potential targets will NOT find 'the theatre of Dreams' as an attractive a stage to perform as they would have a week ago. United are an animal, they are truly one of the elite forces in world football, but even now are without a genuine superstar to guide them forward, with rumours of Rooney asking to leave and no Ronaldo-esque goal machine to drive them forward you have to ask how many of their players would you actually want in your team if you wanted to challenge for the League and Europe. Vidic? Yes Rooney? Probably. Valencia? Please. I can hear people screaming that they just won the league with these very players - yes they did, with Ferguson in charge, with no challenge whatsoever from any other team and with possibly the worst standard of the Premier League for quite some time.
There is a lot of talk about Sir leaving a young and vibrant squad behind...Carrick, Ferdinand, Giggs, Vidic, Evra - all mainstays of this year's title-winning team are all 30+ and approaching the golden years, if not beyond. Welbeck doesn't score enough, Hernandez doesn't play and Rooney doesn't want to be there.
Whoever took over was on a hiding to nothing, fact. But when Rodgers took over Liverpool there was a general consensus that this was the right guy to move forward with. Laudraup has come in and won a trophy with a squad you have to say is on par with or worse than Everton's, where were Everton's scouts when Michu became available? I can't believe I'm saying this but even Steve Mclaren won a cup and got to a Euro final.
If you are a United fan I have only this to tell you Be grateful you had so much success, because it is over. You may win a few cups here and there, it may even be with Moyes, but it's over. Sir was a one-off, and was the exception to, not the rule. He's not a bad manager, but he's not a great one either, and while nobody can ever replace the legacy and success that Alex Ferguson has left, David Moyes will be just a brief footnote in the task of replacing him in the long term".
Some united fans really dont like the idea of this do they?
"David Moyes will be the next Manchester United manager. Over the last day, opinions have swung one way then t'other. With some deciding he'll be an awful failure and others suggesting people should give him a chance, that's he has many of the attributes that made Sir one of the greatest managers ever.
We could argue the point all day long, but I'll leave that to others. What I think will happen is this, and not only do I believe it will happen, I think very sensible and clear-thinking football fans KNOW this will happen.
Moyes will come in with goodwill and the full backing of the board. Every ex-pro will eulogise at the appointment, saying how it's a natural transition, how Ferguson himself sees a young Fergie in this red-haired frowning Glaswegian.
The reality is, that we are not in a world where football is ruled by sensible people. We are in a world where football is ruled by money, people with and people without, Chairman with and Chairman without, Glazers with...and well, United 300million without. Moyes is in a world where promises will be made, timelines will be forecast and five-year plans will be bandied about by the higher echelons of Old Trafford but the sane and only truth of the matter is that it's all written in invisible ink. Time is a commodity that he will not be afforded, certainly not in the manner Sir was. It's a win win win time we live in, especially for a club like United. Excuses (and they will come) about transition, new ethos, gelling and other clichés will not be enough.
I foresee United falling down the league. Maybe not as drastically as some have suggested, maybe even quicker, but it WILL happen. Ronaldo, Falcao, Lewandoski and a raft of other potential targets will NOT find 'the theatre of Dreams' as an attractive a stage to perform as they would have a week ago. United are an animal, they are truly one of the elite forces in world football, but even now are without a genuine superstar to guide them forward, with rumours of Rooney asking to leave and no Ronaldo-esque goal machine to drive them forward you have to ask how many of their players would you actually want in your team if you wanted to challenge for the League and Europe. Vidic? Yes Rooney? Probably. Valencia? Please. I can hear people screaming that they just won the league with these very players - yes they did, with Ferguson in charge, with no challenge whatsoever from any other team and with possibly the worst standard of the Premier League for quite some time.
There is a lot of talk about Sir leaving a young and vibrant squad behind...Carrick, Ferdinand, Giggs, Vidic, Evra - all mainstays of this year's title-winning team are all 30+ and approaching the golden years, if not beyond. Welbeck doesn't score enough, Hernandez doesn't play and Rooney doesn't want to be there.
Whoever took over was on a hiding to nothing, fact. But when Rodgers took over Liverpool there was a general consensus that this was the right guy to move forward with. Laudraup has come in and won a trophy with a squad you have to say is on par with or worse than Everton's, where were Everton's scouts when Michu became available? I can't believe I'm saying this but even Steve Mclaren won a cup and got to a Euro final.
If you are a United fan I have only this to tell you Be grateful you had so much success, because it is over. You may win a few cups here and there, it may even be with Moyes, but it's over. Sir was a one-off, and was the exception to, not the rule. He's not a bad manager, but he's not a great one either, and while nobody can ever replace the legacy and success that Alex Ferguson has left, David Moyes will be just a brief footnote in the task of replacing him in the long term".
Some united fans really dont like the idea of this do they?
That sounds like a LFC fan. And United fans don't like the idea of losing their position as the dominant force in English football? I'll go ahead and speak for all of us - no not really. Thanks though. The battle for 4th does sound exciting, so maybe I'll change my mind over the course of the next 12 months.
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
I must say I'm rather enjoying so many folks predicting a major slide down the world football ranks.
mathewsss
Champions League
Success does'nt last forever. Ask us Liverpool fans, when I was a kid I was in dreamland watching Dalglish's team winning trophies in the late 80s while United were languishing in mid-table.
And then watching the demise of Liverpool FC with Hillsborough and the leaving of Dalglish was painful
with United taking over....painful :-)
Of course United will not decline in the same way, since they have a younger team and seem to be better managed, but they still have tons of debt and have just lost the best British manager of all time.
I don't think they will be automatic title favorites any more. It will be top-4 battles and cups to fight for. And a lot of the attraction value for players has gone down with Moyes who is not anywhere close to the league of Ferguson.
United will have lost that invincible aura that they had with Fergie.
There's nowhere to go but down. We're currently top of the league.
Football is about cycles, we'll see what happens when this current 'super-spending' one is over. If FFP actually has any teeth then United will be in a great position to compete every year.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Hold your horses! 
Yeah, we've lost Sir Alex, so were not as strong as last season obviously but you have to remember he still is in the background somewhere for the short term, are squad as of today is pretty good.
I wouldn't worry about top 4 next year, I think top 3 is the minimum requirement and a realistic aim is I think we should 'challenge' for the title. we might not have a manager whose won much but our squad are most certainly winners and perennial ones at that.
Its too early to predict where I expect Moyes to get us next season because I can see it being a very long summer in terms of comings and goings for not just us but our rivals.
The reason Liverpool declined was down to the fact Dalglish left Souness with an old squad, Sir Alex has left Moyes with the foundations of the next decade in place.
Yeah, we've lost Sir Alex, so were not as strong as last season obviously but you have to remember he still is in the background somewhere for the short term, are squad as of today is pretty good.
I wouldn't worry about top 4 next year, I think top 3 is the minimum requirement and a realistic aim is I think we should 'challenge' for the title. we might not have a manager whose won much but our squad are most certainly winners and perennial ones at that.
Its too early to predict where I expect Moyes to get us next season because I can see it being a very long summer in terms of comings and goings for not just us but our rivals.
The reason Liverpool declined was down to the fact Dalglish left Souness with an old squad, Sir Alex has left Moyes with the foundations of the next decade in place.
goalgerd
File Maker
im in the same boat,was 12 the last time liverpool won the league so im just happy i remember it, what happened to liverpool wont happen to united as liverpool missed the boat with the start of the new premier league with regards to stadia, youth players and seeing the bigger picture globally(and theyve never really recovered) where united now are in a really strong position on all fronts now
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Well Moyes isn't my personal choice but I suppose it's a good thing I'm not in charge of that decision. Only thing we can do now is get behind him, perhaps he'll surprise everyone and continue the success.
Would be amazing if we do actually get Ronaldo back but I'm not holding my breath. Felt a little excited and more confident about it before SAF retired but now? I'm not so sure.
Either way this summer will be incredibly interesting. We needed to strengthen anyway but this is so completely out of the blue that noone knows who will stay and who will go. I can see us spending a fair whack and maybe we'll even buy a midfielder?
Would be amazing if we do actually get Ronaldo back but I'm not holding my breath. Felt a little excited and more confident about it before SAF retired but now? I'm not so sure.
Either way this summer will be incredibly interesting. We needed to strengthen anyway but this is so completely out of the blue that noone knows who will stay and who will go. I can see us spending a fair whack and maybe we'll even buy a midfielder?
TheJinxedOne
Valar Morghulis.
I'm almost certain he's leaving he blamed Moyes for his leaving Everton, he looked unhappy during these last months and has been consistently undermined by the arrival of RvP.
Tactically I cant see how he'd fit Moyes' system at all, coupled in that he has previously expressed a desire to play abroad it seems more likely that he will leave this year.
Without Fergie United are half as attractive as they were a week ago.
top stars will no longer join United so easily anymore.. consider this you're Lewandowski looking for a new club you have the choice of Manchester City, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United and Bayern Munich who do you choose to join? Consider the wages they can pay, the recent success of the club and manager reputation and most recent success, who are you truly going to Join? United still have a global appeal, we will of course be competitive, but where it comes to paying money we no longer have the fergie effect to over power that extra £25k in wages, working with Moyes winner of one solitary League 1 title and 11 trophyless years at Everton does not have the same appeal as working with Sir Alex Ferguson winner of 13 premier leagues with 27 years of top flight experience who it can be said built the current state of affairs at the club in terms of youth structure, scouting sytem and first team management and probably even more on terms of club management behind the scenes.
We have the advantage that he will continue in an advisor role with the club, and the ideal situation would be that Moyes allows Ferguson the final say on transfer targets following his own scouting until he's more accustomed to the level of signing United need, a player like Mirralas is fantastic for Everton but not a championship winning player.
Of course I believe David will attempt to bring Baines, Fellaini and (less likely) Pienaar with him to United. His usual system with Everton is a 4-4-2 switching to 4-4-1-1 in latter stages of a game I believe his starting XI will be as follows:
-----------------De Gea
-Rafael-----Evans-----Vidic-----Baines-
-Valencia--Carrick----Fellaini---Pienaar (more likely Young however)
-----------RvP-------Hernandez
With Kagawa coming in as the CF when 4-4-1-1.
My biggest issue in terms of Moyes' system and tactics is that he tends to be too Functional and Methodical in the way his team plays, its too rigid in play and efficiency is great I will admit but when you have plays who have to be one way and one way only it doesn't allow for adaption in games and its likely that his teams will implode during games, I don't believe he has the tactical know how to make the change on the fly that Ferguson had, his lack of success at Everton particular in ever managing to sustain a European Qualifying campaign (2004? Being an exception) suggests he lacks a mental toughness to push a team to a greater success than what the team should achieve as a baseline, for example this seasons United should have been a 2nd place team when compared to City, yet Ferguson pushed for the title and we absolutely ran away with it. In the sane time Moyes' Everton looked capable of a top 4 finish and yet as the season progressed they faltered and Moyes could not come up with an antidote for it, I fear that he will be the same at United and we will continually fall short during his tenure.
I'm absolutely being a harsh critic as I can not stand Everton as a team, Moyes is a manager who I have limited respect for in terms of tactical soundness and I am a United fan who has grown up surrounded by the fergie success story. SAF is one of a kind, a manager who mixed the old school British system with the new age European system to create a fluctuating hybrid that could dig deep when required but also out play teamsat a canter when on fire. His is a legacy that will stand for years, a story of success that will likely never be surpassed and one which is a standard which any man will have to stand in the shadow of regardless of their own successes.
As it is, in Ferguson I trust and so if he says Moyes is the man for the job then Moyes is the man for the job as far as I can decide and for the life of me I hope that its a successful choice. Long live the future.
Godotelli
Stroking Silva's Hair
I guess you're now the Moyesy neighbours
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goalgerd
File Maker
Ferguson also said and recommended Alex Mcleish for the aston villa job, the less said about that the better
Just out of interest, what differentiates us from other 'super power teams' then? Because Tito Villanova is hardly proven. That random ex-player Pep Gaurdiola either. Heynkes has a good track record but I can't imagine many players desperate to join one of his teams. Klopp had a relatively poor record before the current gig.
I like to think joining Manchester United still has some draw.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
imo nothing will realy chainge for United, Ferguson is gone, but these players are champions.. + United will add a superstar in summer i believe..
i think if Tottenham doesn´t qualify for CL they will go for Bale.. so i wouldn´t predict Pienaar on that left wing...United are champions, they can go better than that..with all respect to Pienaar.
i think if Tottenham doesn´t qualify for CL they will go for Bale.. so i wouldn´t predict Pienaar on that left wing...United are champions, they can go better than that..with all respect to Pienaar.