Manchester United Thread

beachryan said:
Reached more finals than anyone else in his tenure. True, he was shown up twice in a row by that Barcelona team, but that team may go down in history as the best club team in the world.

He's won 3. Hardly weak. It's another myth the scousers in particular like to peddle.

Also worth noting that the strongest United team in the early/mid 90's weren't allowed to field their full team due to the rules.

But you're clearly on a WUM evening, so I should probably just start ignoring you.

Yes it's a glorious day for Manchester City - who should be revelling now that they will find it a bit easier to buy their title next year.
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Yep, I'm the wum when you're acting as if only european trophies count. :FAIL:
If that's true, make all the excuses you like, 2 CL, one won on penalties thanks to a slip, in 20 odd years at MUFC isn't great - according to you.
 
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Ronaldo celebrated today's goal at Real Madrid by beating his chest (crest side) and screaming "I'M STAYING HERE!" in Spanish. End of.

Well that doesn't sound hopeful.
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That was an obvious after effect the moment this morning's news broke, there wasn't really a destination for him other than reuniting with Sir Alex.

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Oh and now all the journos are collectively agreeing Rooney has asked to leave again. Joy.

What a summer that'd be. Lose Fergie. Lose Rooney. Scholes retires again. Mourinho to Chelsea. City to buy Dortmund.

Exciting stuff.
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:OOOH:

As I said prior, will be one hell of a Summer, just going to try and enjoy Swansea at home as much as possible, its going to be emotional stuff.

Amusing also listening to the confidence from Godotelli, ay maybe next year we'll only be 5 ahead instead of 10 ;))
 
We'll probably both end up being 10 behind.

Could see Moutinho (Moyes has been after him a few times) being a target.
Something tells me that Moyes doesn't get on with Fellaini
 
Rooney leaving would bother me, but it wouldn't for long I think. Let's not forget he tried to leave before in a fairly defiant way. I don't blame the guy anymore but unless he finds renewed motivation with us, it might be better for him to seek new challenges elsewhere.
All in all' I find it very hard to believe the organization and SAF haven't thought this through in great detail. A full contingency plan will go into effect..SAF will still remain a figure head at the club and I d wager we already have some pretty nice incoming transfers lined up.

Swansea is not a club I'd necessarily wish a lot a lot of Ill upon but in fergie s honor..I hope the team lays the smack down on em this weekend.
 
Fellaini is probably Chelsea bound, I don't really want him neither Baines to be honest.

I think its too early to consider ins and out's now, we'll see who wants out (Rooney?) who looked to be gone might now stay (Nani? Anderson?) and possible targets might not be what Moyes wants (Lewandowski)

Chelsea will challenge but I think your the more stable of the two and will likely finish above them.
 
It will be interesting to see how United fans adjust to being properly in transition. I can't see us challenging for the title next season, regardless of who we get in.

We'll of lost the greatest manager in history and the player that has contributed the most goals/assists in the league in the last half decade. At the same time.

Really hope Nani uses the change as a fresh start. I really do believe he could be an excellent player for us, if used properly. I've given up hope on Ando. Hope he leaves for pastures new. Could see him being good in Italy, given a bit more time on the ball.
 
Rooney hasn't looked bothered/happy for quite a while now. Do you think he has been tapped up or is it down to something else like being 2nd fiddle to RVP?
 
Sir Alex is still at the club Beach, you have to remember he's now a 'Director' so while he essentially isn't running the football team, I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with Moyes and teaching him the ropes of the rest.

It's too early to predict what are team will look like next season after the hectic day we've had. Rooney would be a loss but one I think is manageable, his destination would be a bigger factor. we can't improve our direct competition.
 
Were not Arsenal's direct competiton anymore, or weren't the moment of the sale. Rooney story on SKY, OK he's off.

:LOL: WOW what a 24 hour period.
 
Moyes, whose £4million-a-year contract at Goodison Park expires at the end of the season, was in London last night to inform Everton chairman Bill Kenwright of his impending departure. Kenwright insisted last night that “a deal is not done” but an announcement is expected some time today.

However, one of the first tasks Moyes will face at United will be to persuade Wayne Rooney he has a future at the club.

The striker, who was sold by Moyes to United for £27million in Aug 2004, wants a new challenge after growing frustrated at his loss of status at the club.

He met Ferguson two weeks ago to explain his determination to leave the club this summer but was told by the outgoing manager that United would not agree to a sale. When asked about Rooney’s request last night a United spokesman said: “Wayne Rooney is not for sale.”

It is understood that Rooney, 27, has no desire to move away from the Premier League and that Chelsea is his most likely destination. Rooney’s uncertain future has increased speculation of a move for former player Cristiano Ronaldo, whose contract negotiations have reached an impasse at Real Madrid.

However, the cost of such a deal would make it difficult for United to sanction a move and any transfer would have to be approved by Moyes.

Moyes’ move to Old Trafford became a formality once United confirmed yesterday morning that Ferguson was to end his 27-year reign as manager following the Premier League fixture against West Bromwich Albion at the Hawthorns on May 19.

Despite long-term speculation linking Real coach Jose Mourinho with the United job, the Portuguese was not considered by the club’s American owners, the Glazer family.

Ferguson informed them in late February that this season would be his last. Neither United chief executive David Gill nor the Glazers tried to change his mind.

The Glazers and Gill sought Ferguson’s advice on the man best suited to succeed him and he nominated Moyes. Senior figures at the club *confirmed that the 71-year-old’s contribution was fundamental to the decision to pursue Moyes.

Although Moyes’ lack of Champions League experience has been raised as a potential handicap to his ability to build on Ferguson’s legacy of two European Cups, United are confident that the 50-year-old will thrive among Europe’s elite.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ob-but-Wayne-Rooney-seeks-exit-from-club.html
 
Rooney can go.

I still dislike him immensely after the first transfer request, but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd seen the error of his ways, even if it wasn't so immediate like most United fans.

Now though. Two transfer requests, terrible form, lack of professionalism (can guarantee he'll get lashed all summer and come back looking like Fat Ronaldo), constant winging when he doesn't get his own way, etc.

He's no longer irreplaceable, nor even seemingly half the play he was a few years ago. Can't see him going abroad though so that leaves City and Chelsea. Can't be having them take one of our better players off us, what message does that send out?
 
This is my opinion on the Moyes appointment.
I'm a Liverpool fan BTW...


I think United are making a mistake in appointing David Moyes. This appointment symbolizes the weakness of British footballing talent in management. When you look at the list of British managers who could have been considered, David Moyes tops the list and the man has not even won a single trophy in 10 years of top flight management. True that he has managed the maximum out of Everton and taken them to one FA cup final, but I suspect Man United have made a mistake here. To me this rings a bell with the appointment of McClaren with england and Hodgson with Liverpool.

If you look at the other choices of British managers, there was nobody else with even a half-decent record. Redknapp was the only coach, but he's nearing retirement himself !
The other coaches who were flashes in the pan like Alan Curbishley, John Gregory, Steve McClaren, Martin ONeill, Chris Hughton, Alan Pardew, Steve Bruce, Ian Holloway, Owen Coyle, Sam Allardyce were all decent in a few seasons here and there, but all lacked the quality.
Even Kevin Keegan and Kenny Dalglish who were two of the recent British challengers to Ferguson, both were found out to be not good enough.

With David Moyes, again the decision seems to be based on getting a traditional British manager who has a winning mentality.
This was relevant in the 80s when English clubs were very strong with great managers like Paisley, Clough, Fagan who ruled Europe.
Alex Ferguson had won 3 titles with Aberdeen and beaten Real Madrid in the Cup Winners cup final. He was no David Moyes !!!
He was a winner with trophies under his belt who had a track record of winning at different clubs.

Today such a British manager does not exist. And that is the sad plight of British football, when the likes of Mancini, Mourinho will rule the Premiership with Villas Boas, Wenger behind them.
The best British managers are David Moyes and Brendan Rodgers whose clubs are nowhere near top-4.
Who else is even close that ?

Germany, Spain, Italy still produce great managers......not Britain.

To me the retirement of SAF is a historic milestone that shows the decline of the British manager.

David Moyes is just a sentimental choice in the hope of restoring British pride which has long been extinguished.
 
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it´s all about how the fans and club and the players back the manager... don´t forget even some United fans wanted to sack Ferguson after 3 years to his career with them...

I think United are taking best possible option, a manager who has the quality to learn "under" Ferguson for some time untill he starts his own work..

Britain also produced great managers in past, just the football in Britain chainged, basicly it chainged everywhere...it´s more global sport and to take over a PL club is a big risk for any manager..even if you look on how much good managers from abroad didn´t managed to get results with superstars at Chelsea or even City..who underperfomed this season...

edit: PL became much competitive for more than just 3 or 4 teams as in past... you have to count in Tottenham, Chelsea and City while in past it was enough for LFC, Arsenal, United to get to top 4 somehow, things chainged... CL is where the money is and all the teams are desperate for points.. Managers can´t work under so much pressure and the owners usually rich ones are not so much patient as United owners were in 1989 ...i doubt it is about nationality of the managers... i doubt Guardiola would do something about it in England... or any so called top manager...
 
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At the time Ferguson joined United, i was a Man Utd fan.
After 1999 i never liked him for some reason, but he is one of the best managers of all time in football, argubaly the most succesfull.
When he took over United were in a shambles and now that he leaves they are a machine...

No matter who succeeds him will have an extremely difficult task. I expect key players to leave...and IMO this current crop was far from the best.

The new manager will need all the support of the fans. Maybe those fans might do well to remember that Ferguson's first two seasons weren't exactly a big success. In fact if he hadn't won the FA Cup he would have been sacked in his second season...can you imagine that.

IMO Man United are a stable and reasonabel club so Ferguson's successor will get at least 3 seasons before being judged (but to be honest i thought the same about Liverpool after Benitez).

I really like what Moyes has done with Everton, that is immense. Still i have my doubts: against the really big clubs Moyes tactics were often too conservative...i also wonder if he is "high profile" enough to succeede Fergie...on the other hand i would appreciate the fact that the biggest English club goes for a manager with a lover profile.

i wonder if Ferguson will not miss it all...i also hope they keep him far from Old Trafford because the last thing the new manager needs is a mother in law...


Good luck to United. It would not be good if the club would eclipse somehow, but i'm rather confident that will not happen.
 
It will be interesting, no doubt.

When Dalglish left us in the early 90's we thought we'd just go on, but that vital appointment failed miserably and we spiralled out of control after years and years of dominance.

Ferguson tenure is unheard of in the modern game - a manager who had been there for 26 years - hell i remember when he first came to United and he was struggling to get things going and united were bobbing about in the old first division near the foot of the table.

Theres a few things to consider about Moyes.

- will he command the respect of the squad like Ferguson did? he doesnt carry the clout, experience or know how of the old school manager.

- How will he deal with pressure having to win week to week and having a transfer budget?

- Is Moyes just one of those mid table managers that thrives on making the best from very little, like O'Neil and Allardyce?

- Will Moyes be afforded the kind of slack Ferguson has built up, not just in the footballing world but in the press?

- Moyes isnt a knight of the realm. Moyes isnt as fearsome to upset as Ferguson was. Will United get the rub still?

Lots of interesting stuff.
 
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Nobody can follow Ferguson, it is the toughest job in football.

But Moyes will have the best set up to be successful.
 
He had a good record before he fucked up at Sunderland

He probably would have gotten more time to turn it around in the past tho
 
Suarez75 said:
I dont know how you can class that as being a top manager - theres only two teams in scotland, or their was at the time.
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Well he did quite well with Celtic.
The fact that there are only two teams makes it even more difficult for a manager.
For a manager there are no big or litle leagues.

In fact it is very difficult to say what a good manager precisely is. I'm certain that some high profile mangers would not have as good results as (for example) O' Neill with so-called lesser teams, just like O' Neill (for example) might be a "bad" manager for big clubs.

The fact is that you can't compare managers. To make it easy we Judge by their results, but IMO that is not the way to Judge them (there is no way).

Is a manager of a team that wins the league (and i'm not talking about Ferguson here) better than Paul Lambert at Aston Villa this year ? The result might suggest that, but i'm not sure...

While it's fun to discuss on internet forums, there is no sensible way one can compare managers...the best manager in the world may well be John Doe who is caoching a team in Indonesia.
 
Everton can confirm that David Moyes will leave the Club at the end of the season.

The Manager met Chairman Bill Kenwright early yesterday evening (Wednesday 8th May) and confirmed his desire to join Manchester United.

The Chairman, on behalf of the Club, would like to place on record his thanks to David for the massive contribution he has made to Everton since his arrival in March 2002. He has been an outstanding Manager.

During his tenure at Goodison Park, David has taken charge of the team on over 500 occasions including four European campaigns.

His final two games as Everton Manager will be the remaining Premier League matches against West Ham United and Chelsea.

Everton officials will start the search for a replacement manager immediately.
 
it will be very hard to manchester united and Moyes himself , I think after few season he will get sacked and I predict united to dont win any trophy in next 5 years at last and next season to finish behind Chelsea and City in table , pression gonna be big and players will not join united as they did when fergie was trainer , just look at bayern how players want to play under Guardiola next season !


before was posted this on Offical FB of united but later they delete this pic !
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