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Come on mathewsss, would you stop those constant attacks against Roy and defenses of Benitez. You didnt say all those stuff about Benitez when he was here, and I perfectly remember you saying that the club was being run by proffesionals when they decided to fire Benitez to bring Hodgson.
I dont like Hodgson neither, I never thought we should have gone for that man and I started critising him since his firsts moves in the transfer market that were a revelation of ambitions. I was a defender of Rafa for almost 6 years. But there was a point in which the only thing we do could was either change almost every player in the team or change the manager. His relation with Carragher and Gerrard was non existant. Dont get me wrong, he is an amazing manager, tactically he is a 10 and Im a 100 % defender of his transfers, but he is going to have to revew the relation he has with players. He has only been a few months in Inter and he has already had problems with Milito and Chivu, for example.
Sorry if it sounds rude, but Im a bit tired of this hipocresy. You have been critising and ridiculing for the last 10 pages of this topic a man that you considered him ideal for the job in the first place.
 
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Liverbird said:
Come on mathewsss, would you stop those constant attacks against Roy and defenses of Benitez. You didnt say all those stuff about Benitez when he was here, and I perfectly remember you saying that the club was being run by proffesionals when they decided to fire Benitez to bring Hodgson.
I dont like Hodgson neither, I never thought we should have gone for that man and I started critising him since his firsts moves in the transfer market that were a revelation of ambitions. I was a defender of Rafa for almost 6 years. But there was a point in which the only thing we do could was either change almost every player in the team or change the manager. His relation with Carragher and Gerrard was non existant. Dont get me wrong, he is an amazing manager, tactically he is a 10 and Im a 100 % defender of his transfers, but he is going to have to revew the relation he has with players. He has only been a few months in Inter and he has already had problems with Milito and Chivu, for example.
Sorry if it sounds rude, but Im a bit tired of this hipocresy. You have been critising and ridiculing for the last 10 pages of this topic a man that you considered him ideal for the job in the first place.
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Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite at the same time...
Realization of an earlier mistake that I was supporting Hodgson...
and now blaming him....is not hypocrisy.....it's called realizing
the initial mistake...
Anyway why do I want to waste my time here on this forum....explaining
for the third time that I got it wrong......

So I will stop posting these links...have fun...
 
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There's a difference between hypocrisy and realising you were wrong and admitting it.

Matthew thought Hodgson was the right man for the job, and has since realised that he isn't and just like everyone else he's astonished by the stuff Hodgson keeps saying. That's is not hypocrisy.
 
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mathewsss said:
Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite at the same time...
Realization of an earlier mistake that I was supporting Hodgson...
and now blaming him....is not hypocrisy.....it's called realizing
the initial mistake...
Anyway why do I want to waste my time here on this forum....explaining
for the third time that I got it wrong......

So I will stop posting these links...have fun...
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Dont do that. If you want to keep posting links, go ahead. My opinion shouldnt matter. I think that is good for the thread the fact that you are contributing and keeping us updated posting the nonsense Hodgson says.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
He can't say anything without you having a go. :LOL:
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Well maybe if he either STFU, or said something decent we wouldn't have to.

I haven't read a single comment that has given me the impression he has what it takes, and every new quote only confirms that.
 
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So when he said.....
"We have heard nothing from Manchester United and, more to the point, we don't want to hear anything from Manchester United."

He added: "If (Sir Alex) Ferguson is looking around at the end of the season and he has got lots of money to replace (Edwin) van der Sar, he might very well want Pepe Reina because he is the best around.

"But we do not want to sell him. I would like to think that we are going to become a successful club once again and Pepe is crucial to that."
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....that wasn't what you wanted to hear? Despite slating him for not warning us off Torres, even though both rumours are clearly bullshit.
 
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tiktiktik said:
Well maybe if he either STFU, or said something decent we wouldn't have to.
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let's be honest, this is not about what he says... it's about liverpool's fans state of mind.
u guys always bash on him, no matter what he says. when he tries to say something positive, u guys bash him for "not seeing what u guys see".....when he goes for a more "realistic" approach, u guys attack him for being a disruptive influence and a confidence killer.
there's nothing he could possibly say u guys will be pleased with. at least that's the impression every neutral fan would get from reading the last 10 pages of this thread.
i can certainly understand the frustration of liverpool fans, but a bit of dispassion and objectivity wouldn't hurt. i mean, some of the comments i read in this thread are just crazy (rijkaard an offensive minded coach??! the one who developed xavi into the player he is today?!?)
 
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Well, then that's three neutrals who have exactly the same opinion.
I haven't seen any conclusive element or argument that Hodgson is more to blame for the downfall of Liverpool as benitez last season. Because let's be honest Liverpool underachieved spectacularly under Benitez' last season.
Liverpool did bad transfers? Is Hodgson to blame? I don't think so. A club that doesn't play CL football has looses much of it's atraction. And let's continue to be honest, Liverpoll's realtive success masked the fact that except one season they underachieved spectacular under Benitez in the EPL. Although i rate Benitez as one the best coaches (not manager), i haven't seen any conclusive proof that Hodgson is a worse manager.
As a neutral i think the problem lies with some players who think that they are bigger than the club and should have long been released. But saying that in this thread is taboo...then you get slaughtered without any valuable argument (by some people, not by all Liverpool fans to be honest).

Oh and although i think jumbo is right in all what he says...i'm the one who prefers Liverpool to Man Utd.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
So when he said.....

....that wasn't what you wanted to hear? Despite slating him for not warning us off Torres, even though both rumours are clearly bullshit.
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Very good, you have found one comment after a few weeks of crap.

I know we are being harsh on him, some more then others, but really can you say anything good about a guy that;
- shows a lack of respect for a region (the scandinavia comment),
- shows a clear lack of respect for another manager (who by all accounts has said nothing about the job he was supposed to be getting) or
- who took a week to defend his player from ridiculous comments by an opposition manager (probably because he wants to continue to be mates)
- or in media speak says: Sure offer us some money and you can have our best player,
- or has publicly said most of the team are overpaid wasters (which quite a few are but not a good comment for team morale),
- or has said that if our main striker would actually perform we would be better off (offcourse ignoring the fact that his relegation battler tactics means he is being wasted or that one of the most important players comes out a couple of days later to say that is nonsense),
- or saying that the club needs to be rebuilt and he is to man to do it (although ignoring the fact that with the same squad Benitez made Liverpool one of the best European and English teams yet he can barely get them out of a relegation battle and although being rumours it was said the players had a word with him to change tactics which enabled the team to have the best performance of the season,
- or saying that a decent performance against a shoddy Blackburn is the best that they can perform
- or the fact he has used his huge succes' in some nohoper leagues as proof that he is as good as Ferguson
- or the fact he discribes the "performance" against Everton as great and that the score was ridiculous....Everton deserved to spank Liverpool!
- or...

And that's what I can remember from the past few weeks...

We may be overreacting, but in my case (and I think quite a few on here) the reaction is in direct relation to how much crap he has been saying in the media and how crap the team has been playing. Which is even worse then last season! The only "positive" aspects he has said mostly is how good he is yet the rest of the time he is blaming other people for the results.

I tend to think I am reasonably balanced, and I had my doubts about him from the start, but we have now played nearly a quarter of the season and he has had no "new manager" boost which usually lasts this long, he has shown nothing with regards to tactical insight to change a game, he has contradicted himself by saying he will give everybody a chance but has publicly said the youngsters can forget about this season seeing as we are in a relegation battle (thanks for that!), he has said he will continue to do exactly the same as he has always done as that has brought succes (define succes; not getting relegated is his "succes" which he is doing a good job of repeating this season!) so imo the sooner he pisses off the better.

Also it says enough when the majority of Hodgson defenders are Manu fans, the same group who were constantly attacking Benitez....I wonder what subconscience effect has impacted that? ;)

He has also come out today, or yesterday, saying how he is learning from Carra and Gerrard to not take notice of all the media stuff. Now that's realistic and fine (wouldn't have expected anything else from a midtable manager) but if you are in a high pressure industry and the guy who is supposed to be leading you needs to learn from you that wouldn't give me any confidence in his job.

There is a lot of media crap, but what get's me is that from nearly every comment coming out he is talking like a mid table manager and the team are playing like relegation canditates. Does anyone on here believe the squad we have should be down there playing like that?! Tbh if the team were doing well (and by that I consider top 7 to be enough) then I couldn't care less about a lot of the media stuff. Although it needs to be respectful, the stuff about Rijkaard is out of order imo, a CL winning manager and the guy says; "Oh where is he? Oh yeah in Turkey..says enough". I don't care who he is or where the team is in the league, that's just poor. However the team is playing shit and so far I have seen nothing whatsoever that has given me the impression that he is good enough or suited to the job...and he continues with his crap media comments.
 
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You are a reasonable person tik...
It's just that i've the feeling that Hodgson never got a fair chance with Liverpool.
IMO Benitez (and once again, i rate him high) did not do that well with Liverpool. Ok, he won the CL which isobviously a big prize. But like i already siad, apart from one (great) season he underacieved in the EPL.
 
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I know what you are saying Tik and I agree with some of it, but this has basically just turned into a witch hunt. The stuff you all accuse the media of doing to Benitez is exactly what you are all now doing to Hodgson. Whilst some of the stuff you've used against him above are fair points, some of it is ridiculous.

Ignoring the fact that with the same squad Benitez made Liverpool one of the best European and English teams. That'd be the same squad, minus Mascherano and Xabi Alonso and without a disillusioned Torres and Gerrard. Big difference for me there.

Praising a decent performance against shoddy Blackburn. I've re-read what he said after that game and I'm failing to see what he said wrong. He was being positive, praising the players and keeping the confidence up.

Took a week to defend his player from ridiculous comments by an opposition manager. Obviously I am biased, but those comments weren't so ridiculous. As usual Torres went down like a sack of shit under minimal contact, which we know he's got form for. The comment was made straight after the match in the heat of the moment, then taken by the press and exaggerated for a week stirring up negative feelings for Liverpool fans. Did Fergie come out to defend Ronaldo every time someone accused him of cheating? No, it's not necessary. Unless you need another stick to beat your manager with.

I'm not gonna go through the lot, and like I said I agree with some what you said but surely you can see what we are saying about anything he says being wrong to you guys?
 
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I know what you're trying to say Jumbo, but you've got to admit that he has spoken an awful lot of shit since he came to Liverpool. His shitty comments about Rijkaard alone were worthy of the criticism he's recieved.

The man seems to have gone from being a fairly level-headed, kindly spoken gentleman, to a bitter, blinkered fool in the space of a few weeks.

It's not that he's being picked on for every thing he says, it's that us fans have had enough of everything being dragged down and the "Liverpool way" being shat on from a great height by the previous owners and now Hodgson is continuing that with his petty comments and ignorant statements.

The point is, he's been very disrespectful to others recently, yet moans when he's not shown respect.

Even you must have laughed when he said his track-record puts him up there with Alex Ferguson ffs :LOL:

I notice it's always the same 2-3 people who come in this thread and pick at everything the Liverpool fans have to say about their own team/manager, i find that quite amusing.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
He said his record in Scandinavia made him their equivalent of SAF didnt he? Not quite the same.
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No he didn't.

He said if people took their time to look at his track ercord, they'd hold him in the same esteem as Alex Ferguson, but nobody takes the time to look at his record.

"Of course, my track record, if people bothered to study it, would put me in the same category as [Sir Alex] Ferguson enjoys today, but people don't talk about what I've done outside England, Here, they just talk about Blackburn Rovers, but that's just a very small part of a 26-year career."

No matter what way you look at it, winning six Swedish league titles and one Danish league title doesn't put you up there with Alex Ferguson in any way. Particularly as he won the Swedish titles in the 70s and 80s and then won nothing until the Danish title 9 years ago and since then he's won nothing.
 
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UJSupanova said:
I notice it's always the same 2-3 people who come in this thread and pick at everything the Liverpool fans have to say about their own team/manager, i find that quite amusing.
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Yup, that is true.
I can only speak for myself. i don't think i'm acting like a wind-up merchant (neither are "the other two" IMO).
I also visit the Arsenal thread quite regularly and also the Cheslea thread. That would make me someone who likes football, but someone who doesn't like Man Utd (being a former fan of that team).
Is ther a rule that only Liverpool fans can come and visit this thread?
Believe me or not, but i rather like Liverpool (but i also like Everton...) and i feel for Liverpool...but some things Liverpool fans are saying here is outrageous to neutrals who maybe have the benefit of being rational because they are not fans.
 
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At what point did i say only Liverpool fans could reply in this thread? That's right, i didn't, you added that bit yourself.
 
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You never siad that...i never said you did...but let's stop this...
I simply wanted to react. I like discussing English football, i even started an EPL thread but sadly it seems there not that much Evo-webbers that support other teams than the big four and Spurs, so that thread isn't used that frequently...The only alternative is visiting the club threads. And Lo zio, jumbo and i visit all the club threads. at the time of Fabregas-gate we had discussions with Arsenal fans to defend Barcelona. Now we think that you people are too negative concerning Hodgson.

Do i know everything better? Good lord no i don't...it's only pub talk. If i ever injured somebody and this thread: i'm sorry, but i never meant to.
 
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Gerd said:
You are a reasonable person tik...
It's just that i've the feeling that Hodgson never got a fair chance with Liverpool.
IMO Benitez (and once again, i rate him high) did not do that well with Liverpool. Ok, he won the CL which isobviously a big prize. But like i already siad, apart from one (great) season he underacieved in the EPL.
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Agree, he hasn't got a fair chance from the majority. However I think the speed with which people are turning on him has a lot to do his media stuff. The team was crap last season, and they are this season, however I can't remember Benitez going off on one or placing so much blame everywhere but himself (It was mostly the owners I think, and we all know that that was valid, but not a total let off to Benitez who made enough mistakes aswell).

The Scandinavia and Rijkaard comment really pissed me off, and everything else is only compounding it. And I never considered him to be good enough anyway. I don't understand all the praise he is/was getting either. I posted the comparison awhile ago, but nobody considers Peter Reid a great manager, and he had good succes with Sunderland for two seasons. Nobody considers Allardyce good enough for a top team and he had similar succes, everybody ridicules Schteve and he has been far more succesfull, but still not considered good enough for a top team. So why would Hodgson be worthy of the job?

Jumbo said:
Ignoring the fact that with the same squad Benitez made Liverpool one of the best European and English teams. That'd be the same squad, minus Mascherano and Xabi Alonso and without a disillusioned Torres and Gerrard. Big difference for me there.

Praising a decent performance against shoddy Blackburn. I've re-read what he said after that game and I'm failing to see what he said wrong. He was being positive, praising the players and keeping the confidence up.

Took a week to defend his player from ridiculous comments by an opposition manager.
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I give you Masch, but Gerrard and Torres were crap, or injured last season aswell. And everybody ripped Benitez for failing to make the top 4. And with 8 or so games to go they were still in with a good shout at fighting for the place. "Hodgson" has spent the 20mil for Masch on two CM's (of which I think Meireles will be a good buy) and "he" has added Joe Cole and Jovanovich. I say "he" because I'm not sure how much influence he has had (I would think Poulson and Konchesky are his, but not sure about Cole, he didn't even know Meireles and Bundi is Benitez'). I wouldn't consider the squad to be any worse tbh. However instead of failing to keep pace with the top 4 (although if Liverpool win tommorow they will only be 3 points off of 5th (spurs) the manager is talking about relegation battles!

As for the Blackburn peformance, he wasn't only praising it, he was saying the team couldn't play any better then that. That's very negative imo, when you should be aiming for a good performance to be the standard at the club. But it is wording and how you interpret that so I can understand your point, I just don't agree with it when looking at eveyrthing that's been said by him. Especially not after the praise he gave the Everton performance.

Re the diving comments, the problem is he didn't just ignore it. He actually took a week to defend his player. Fergie wouldn't even bother, or as he actually did, try and place the focus on another player instead of Nani. Who was actually diving, whereas Torres actually got fouled twice and should have had O'Shea sent off for the 2nd one. Remember he put the cross in for Berbatov's 3rd! Fergie couldn't careless about Torres, all he was doing was getting the media attention off his players for the next week so he wouldn't have to deal with a biased ref.
 
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Guys....
everyone is welcome to this thread.

But the non-Liverpool fans may not fully understand our frustration....
because they are neutrals....and that is perfectly ok.

Rafa was not perfect....but we were never in such a lousy plight
as we are today under Hodgson in the bottom 3.
Up until the Blackburn game....we have played atrociously...and the manager's tactics
are just not working....the players don't have faith in his system.

In fact the Blackburn game was more of Rafa's formation and high-pressing aggressive tactics
with which the players are familiar.
 
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Hodgson only has Torres and David Ngog in his first-team squad and he said: 'That's clearly not enough. A club like Liverpool shouldn't have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel "doing a job" up front when they are primarily wide players.
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:DOH:

Doing a job? Weren't they strikers before we signed them anyway?

We do need a striker, but saying that Kuyt and Babel would only be "doing a job" is pretty bad. Kuyt and Babel are going to be full of confidence if they're asked to play up front, knowing that Roy only thinks that they're just "doing a job" and not able to excel there.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...-be-forward-solution-for-lfc-100252-27177986/

1st September, Roy promised Babel that he's going to play him in his favoured position, striker.

We have the same problem with the reserves. We don't have any strikers and a winger called Nathan Ecclestone has to play up front.
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But Eccleston is a striker naturally?

The first thing people say when I walk down the street is "We need a front player".
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Really? I imagine it might be something a little bit worse. :LOL:
 
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Every time he opens his mouth lately he's digging himself a deeper hole, he sounds like a fucking idiot.

But we're wrong to say that because we're just nitpicking.

And the less said about his comments about Rafa and Dalglish, the better.

Even neutral journalists like Tor-Kristian Karlsen on Twitter are saying Hodgson has constantly got his foot in his mouth.
 
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Hodgson to me is sounding like the guy in the movies and series who only has to have a one sentence lie to cover himself but instead just goes on and on and on;

"So why were you late?!"
"Uhh, Family emergency"
"...."
"Uhh, my brother-in-law fell from the roof"
"What?"
"Uh, yeah, a racoon jumped out of the chimny"
"Eh?!"
"So then my sister, his wife, got a bb gun to shoot it but also hit my brother-in-law"
"Roy.....?!"
"And then he fell off the roof and he had to go to hospital..."
"Ok...."
"But then on the way to the hospital she crashed into a garbagetruck....."
"Are you serious?"
"So then I had to help, but on my way down to the car I tripped on the stairs and couldnt get up for an hour"
"How's your leg then?"
"Oh.....uh. it had to be amputised...didn't you see my limp when I walked in?!"
"Uh, amputised...."
"So yeah, I lost my leg....and then on the way to the hospital we crashed aswell....."
"YOU crashed aswell?!"
"Yeah! into the garbage truck and my sisters car!"

"etc etc."

:D
 
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I fear Hodgson will be given enough time till we get a new CEO
who will then need to assess the situation....
I can't see Hodgson going any time soon....

I don' think we will sign any big signings in Jan....
I suspect NESV will see if Hodgson can improve things with the
current squad....and if that fails...he should get the sack.
But if things improve, I think they will keep him and give him the money.
 
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I'm not sure. I think Hodgson has till december. Pellegrini has already admitted that talks have taken place and has said he will be looking to decide in december which offer he takes.

Although whether it's all BS remains to be seen.
 
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After he left River, I never thought I was going to want so badly for him to manage a club that I support.
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
I'm not sure. I think Hodgson has till december. Pellegrini has already admitted that talks have taken place and has said he will be looking to decide in december which offer he takes.

Although whether it's all BS remains to be seen.
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I think they will hire a new CEO first, then only will any change happen.
Since they dont have the footballing background, they will not change
anything without getting a new CEO and/or director of football...

I would think Joe Januzsewscki will have a big part to play....
considering he is the only person with footballing knowledge and a big
fan of Liverpool....it was him who suggested to Henry/Werner to buy
the club....

Let's see.....I think they will take some time....
hopefully not too much longer
 
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