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He made quite a few brilliant saves, as he's always done. Best keeper in the league IMO, but a mistake he could've prevented for that goal. Can't crucify him in the slightest though, like I've said, everyone makes mistakes now and then.
Yes, I agree. Everyone makes mistakes and the ball that he had saved before (Rosicky ´s shot) was incredible.
Would be interesting to know what happened to Aquilani that he wasnt even in the bench. If it was a Hodgson ´s decisions or he s injured again, because now we are going to really need him against City.
 
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Word of praise for Jovanovic, again. He really does look like a quality player, who wants to run and is happy to take players on and take risks.

How the hell has he not been picked up by a bigger league than Belgium before?! He's 29, has he got better with age or something? Gerd?
 
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He could have gone to better leagues but always prefered Standard...Only wanted to leave for a real top club such as Pool
 
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Cheers FreMM, he looks like he's going to fit right in here.

Now to bring Defour over ...
 
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Steven is Man U s property already...believe me, I know the guy :WINK:
 
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If it's a clear red, why wasn't Wilshere's? I can see why it can be a red, but I can't see how you can give one player a totally different decision even though it's the same offense. That's the annoying part.

Because the Wilshere tackle was a studs up challenge (which is still serious), but the Joe Cole tackle tackle may have been guilty of foul-play.

FIFA Laws of the Game 2006 said:
A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

That'd be my bet as to why Cole was sent off.
 
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Sickener to concede the goal like that after the way the game wnet but would have been pleased before the match, and gladly taken it at HT. Good performance overal, however how Cole can be so thick to do that is amazing. Ref was crap throughout, more in favour of Arsenal I thought. Although that could be my dad swearing everytime anything went against Liverpool influencing me. A typical "I'm not biased, honestly!" sending off in injurytime for not much.

Not really sure I'm happy the prem is back, one game in and we are already looking at shite refereeing performances influencing matches....

Just hope Agger is going to be ok, looked way off after getting hit in the face. A collegue of mine walked around with a light concussion for a couple of days and she's been having headache's and not completely present for 6 weeks now. Agger kept heading the ball aswell!

As for the Wilshere tackle, I think the biggest influence was that Gerrard got up straight away and didn't role around and have teammates shouting at the ref. Cole didn't even go for the man, but his trailing leg caught him. Wilshere, btw was also very late against Masch in the first half which should have been a yellow aswell.
 
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Because the Wilshere tackle was a studs up challenge (which is still serious), but the Joe Cole tackle tackle may have been guilty of foul-play.



That'd be my bet as to why Cole was sent off.

Maybe so, but surely every single tackle on the pitch endangers the safety of an opponent in some way.

In no way was that challenge by Cole worthy of a red card, it was a pathetic decision IMO. He went in with no intent to injure the player, he was clearly trying to block the clearance and was a bit late, it happens every single weekend without any red cards. Strange how the player who was stretchered off before half time managed to play the entire second half (before being sent off himself of course), can't have been that injured.



On a side note, is this the first time two debutants have been sent off in the same game?
 
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There's a Liverpool banner at games that consists of Dalglish, Paisley, Shankly, Fagan and Benitez. Just read that Sky superimposed an image of Hodgson onto the banner :BRICK:

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Hopefully he will work wonders to allow to be added.

But the media are ridiculous, they are just waiting for him to not be a succes and then rip him and the club apart. But I guess it's a nice change that atm they are positive about the club/manager.
 
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I'm not sure I understand the debate about Joe Cole's tackle. The point is that by leaving the ground like that if the Arsenal (can't spell that name) had gotten stuck, it would have compound fractured his leg. That's why it's more dangerous.

Gerrard and Wilshere had ridiculously similar challenges in the first half, one getting a yellow and the other not. The biggest inconsistency was the yellow cards for handballs. N'Gog's was 100% a yellow - he deliberately sought to gain advantage by using his hand, whereas (once again can't spell) the Arsenal one was about 2 feet from his body. Ridiculously harsh.
 
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@Dags - surprised they didn't airbrush Rafa off that flag!

I seriously am going to start watching Sky with the sound turned down in future, the shit they come out with.

And how predictable that for Arsenal's first corner they should take the chance to attack Zonal Marking.

I was literally shouting at the TV so didn't hear everything but I'm sure they were saying how the stats prove it's less effective than man-to-man, when in fact that's not true.

And as soon as Jamie-My dad is the bestest manager ever-Redknapp engages his mouth without doing the same to his brain....

Anyway, we're a point better off than last season already with plenty of positives to take from the match (Jova, Masch, Skrtle, Ngog in particular deserve mention)
 
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i don't understand the joe cole's foul debate either. that was a scissor tackle (and that alone is already worhty the red card most of the times).... and with an awful timing.
that is the most dangerous kind of tackle in football (even more than a "studs up" challenge), and is usually rewarded with a yellow card (at least) even when the tackler gets the ball, let alone when he misses it, like joe cole did.

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In no way was that challenge by Cole worthy of a red card, it was a pathetic decision IMO. He went in with no intent to injure the player
he did a scissor tackle!! and he also was 2 seconds late!!! if u think that was unintentional, than either u're hugely biased, or u've never played football in your life.

besides his "intention" doesn't matter at all. it's completely irrilevant whether he wanted or not to break his opponent's ankle or not.
scissor tackles are always rewarded with a card (even when the tackler gets the ball) because that's the easiest and most common way to break your opponent's ankle or ligaments.
i know it.... most of the fans in the world know it.... referees know it..... and so does joe cole. there's a reason why football players (almost) never try scissor tackle. coz they know there's a very good chance the opponent's leg will get "trapped" by their legs... and that will easily break their ankle.
yet joe cole did it anyway.... he also didn't get the ball.
that's a "textbook red card". absolutely undebeatable.

and the argument "every tackle endangers the players" makes no sense. this is wrong. a well performed tackle doesn't endanger the opponent. only a badly performed tackle can be dangerous.
but when we talk about scissor tackles or "studs up tackles", it ceases to be a matter of performing. a scissor tackle is always extremely dangerous for the opponent. and that is why a scissor tackle is always a fool, even when perfectly performed.... even when the tackler gets the ball.... even when the tackler doesn't even touch the opponent's leg.

i didn't see the whole match, just the highlights. u guys say also other players did the same kinda tackle (whilshere).. if they did the same kinda tackle, then they should have been sent off too.
sending out a player who performs that kinda tackle is not bad decision making. at all.
not showing the player a red card.... that would have been bad decision making.
 
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Have to say, after seeing the clip, Joe Cole was a deserved straight red. 2 footed and completely late and unnecessary... the ball was almost heading off the pitch.
 
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1 thing for anyone who thinks Cole went in two footed; look at the camera angle from behind the referee, you can clearly see the sole of his right boot dragging along the turf and facing the camera - therefore he didn't go in two footed. He quite clearly dived in to block the clearance but followed through, i'm sorry but this kind of tackle happens every weekend without red cards.
 
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There's a Liverpool banner at games that consists of Dalglish, Paisley, Shankly, Fagan and Benitez. Just read that Sky superimposed an image of Hodgson onto the banner :BRICK:

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At least that one looks like they've made some sort of effort, the other one was pathetic:

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Can't believe some people are saying Joe Cole didn't deserve a straight red card. It was most certainly a straight red card! I don't care if he's never got one before or had no intention to hurt the player. Fact is, intention or not, he could've easily injured the player with a reckless, mistimed tackle like that. Now that luckily Lauren (on his debut as well!) didn't get that seriously hurt... we're talking about how it shouldn't have been a red... if he had injured the player... we'd be talking about how it deserves further suspension and not just a red card.

Ref was spot-on. Good for him. Straight red. No doubt.
 
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I saw it for the first time earlier and I do think he was genuinely trying to block the ball from the clearanance but at the same time it was very reckless and made any decision other than a red card very difficult for the referee.

This was in mediawatch today..
Not That Sort
Though Mediawatch likes Roy Hodgson an awful lot, we had ceto sadly shake our heads when he became the latest to declare a potential leg-breaker was 'not that sort of player'.

"Anyone who has watched Joe play will realise he is not the guy that goes in for blood-curdling tackles," said Roy.

Really Roy? Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxG6OaQUCgI
 
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Cole was frustrated he really wanted to prove his worth to capello and the fans. Arsenal passing the ball around ping pong style and Cole didn`t get much of the ball. That Vid I remember I bet! the reason Fergie didn`t want Cole.
 
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@Jumbo - that foul on Ronaldo is NEVER a red card. You probably think Phil Neville's famous thunderous tackle on Ladyboy at Goodison was a red too?

Anyway, as it happens, I think Sunday's challenge was a red and when I saw it last night, in full speed, for the first time since the match, I defo think it's a red.

Can't wait 'til Thursday so we can start talking about the football again!
 
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Cole was frustrated he really wanted to prove his worth to capello and the fans. Arsenal passing the ball around ping pong style and Cole didn`t get much of the ball. That Vid I remember I bet! the reason Fergie didn`t want Cole.

If that's the case then he has the patience of a squirrel. A professional footballer shouldn't just lunge out when he's frustrated, the consequences of doing so are abundantly clear.

And whether or not Cole "intended" to injure Koscielny is irrelevant, there are no FIFA rules on intent. But the FIFA rules do say that "A tackle, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned
as serious foul play."
, and the FIFA states clearly that serious foul play is a sending-off offence. Moreover, even if he made a connection with the ball it would have still been an offence because he came through with excessive force and would have still taken Koscielny's leg with that dragging right foot. "Getting the ball" does not negate any possibility of a subsequent foul. He would have still committed serious foul play.
 
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@Jumbo - that foul on Ronaldo is NEVER a red card. You probably think Phil Neville's famous thunderous tackle on Ladyboy at Goodison was a red too?

Anyway, as it happens, I think Sunday's challenge was a red and when I saw it last night, in full speed, for the first time since the match, I defo think it's a red.

Can't wait 'til Thursday so we can start talking about the football again!

Woah woah woah calm down! I just posted what was in Mediawatch, nothing to do with my opinion. I'd have booked him myself although he had no intention of getting the ball.
 
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