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Liverpool Thread
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TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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- Liverpool
Re: Liverpool Thread
Liverpool have always had trouble with teams pressing. As do most teams.
Liverpool have always had trouble with teams pressing. As do most teams.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Re: Liverpool Thread
spot on rune.
Torres still remains the best striker in the World ,when his clone is not on the pitch
spot on rune.Torres still remains the best striker in the World ,when his clone is not on the pitch
Re: Liverpool Thread
Yeh, pressing teams isn't that easy. It requires incredible stamina and fitness, and you really can't do that for the whole match. That's what Fiorentina did in the 2nd half, just couldn't keep their energy levels up.
Yeh, pressing teams isn't that easy. It requires incredible stamina and fitness, and you really can't do that for the whole match. That's what Fiorentina did in the 2nd half, just couldn't keep their energy levels up.
YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Lyon clash will be interesting. You need someone in the middle to control a game.
Lyon clash will be interesting. You need someone in the middle to control a game.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Re: Liverpool Thread
Nah, they'll batter Lyon, it won't be interesting at all, you can just see it, because they always do.
Nah, they'll batter Lyon, it won't be interesting at all, you can just see it, because they always do.
Jumbo_
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Erm.... Captain Fantastic Stevie G™. The Greatest Central Midfielder Ever™.
He can run a game better than anyone.
Erm.... Captain Fantastic Stevie G™. The Greatest Central Midfielder Ever™.
He can run a game better than anyone.
Re: Liverpool Thread
Eh, Mascherano?
Hopefully, Aquilani will be back by then as well.
Eh, Mascherano?
Hopefully, Aquilani will be back by then as well.
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Re: Liverpool Thread
I'm quite looking forward to seeing Aquliani in a kind of sadistic sense.
I'd love him to do well cos he seems like a really great player and there's nothing better than watching fantastic skilled players at their best but then that would mean you'll do well and we dont want that do we!
I'm quite looking forward to seeing Aquliani in a kind of sadistic sense.
I'd love him to do well cos he seems like a really great player and there's nothing better than watching fantastic skilled players at their best but then that would mean you'll do well and we dont want that do we!
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Liverpool Thread
Macherano can't control a game. He can win you the ball back but he then most of the time needs to give it to someone who can do that. Aquilani could be that person if he ever strings 2 games together
Macherano can't control a game. He can win you the ball back but he then most of the time needs to give it to someone who can do that. Aquilani could be that person if he ever strings 2 games together
Re: Liverpool Thread
aquilani plays the position gerrard played last season, he cant control a game either. you guys are fucked j/k
gerrard could do it, hes just better at other things. im really interested to see how benitez plans to play gerrard and aquilani, it could be a great partnership between the two of them with torres playing off them or they could get in eachothers way. time will tell
aquilani plays the position gerrard played last season, he cant control a game either. you guys are fucked j/k
gerrard could do it, hes just better at other things. im really interested to see how benitez plans to play gerrard and aquilani, it could be a great partnership between the two of them with torres playing off them or they could get in eachothers way. time will tell
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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- Liverpool
Re: Liverpool Thread
Looking at the games this season, I think Aquilani might just fit in perfectly. I mean Gerrard is pretty much a 2nd striker now and is pushed high up the pitch most of the time. Whereas Lucas and Masch stay way back near the defenders. Gerrard then starts to drop deeper to get the ball. Aquilani should fit in just between the 2 positions and with his skill will hopefully be able to connect it all.
Looking at the games this season, I think Aquilani might just fit in perfectly. I mean Gerrard is pretty much a 2nd striker now and is pushed high up the pitch most of the time. Whereas Lucas and Masch stay way back near the defenders. Gerrard then starts to drop deeper to get the ball. Aquilani should fit in just between the 2 positions and with his skill will hopefully be able to connect it all.
Re: Liverpool Thread
Given that he's never managed to play regularly, how do you figure that?
I'm all for optimism, but that's a bit like us United fans hoping that this Obertan fellow is the next Ronaldo. There have been glimpses of quality, but he's never shown consistency.
Given that he's never managed to play regularly, how do you figure that?
I'm all for optimism, but that's a bit like us United fans hoping that this Obertan fellow is the next Ronaldo. There have been glimpses of quality, but he's never shown consistency.
dev_don
League 1
- 12 November 2005
Re: Liverpool Thread
Ive watched Serie A over the last 8 years quite alot and when aquilani has played in a run of games, he has been excellent. He just seems to get things going.
I know the quality of serie A is not what it used to be, but he is a good player. If you havent seen him play alot then you cant really make a assessed opinion. Obertan is not as good and has not played as many games as Aquilani so you cant really use him as a similar example
Aquilani is a international which means he is proven (even with his injuries) so there not just glimpses of quality.
Although he is slightly prone to injuries he was never given the time to properly recover which is credit to him because Roma knew his quality and wanted to get him into the team ASAP.
P.S: All this talk could just be a load of bollocks, i mean he could be about as good as Carrick & Nani (combined)
which would mean Rafa could get the sack!....but we'll just have to see what happens when he starts playing for the Reds
Ive watched Serie A over the last 8 years quite alot and when aquilani has played in a run of games, he has been excellent. He just seems to get things going.
I know the quality of serie A is not what it used to be, but he is a good player. If you havent seen him play alot then you cant really make a assessed opinion. Obertan is not as good and has not played as many games as Aquilani so you cant really use him as a similar example
Aquilani is a international which means he is proven (even with his injuries) so there not just glimpses of quality.
Although he is slightly prone to injuries he was never given the time to properly recover which is credit to him because Roma knew his quality and wanted to get him into the team ASAP.
P.S: All this talk could just be a load of bollocks, i mean he could be about as good as Carrick & Nani (combined)
which would mean Rafa could get the sack!....but we'll just have to see what happens when he starts playing for the RedsRe: Liverpool Thread
How the hell did you get Obertan in there?
He's world class when playing regularly, and anyone who's actually watched him will tell you. And he has played consistently. He's had several runs in the Roma team, where he's played 10-12 games on a run, and he's been absolutely magnificent when he's done that.
As for his injuries, he himself blames a large part on the Roma staff (who suffer more injuries than any other club in Europe). If he gets time to recover, hopefully he'll put the injuries behind him. Gerrard suffered from injuries too, early in his career, but eventually sorted them out when Rafa came.
How the hell did you get Obertan in there?
He's world class when playing regularly, and anyone who's actually watched him will tell you. And he has played consistently. He's had several runs in the Roma team, where he's played 10-12 games on a run, and he's been absolutely magnificent when he's done that.
As for his injuries, he himself blames a large part on the Roma staff (who suffer more injuries than any other club in Europe). If he gets time to recover, hopefully he'll put the injuries behind him. Gerrard suffered from injuries too, early in his career, but eventually sorted them out when Rafa came.
Re: Liverpool Thread
It's that world class debate again. Imo world class refers to a first, and maybe second XI in world football. And I'm sorry, but a player that sometimes strings 10-12 games together simply cannot qualify. I think Berbatov has shown glimpses of utter genius but he's far from a world class striker.
I've no doubt he's talented, but that could be said about literally 50 odd players. It's the whole 'he's world class' thing that grinds with me. I've only seen him play in the CL and haven't been that impressed, will have to wait and see with him.
Then again, he can't be worse than Lucas.
It's that world class debate again. Imo world class refers to a first, and maybe second XI in world football. And I'm sorry, but a player that sometimes strings 10-12 games together simply cannot qualify. I think Berbatov has shown glimpses of utter genius but he's far from a world class striker.
I've no doubt he's talented, but that could be said about literally 50 odd players. It's the whole 'he's world class' thing that grinds with me. I've only seen him play in the CL and haven't been that impressed, will have to wait and see with him.
Then again, he can't be worse than Lucas.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Lucas has played quite well this season actually
Lucas has played quite well this season actually
YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Aquilani isn't World Class. It takes more than talent to get that tag but hes got the potential to be most definitely.
Aquilani isn't World Class. It takes more than talent to get that tag but hes got the potential to be most definitely.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Liverpool Thread
But based on that, isnt it arguable that Rooney ISNT world class?
It hurts me to say this but I'm only trying to be unbiased. I can see where you guys are coming from but if you say it takes more than talent, being able to string 10-12 good games together, showing more than just moments of genius, then Rooney isnt world class even though a huge majority of football fans would agree that he is.
But based on that, isnt it arguable that Rooney ISNT world class?
It hurts me to say this but I'm only trying to be unbiased. I can see where you guys are coming from but if you say it takes more than talent, being able to string 10-12 good games together, showing more than just moments of genius, then Rooney isnt world class even though a huge majority of football fans would agree that he is.
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lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
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- Palermo
Re: Liverpool Thread
if i may add my opinion to the conversation, i wouldn't consider alberto a world class player.
however make no mistake, i'm a huge fan of aquilani, i've been raving about him for years.
the "world class" label is something pretty shallow. as u guys pointed out, everyone has his own "world class standards"; some consider world class the best 2,3 players for each role, some others include in this category the 10\20 best players for each role.
but there's something that can be established beyond any doubt. being a world class player isn't just about skill (as younggun ponted out). there are other features required, the most important being the "mental strenght" (a mix of personality, composure, conscious awareness of your talent and of your limits, and most important, the mental strenght required to handle and to live up to the pressure and the expectations).
all top class players have theese features... and theese features make the difference between a great player and a world class player.
in italy and argentina there are dozens of players with "world class skills" but without the guts to accept this role and live up to it, to take responsability of their talent and deliver in key moments.
theese kind of players spend their carreers in a limbo between "great player status" and "top class status" and never completely fulfill the expectations.
it takes just a few matches to realise what an amazing talent alberto has (and i'm not talking about potential, i'm talking about current, fully developed skills), but it takes years to acknowledge if a player has that mental strenght i was talking about..... and since alberto still didn't have a chance to play on a regular basis (like +30 matches) for more seasons, we can't consider him as a world class player just yet.
whenever he got a chance (like in the 05/06 season and in the 07/08 season) he showed he might actually have that strong personality required to like up to his talent.... but still that's not enought time to prove it beyond any doubt.
however "world class player", "almost world class player", "great player"...theese kinda labels don't really matter. IF alberto will be able to show liverpool fans what he showed roma fans in the last 3 years on a regular basis, then he will be a huge addition to the team.
but, given his injury history (although abhishek gave us some good news on this concern, talking about the way Roma handled his injuries), and given the fact that he might end up playing in a role that is not his own role.... that is a big IF.
and even then, there's always the change of country, lifestyle league and language issue to take into account, as usual.
rooney already showed beyond any doubt he's got the personality (the guts) to live up to his skills.
rooney already got a chance to perform on the biggests world scenarions (champions league finals, supercups, key matches for the league title), and he delivered on an almost regular basis.
rooney already got a chance to show that he has the mental strenght to step up, when the situation requires it.
alberto instead still has to prove he can do the same
if i may add my opinion to the conversation, i wouldn't consider alberto a world class player.
however make no mistake, i'm a huge fan of aquilani, i've been raving about him for years.
the "world class" label is something pretty shallow. as u guys pointed out, everyone has his own "world class standards"; some consider world class the best 2,3 players for each role, some others include in this category the 10\20 best players for each role.
but there's something that can be established beyond any doubt. being a world class player isn't just about skill (as younggun ponted out). there are other features required, the most important being the "mental strenght" (a mix of personality, composure, conscious awareness of your talent and of your limits, and most important, the mental strenght required to handle and to live up to the pressure and the expectations).
all top class players have theese features... and theese features make the difference between a great player and a world class player.
in italy and argentina there are dozens of players with "world class skills" but without the guts to accept this role and live up to it, to take responsability of their talent and deliver in key moments.
theese kind of players spend their carreers in a limbo between "great player status" and "top class status" and never completely fulfill the expectations.
it takes just a few matches to realise what an amazing talent alberto has (and i'm not talking about potential, i'm talking about current, fully developed skills), but it takes years to acknowledge if a player has that mental strenght i was talking about..... and since alberto still didn't have a chance to play on a regular basis (like +30 matches) for more seasons, we can't consider him as a world class player just yet.
whenever he got a chance (like in the 05/06 season and in the 07/08 season) he showed he might actually have that strong personality required to like up to his talent.... but still that's not enought time to prove it beyond any doubt.
however "world class player", "almost world class player", "great player"...theese kinda labels don't really matter. IF alberto will be able to show liverpool fans what he showed roma fans in the last 3 years on a regular basis, then he will be a huge addition to the team.
but, given his injury history (although abhishek gave us some good news on this concern, talking about the way Roma handled his injuries), and given the fact that he might end up playing in a role that is not his own role.... that is a big IF.
and even then, there's always the change of country, lifestyle league and language issue to take into account, as usual.
i wouldn't compare rooney to alberto just yet. whether rooney is a world class player or not it's debeatable (by my very personal standards he is a world class player).... butRunedge said:
rooney already showed beyond any doubt he's got the personality (the guts) to live up to his skills.
rooney already got a chance to perform on the biggests world scenarions (champions league finals, supercups, key matches for the league title), and he delivered on an almost regular basis.
rooney already got a chance to show that he has the mental strenght to step up, when the situation requires it.
alberto instead still has to prove he can do the same
Re: Liverpool Thread
Informative as always Lo Zio, I defer to your knowledge as I don't watch enough serie a.
I've always felt this way about Totti. Always seemed like the world was at his feet, and he never quite showed the mental strength needed.
Incidentally, it's also the reason that I think Cristiano Ronaldo will one day be the best player of our generation. His drive, ambition, self-belief and obsessiveness are out of this world. If he can maintain that even now, after he's already achieved almost every honor there is in club football, well it's just scary. He may never be able to drag Portugal up by himself, but I don't think that's fair criticism. I don't like him as a person, but as a footballer he's close to flawless.
Informative as always Lo Zio, I defer to your knowledge as I don't watch enough serie a.
I've always felt this way about Totti. Always seemed like the world was at his feet, and he never quite showed the mental strength needed.
Incidentally, it's also the reason that I think Cristiano Ronaldo will one day be the best player of our generation. His drive, ambition, self-belief and obsessiveness are out of this world. If he can maintain that even now, after he's already achieved almost every honor there is in club football, well it's just scary. He may never be able to drag Portugal up by himself, but I don't think that's fair criticism. I don't like him as a person, but as a footballer he's close to flawless.
Re: Liverpool Thread
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Not saying Aquilani is world class, as it is (there are few who are), but whenever he's played, he's shown that he can be as good as other world class players in his position.
Personally, can't wait him now. Our new system is just made for a player like him to come in, and make the midfield his own.
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Not saying Aquilani is world class, as it is (there are few who are), but whenever he's played, he's shown that he can be as good as other world class players in his position.
Personally, can't wait him now. Our new system is just made for a player like him to come in, and make the midfield his own.
UJSupanova
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Just read that Gerrard is carrying an injury that will require surgery, but Rafa wants to keep him going until the International break. It would explain why he's been off the pace lately and his touch has been really off.
Don't know whether it's true or not so take it with a pinch of salt for now, but i wouldn't be surprised.
Aquilani is rumoured to be ready to join the squad for the Lyon game at the end of the month (a few days before the United game).
Just read that Gerrard is carrying an injury that will require surgery, but Rafa wants to keep him going until the International break. It would explain why he's been off the pace lately and his touch has been really off.
Don't know whether it's true or not so take it with a pinch of salt for now, but i wouldn't be surprised.
Aquilani is rumoured to be ready to join the squad for the Lyon game at the end of the month (a few days before the United game).
UJSupanova
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Just read a rumour on the BBC site (live text commentary, a Chelsea fan txt in) that Drogba will be out of tomorrow's game with a groin problem. Hope So.
A Man Utd fan also txt in saying Vidic wouldn't be playing against Sunderland today after being involved in a minor car accident this morning.
Just read a rumour on the BBC site (live text commentary, a Chelsea fan txt in) that Drogba will be out of tomorrow's game with a groin problem. Hope So.
A Man Utd fan also txt in saying Vidic wouldn't be playing against Sunderland today after being involved in a minor car accident this morning.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Re: Liverpool Thread
The problem with saying Lucas has played quite well is that the only thing he actually does is pass the ball 5 yards around him, so unless he's just shit at doing short passes, his performances shouldn't really change
Lucas has played quite well this season actually
The problem with saying Lucas has played quite well is that the only thing he actually does is pass the ball 5 yards around him, so unless he's just shit at doing short passes, his performances shouldn't really change
Re: Liverpool Thread
pmsl - at least he doesn't tackle like Paul ScholesThe problem with saying Lucas has played quite well is that the only thing he actually does is pass the ball 5 yards around him, so unless he's just shit at doing short passes, his performances shouldn't really change
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread
And? He's miles behind at Scholes at everything else. I mean, just comparing the two.
And? He's miles behind at Scholes at everything else. I mean, just comparing the two.