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matherto said:
Torres needs to just start playing football instead of going down like a sack of shit everytime he gets touched, then spending the rest of the match arguing with the ref.

He's as bad this season as Ronaldo ever was, and yet noone hates him for it.
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You do... :LOL:

Liverpool were just so bland for me, they looked to be stuck in third gear...
 
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The general public would (well, always were/are) be on Ronnie's back if he acted like Torres yesterday though.

Yet El Nino gets no stick at all from anyone...apart from me I guess.
 
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matherto said:
The general public would (well, always were/are) be on Ronnie's back if he acted like Torres yesterday though.

Yet El Nino gets no stick at all from anyone...apart from me I guess.
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I think Torres does like a moan but he gets a lot of stick too, to be fair though Ron did like a moan as well for the same reason.
I do think skilled players lack protection in the Prem in general, we have always had a more physical game, lets face it our football roots are in the muddy kick fest days of 70's and 80's while Italy and Brazil were flicking the ball around and doing the samba... :PIRATE:
 
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The general public would (well, always were/are) be on Ronnie's back if he acted like Torres yesterday though.

Yet El Nino gets no stick at all from anyone...apart from me I guess.
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It will happen..........when he gets an England player sent off and smiles and winkes about it, when he blatently dives for a penalty at 4-0 against relegation fodder, when he has tantrums looking like he is about to burst into tears, when he walks around in pink hotpants and when he starts to hang out with Paris Hilton.

Untill then stop moaning! :D
 
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TikTikTikTikTik said:
He's come out and said the players made stupid mistakes and Villa played well. As he does often enough. But you can just gloss over that, same with the suprs game. First he critised the players for a poor performance and the the ref for one aswell, but that doesn't make a good headline.

And as for Babel........ffs two poor shots in Gerrard area when Gerrard is standing there. Either pass it wide or go wide Ryan! Don't come inside and waste possesion. He'll be off.
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Yeah fair play, he left the officials out of it for once this time.

Bit harsh to blame Babel, he was obviously sent on with the instructions to get on and make something happen. Gerrard was awful, he wasted plenty of chances and he played the full 90mins.

DagsJT said:
Your fans left at 65 mins, ours left at 85 :LOL: Nice try ;)

I don't go in the Utd thread much, but did any Liverpool fans go in on the wind-up after you got beat by a team who played in the Championship last season?
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:D Only messing don't get your knickers in a twist, I wouldn't have minded if you had've done.

DagsJT said:
Last night then? Fucking terrible. Villa did fuck all throughout the game, scoring from a free kick/OG, a corner which shouldn't have been allowed due to some Fergie-esque added on time, and a penalty :ROLL:
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So basically what happened when you beat us at Old Trafford... A few set pieces and some breakaway goals? They defended really well and broke in numbers, I'd hardly call that fuck all. And that's rubbish about the injury time, it was perfectly justified. Its a minimum of one minute, not exactly one minute and if Reina hadn't booted the ball away and wasted time arguing with the ref the corner would've been taken sooner. I'd be more concerned with Carragher and Torres both going for the ball,missing it and allowing Davies to score.

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I'm confident we'll still be up the top of the table but we need to get our arses in gear. Any Mancs trying to count us out and laugh, I heard Utd lost their first two games in one season and still went on to win the league. Bearing in mind United have also lost a game and that was to a team just promoted, I think it'd be foolish to laugh so much just yet ;) Did United manage 5 points in their first four games last season?
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Yeah we got 5 from 4 last season. We're only having a joke Dags, we know you'll be up there at the end of the season, we're just enjoying your poor performances and giving a bit of banter, nothing wrong with that. :PINKS:
 
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Wasn't blaming Babel of anything, well other then poor decisions. The whole game the centre has been packed with little to no space, Im pretty sure the coaches give far more precise instructions then "make something happen lad". And with that Im pretty sure they wouldn't have said, "cut inside at every opportunity and have a potshot from 25yards." The couple of times he had the ball out wide, with Insua on the touch line free, he chose to go inside and shoot.

Didn't think Villa were anything special actually, there's a difference between defending deep and the goalie not having a save to make all game and defending deep and having the goalie make 5 or 6 great saves and hitting the post. As for their attack, well they had one dangerous cross that Reo-coker just missed at....3-1/2-0? with a lot of space. They hardly made Reina make a save over the whole game from what I remember, atleast in open play. And he didn't make a save at setpieces either which was a shame. :D
 
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Well they were defending deep but they were attacking in numbers, it didn't often amount to much but they weren't just hoofing it and waiting for the next wave of Liverpool attack.

I've just been watching the second half again on ESPN and I think I know why Babel took his 2 potshots now. 10 minutes to go, Insua passes to Babel on the left, he cuts inside, looks up and lays it off to Gerrard 25 yards out, Gerrard shapes to shoot, clever dummy and plays a lovely through ball straight into the path of.... a Villa defender!! :LOL:

Oh well, I'm sure you'll wallop Bolton now a bit like we did Wigan over after losing and you did to Stoke. At this rate though you'll lose 19 matches and win 19 alternating :LOL:

EDIT: Someone said Gerrard should drop back and play in midfield.. well he did that for the majority of the second half and was useless. He couldn't pick a pass for shit and created nothing. If he'd stayed upfront he wouldn't have given the ball away in the build up to Villa's penalty and he would've been nowhere near ReoCoker to slice him down! CAM is the position that suits him best, Rafa needs to keep him there.
 
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Well they were defending deep but they were attacking in numbers, it didn't often amount to much but they weren't just hoofing it and waiting for the next wave of Liverpool attack.
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Your point being? Has nothing to do with my comment. The jist of my comment was that even though they were mostly defending they still gave away a lot of chances meaning that it wasn't a great performance as they could just have well have conceded half of those chances and if Liverpool weren't in the giving mood have easily lost the match.

Im not saying Liverpool were good, but Villa got two goals gifted and you could argue a 3rd aswell.
 
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well I'm out of my mini depression. The other night was horrible, just one of those horrible nights football can throw at you.

Hate how it was classed as a classic counter attacking performance. Villa defended well in the first half and closed down the midfield, yes..but the first goal? No-where near a villa player, a very unlucky deflection, the ball came at Lucas very quick and he didnt have time to get behind it properly. The goal came after several missed sitters from Pool and was very much against the run of play. Although with the amount of silly freekicks we were giving away, I thought it was inevitable. AV are a very good set piece team.

The 2nd goal, was fair enough, badly defended, but it was 3 minutes into stoppage time, and the 3rd was just a mad rush of blood to Gerrards head. No dount the set piece defending (and attacking) has to improve. We werent troubled at all from open play, and in the 2nd half it was Brad Friedel yet again who won the game for Villa.

Just a shame that many fans/commentators and so called "experts" will slate him despite the fact he was one of our better players that night (although no-one close to his stoke performance). I think he got dispossed once on the edge of the box because he dwelled a bit (because no-one made a run) and the commentators starting saying how hes too slow for the PL.

Gerrard was a worst player that night. Too many flicks, dwelled on the ball, couldnt even strike the ball properly. Funny thing is, I didnt see Lucas or anyone else berating him for all the overhit back passes and balooned shots.

Torres was poor yes, he was getting very rough treatment and the ref was giving him nothing. His shirt was ripped ffs within the first 10 minutes and elbows were flying into his air when he was challenging for the ball. But I'd expect nothing less from a MON team. Thing is, even when he's playiang shit and not holding the ball up properly he still manages to score. His positioning in the box is excellent. 2 goals in 3 games for someone who looks like hes been kept up all night but his new sprog isnt too bad.

I'm not too worried. The kneejerk reactions from Press and fans alike is quite amusing at times. Suddenly we were a 4man team, down to a 3man team when Alonso went, but before that we were merely a 2man team.

The players will click, and the cobwebs will blow out. We have some brilliant players to come back into the mix. Aurelio, Agger, Aquilani, Reira


Positives last night? Insua. Could have got forward a bit more but he set up the goal and was so comftable in possesion and in defence. Even won the majority of his aerial battles!

And Voronin I thought. His first touch is excellent, hes a good option to have, he finds space in between the mifield and defence and you can ping the ball into him knowing its not going straight into a defender. Again, he helped to create the goal, and we looked more dangerous with him on the pitch.

Glenn Johsnon was great again, but didnt get forward as much on the outside of the defender as he did against Stoke.
 
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I must be the only one who was hugely disappointed with Voronin against Villa. We brought him on to score, and sure he played a part in getting the ball to Insua for the goal, but he hardly spent any time in the area.

Far too many times we attacked and there was only two players in the box with nobody else remotely clear. Seeing Voronin come on, I expected more numbers in the area but he spent more time loitering around the D and even further back at times with the likes of Lucas and even Carragher ahead of him.

I just think he has a tendency to drop back far too often when we really need someone like Owen or Fowler to be right on the defensive line to poach a goal and force their defence back more. We just don't have that kind of player as Babel and Ngog also like to hang back.

Maybe Nemeth is more of a poacher but he's out on loan now :(

Cracking read by Sarah Winterburn there too.
 
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I dont think Voronin will ever be brought on just to score?

He's not prolific, never has been, but hes always been a good linkup player. Agreed, towards the end of the game he dropped a bit too deep for my liking, but it was because he wanted the ball.
 
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But if we're bringing him on when we need a goal, and we only have Torres up there as a lone striker, surely we need someone else alongside Torres to take attention away from him and seperate the defence a bit more.

I just feel we need a poacher as opposed to a link-up player.
 
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Who says Rafa brought him on to score? Rafa might have very well wanted him just to create something (which he did). Just like he brought on Babel last season, not to score, but to stretch defenses.
 
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True, but we had players on to create chances and stretch the defence (as the stats show), what we lacked was putting those chances away while Torres was being battered around the area.
 
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DagsJT said:
But if we're bringing him on when we need a goal, and we only have Torres up there as a lone striker, surely we need someone else alongside Torres to take attention away from him and seperate the defence a bit more.

I just feel we need a poacher as opposed to a link-up player.
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yes agreed, maybe playing a 4-2-3-1 is creating more problems that what its worth.

The Chavs have Drogba and Anelka and Kalou etc who can all play together and will get more playing time because of their formation. Same for Rooney/Berbatov/Owen. And Arshavin, RVP, Eduardo, Bendtner.
 
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Bolton away .. and then Burnley at home. Hardly a tough schedule before the Villa game, now?? Ger needs to put his head where his heart is.
 
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PetrovLFC said:
Just a shame that many fans/commentators and so called "experts" will slate him despite the fact he was one of our better players that night (although no-one close to his stoke performance). I think he got dispossed once on the edge of the box because he dwelled a bit (because no-one made a run) and the commentators starting saying how hes too slow for the PL.
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I assume you're talking about Lucas? I haven't heard too many pundits critising him after the Villa match, but he does get unjust stick and I feel really sorry for the guy. He barely put a foot wrong, naturally he's used to playing further up the field but he plays where he's told for Rafa, neat on the ball nothing mindblowing, but the deflection was unfortunate and from that moment the Liverpool fans were heckling and jeering when he got the ball and him and Babel are just scapegoats when anything goes wrong. Rafa was right to blame the senior players as it was them that weren't up to the task.
 
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yep, think Rafa did a good job in the media afterwards. It was the senior players that were below par. Babel actually looked lively and hungry when he came on which was a stark contrast to his appearance v Spurs. And Insua and Lucas were two of the better players that night. Hopefully Gerrard in particular will rise to Rafa's finger pointing and put in a stormer against Bolton. We have to win otherwise we could well slide into a a slump we cant get out of.

I'd agree that lucas is better further forward, he played as a AMC for Gremio, scored goals, set up goals and well he must've impressed someone to win the same award that Tevez, Kaka et co won back home. But i think once Aquilani is settled, then Lucas will be offski somewhere else. He might need to do it to rescue his career.
 
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Yeah, it's a bit like what we've got with Anderson. He was dubbed the new Ronaldinho and played much further up the pitch (incidently for Gremio too) and SAF has moulded him into more of an all rounder which initially he was great at (superb against Liverpool and Arsenal in 07/08, kept Fabregas and Gerrard anonymous) but now he doesn't seem to be producing the performances so often. I guess he needs a run in the team, preferably with Fletcher alongside him as those two compliment each other the best or as part of a 3 man midfield, but like you say when Aquilani comes back I can't see much room for Lucas, which is a shame.
 
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Anderson and Lucas are what, 22? They've got talent, but since when has a midfield consistently run the midfield of a top club at 22?

Anderson is still spared I guess, but the amount of stick Lucas gets is ridiculous. FFS, he's 22, he should be treated as a prospect, and nothing more. The fact that after that OG, he run with the ball, then did a 360 turn, shows his attitude.

Give him a chance.
 
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I think if Lucas was at a club challenging for a Europa League place then he'd be great. It's the fact he's in the spotlight so much for a team challenging for the league that's harming him I think.

I've saw some glimpses of Lucas to see he's got some talent, but I've not seen enough to understand how he won the Brazilian young player of the year award and I'm not sure he's that well suited to the English league anyway.

I've said before, put him in Italy or Spain and he'd be far better. Here he's getting far less time on the ball and being clattered, he's not grown to learn football like that and he's taking time to adjust. How long he gets given to adjust is up to Rafa I guess.
 
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I think in Italy or Spain he'd really start to shine, i think he knows that too, and when Aquaman over here, he'll be even more aware of it.

Young players at big clubs often have to perform straight away, there just isnt enough patience and the pressure to win every game is immense.

More so if the morons boo him.
 
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PetrovLFC said:
Young players at big clubs often have to perform straight away, there just isnt enough patience and the pressure to win every game is immense.
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Exactly, although I think if you come from our youth system then you have much more leaway. I think it's that Lucas came with a lot of hype having won the award and we expected him to immediately become this Brazilian superstar.

I think this is make or break for him this season. With Aquilani coming in, competition is going to hot up for Lucas and he wont get a better opportunity to impress than he's got now.

I hope he takes this opportunity because the lad clearly has a lot of talent and we could use some of the creativity he has, but I'm still not convinced yet.
 
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