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Phat J 22 said:
not everyone is spoiled with winning a championship every year, liverpool have had a pretty amazing season if you ask me.
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:WORSHIP:

which is one reason why the fans of the big four can be despised by others.

You dont have to win everything for it to be a memorable season.
 
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DagsJT said:
Also taking into account we've had injury problems and that Gerrard and Torres (our best players) have only been able to start 12 games this season together, which is crazy. Injuries have affected us in a big way this season also unfortunately :(

Likewise Hargreaves has been missing for United so you can only work with what you're given. And looking at our season as a whole, if you told me we'd be where we are now at the start of the season, I'd have gladly taken it :)
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Hargreaves IMO isnt your best option in midfield either!
 
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Its actually an interesting point a very interesting position we are in atm, in a long (5year) period. If you look at the 4 teams you can see where they are on the curve and how the coming seasons could pan out.

I would say Utd are nearly, if not already, at the top of their curve. Midfield could be a bit stronger (hargreaves) but then with Giggs and scholes on the way down and the replacements they can improve with a signing but at the same time won't dimish very much either. Their defense is the best with no loss in performance due to age and basicly the quality being determined by individual form (Rio/Vidic). Also the attack won't be getting any worse unless Ronaldo moves on. Tevez can probably be replaced by the younger lads as long as the other 3 stay fit.

Liverpool are on a upward curve. Attack will improve: Gerrard and Torres will get better playing together, staying fit and the back ups wingers whould improve with experience. Midfield can only get better imo, as logn as Alonso stays, with maybe a really good winger to help dimish the reliance on Gerrard/Torres. Defense will probably stay the same, Agger/Skrtel should improve but Carra is getting on whilst the wingbacks will stay the same, slightly improve. So Liverpool should generally still improve, mostly attack wise.

Chelsea are on a dowward curve, they are all getting on and it will be down to the manager to keep them strong for now but with the lack of funds coming in it will be quite a job to keep the level.

Arsenal are always in development. And comments from Arsene don't seem to look like changing that. And with their medical team being crap for a few seasons now the injuries will likely continue.

So if you look at that you would expect Liverpool to be the main competitor to Utd the coming seasons with Chelsea also being very close if they get a good manager in.
 
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Well I thought Liverpool were a "Big Club" Im sorry but if you end the season with nothing its been a failure. Nonetheless you have improved as a side but im nut sure you can do the same next season.
 
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You never know. Liverpool had a 2nd place finish a few years ago and went back the year after. All you can really be sure of is it will be the same 4 teams at the top.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Well I thought Liverpool were a "Big Club" Im sorry but if you end the season with nothing its been a failure. Nonetheless you have improved as a side but im nut sure you can do the same next season.
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Nothing?

Last year people will complaining about no title challenge, and not being able to beat the big teams. We've got the double over both you and Chelsea, and we've damn well challenged for the title. I see so many times how people mention we'll never get this sort of opportunity to win the title. BULLSHIT.

If United win all their games, they finish on 92 points. 92!! And only Chelsea have bettered that in Premier League history. Chelsea will finish around the same points they did last season, so no, they haven't gone backwards, and Arsenal. Well, let's not talk about them.

If you can't see how much we've improved this season, then you're blind. We've got a young team, with young players, and we can only improve at the moment. We've scored the most goals in the league, with the best goal difference, and we've played fantastic football. Something that never happened under Houllier. We're going upwards, and we've got a great team, and a world class manager. Ferguson has plenty to fear about.
 
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marukomu said:
You never know. Liverpool had a 2nd place finish a few years ago and went back the year after. All you can really be sure of is it will be the same 4 teams at the top.
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lol too tru...

feck me a Champs League Trophy didnt exactly push them on either..

saying that they finished 5th that year and came either 3rd or 4th the following season...

so to these lot that counts as progress I s'pose..
 
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Amusing to see a number of utd fans becoming their arrogant selves again now the league is close to being wrapped up. Didn't hear much from you a couple of weeks ago :D
 
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Well when you win the league we'll expect you to be arrogant about it :P

If you're not, then you're just not graceful winners :COOL:
 
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is their genuine concern among mancs that once Fergie leaves, where will that leave you? Just wonderng?
 
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Abhishek said:
Nothing?

Last year people will complaining about no title challenge, and not being able to beat the big teams. We've got the double over both you and Chelsea, and we've damn well challenged for the title. I see so many times how people mention we'll never get this sort of opportunity to win the title. BULLSHIT.

If United win all their games, they finish on 92 points. 92!! And only Chelsea have bettered that in Premier League history. Chelsea will finish around the same points they did last season, so no, they haven't gone backwards, and Arsenal. Well, let's not talk about them.

If you can't see how much we've improved this season, then you're blind. We've got a young team, with young players, and we can only improve at the moment. We've scored the most goals in the league, with the best goal difference, and we've played fantastic football. Something that never happened under Houllier. We're going upwards, and we've got a great team, and a world class manager. Ferguson has plenty to fear about.
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Yes well done you've won the "Beat Manchester United/Chelsea twice Trophy" You've challenged which is a first but isn't all that to shout about. as it doesn't mean anything? would be a bit like us Celebrating getting the CL final again even if we lose.

PetrovLFC said:
is their genuine concern among mancs that once Fergie leaves, where will that leave you? Just wonderng?
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Slightly as he's the best manager we've ever had and probably the game has ever had but fuck me he's trying to make it easier for whoever comes in. The squad he's built is ridiculously good and not just that but most our of the age of 23/24.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
would be a bit like us Celebrating getting the CL final again even if we lose.
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And you wont be? Because I can guarantee it'll be used in many discussions in the future that "at least we got to the final" blah blah ;)
 
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PetrovLFC said:
is their genuine concern among mancs that once Fergie leaves, where will that leave you? Just wonderng?
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Well if he keeps pushing Quieroz as his successor I'll be worried, the guy has failed as a manager at Real Madrid and is failing as Portugal manager. He's a great coach it seems, and a great guy for finding new players but not a great manager.

If we got Mourinho I'd hope he'd play 4-3-3 with Rooney, a striker and Ronaldo (if he's still there once Fergie leaves), but I can only imagine him playing a negative formation which wouldn't be good to watch.

Apart from those two, I can't really think of anyone else who could possibly manage us and if that's the case it's definitely worrying. Fergie is such a big part of United so for that to suddenly be taken away it'll be interesting to see just how badly we're affected.
 
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Laurent Blanc for me, Amazing acheivement if he manages to win the French legue with Bordaeux
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Yes well done you've won the "Beat Manchester United/Chelsea twice Trophy" You've challenged which is a first but isn't all that to shout about. as it doesn't mean anything? would be a bit like us Celebrating getting the CL final again even if we lose.
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Of course its something to shout about, getting to the final is a massive acheivement, and the journey along the way is usually memorable, particularly for the fans that travel away in Europe.

For us Athens although a major dissapointment, because I thought that team should have beaten that Milan side, it was just too negative a team selection from Rafa, but it would an experience, and a stepping stone, alot of the Istanbul players had moved on, and it was the new guard of "Rafa's players" in the final.

United should celebrate getting to the final even if you lose, you'd have to admit that Barca are a very good team. Not every club has the resources to compete in every competition like you do. If I was a manc fan I would expect to win at least two cups a year.

Yes we are a big four club, but the satisfaction for me is how well we've played and how we've competed with bigger squads conisderng we are still using unfashionable and under-rated players (Arbeloa, Reira, Kuyt, Sktrel, Aurelio, Insua etc) because we can't afford to spend 20m each on several players each year.

You'll probably say you've heard it all before, a sob story about how we lack money, buts its true and you know it:BOP:
 
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Fair points Peter but I think the argument that Liverpool underspend compared to the rest of the top four is overstated. I agree with you about Arbeloa and Kuyt (and to a point Aurelio), they are underrated by the majority. Reira IMO has been fairly poor overall but its only his first season and Insua is only a youngster so personally I would not include them in that bracket. Skrtel's transfer is comparable to that of Vidic (in terms of their position, the transfer fees and the league they came from) and I dont think he is under rated at all, if anything he's a little over rated by Liverpool fans.

You spent £8m on Riera, £7m on Dossena (Evra £5.5m/A.Cole £5m/Clichy £250k) and £20m-ish on Keane in the summer, that's not cheap. Babel was around £13-14m, Mascherano was £18m I think, Kuyt and Alonso were both £10m+ and of course Torres was £20-25m. These may have been slightly countered by selling your crap players but you can't argue you have a squad that cost nothing compared to the rest because you dont! You've certainly spent a lot more than Arsenal have.

People always go on about United spending a fortune assembling our team, which in some respects we have, but for every Rooney, Berbatov and Carrick we've got a Giggs, Fletcher, O'shea, Scholes, Neville, Evans and so on who cost nothing, plus 'bargains' like Evra, Vidic and Park.

Another part of the argument that confuses me is 'Rafa had to overhaul the shite team Houiller left him'. The same 'shit' team was basically the one that won the CL in 2005, it can't have been that bad!!! He inherited Gerrard, Carragher and Hyypia amongst others who are obviously still a major part of the team today, so I just can't agree with that at all. Your final league position has consistently been around 3rd or 4th for years and years (infact Houllier took you 2nd in 01/02) so I dont think the improvement is as dramatic as you make out.

That said, it's a been an exciting title race and I can see it going to the final weekend and whether it's us or you, the best team will come out on top. :))
 
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Liverpool spend as much as us, difference is Liverpool sign 5-6 players using that budget while we'll bring in 1-3 players with the same budget. I think reaching the Champions League final for the 2nd year running is something great but if we lose then its all forgotten.

I think Liverpool need another 2-3 quality players rather than average ones to really believe they can compete with us. All your signings in the summer turned out rubbish so Rafa's going to need to get it right this time.
 
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Abhishek said:
Heh, maybe I did go a bit over the top there. Not really up there with Cannavaro and Ayala in their prime, but he's just a level below for me. And certainly one of the best in the Premier League in recent years.

Still, there's no one as aerially dominant as he is :P
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vidic?
 
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I've had enough with this media obsession on what an amazing season you lot of have had,esp Mcnulty on the beeb, FFS it looks like your gonna get 2nd place no silverware and no major finals,I Can't really remember the Media wanking over Chelsea's 2nd place and two runners up medals last year.
 
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chelsea also won the title two years on the trot just a few years ago, if you put it in the context of a team like liverpool who dont even challenge on a normal basis they've had a pretty good season.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Yes well done you've won the "Beat Manchester United/Chelsea twice Trophy" You've challenged which is a first but isn't all that to shout about. as it doesn't mean anything? would be a bit like us Celebrating getting the CL final again even if we lose.
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It's a lot to shout about. Beating you and Chelsea, gives us the confidence to know that we can beat you again. That's huge. The belief, the winning mentality. Why couldn't we beat you earlier? We'd never managed before. But now we have, and we can go out with confidence against you.

We might not have as many comebacks like this season. But it's given us the confidence to know that we can make comebacks. It's another mental hurdle we've overcome. Now teams will know, they might have scored the winner in the 90th minute, but by the time it's the 94th, we'd already have equalized, and be pushing for a winner. Fuck me, you can think you have one foot in the CL semi final by scoring 3 goals at Anfield, yet in the next game, you'll be defending like your life depends on it, because we'll be looking for the goal that takes us through in the 90th. We're still the most feared team in Europe. Ask the Porto player, who, when asked his thoughts about the United game, said "Hey it could have been worse, it could have been Liverpool". Tell me that counts for nothing?

Fuck the 'defensive team' crap. We've outscored you, and by a margin. And without our two best attackers starting the majority of the games. The unfashionable Dirk Kuyt's out scored Rooney, the inconsistent Benayoun has been consistently destroying teams. Torres is near top of the goal scoring chart, despite starting half the games the other players started. Xabi Alonso showed he's the best midfielder in the country. Gerrard is having another amazing season. There's unity in this team, that's never been seen before. They're all behind the manager, who now has full control over footballing matters. No more Rick Parry to fuck up. Insua's proving to be an absolute gem, Ngog is scoring whenever he plays a game, we're in another youth cup final.

That counts for nothing, eh?

Little fact. All teams that have won the league in the PL era, have finished 2nd the previous season. Yup, the first had to challenge for the title, get the experience, and then they went onto win the league. You don't go from 4th to 1st in a season. Chelsea had to challenge Arsenal, Arsenal had to challenge you lot, Blackburn had to challenge you, and you had to challenge Leeds. We challenged you this season, and gave you a mauling at your own place. Counts for nothing, that?

United fans can glee at the possibility for 18-4 this season, and fuck it, you deserve it. But know that, Liverpool are right on your tails, and waiting to pounce. And they know how to do that now. And they've got the players do that. And they'll go out, and get even better players. Ferguson's time is about to end. Rafa's time is just beginning.

PS Sorry for the rant :P
 
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Abhishek said:
It's a lot to shout about. Beating you and Chelsea, gives us the confidence to know that we can beat you again. That's huge. The belief, the winning mentality. Why couldn't we beat you earlier? We'd never managed before. But now we have, and we can go out with confidence against you.

We might not have as many comebacks like this season. But it's given us the confidence to know that we can make comebacks. It's another mental hurdle we've overcome. Now teams will know, they might have scored the winner in the 90th minute, but by the time it's the 94th, we'd already have equalized, and be pushing for a winner. Fuck me, you can think you have one foot in the CL semi final by scoring 3 goals at Anfield, yet in the next game, you'll be defending like your life depends on it, because we'll be looking for the goal that takes us through in the 90th. We're still the most feared team in Europe. Ask the Porto player, who, when asked his thoughts about the United game, said "Hey it could have been worse, it could have been Liverpool". Tell me that counts for nothing?

Fuck the 'defensive team' crap. We've outscored you, and by a margin. And without our two best attackers starting the majority of the games. The unfashionable Dirk Kuyt's out scored Rooney, the inconsistent Benayoun has been consistently destroying teams. Torres is near top of the goal scoring chart, despite starting half the games the other players started. Xabi Alonso showed he's the best midfielder in the country. Gerrard is having another amazing season. There's unity in this team, that's never been seen before. They're all behind the manager, who now has full control over footballing matters. No more Rick Parry to fuck up. Insua's proving to be an absolute gem, Ngog is scoring whenever he plays a game, we're in another youth cup final.

That counts for nothing, eh?

Little fact. All teams that have won the league in the PL era, have finished 2nd the previous season. Yup, the first had to challenge for the title, get the experience, and then they went onto win the league. You don't go from 4th to 1st in a season. Chelsea had to challenge Arsenal, Arsenal had to challenge you lot, Blackburn had to challenge you, and you had to challenge Leeds. We challenged you this season, and gave you a mauling at your own place. Counts for nothing, that?

United fans can glee at the possibility for 18-4 this season, and fuck it, you deserve it. But know that, Liverpool are right on your tails, and waiting to pounce. And they know how to do that now. And they've got the players do that. And they'll go out, and get even better players. Ferguson's time is about to end. Rafa's time is just beginning.

PS Sorry for the rant :P
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But its not like you've never beat us, In Houlliers time at the club you beat us quite often I remember and finished 2nd. didn't work out then just saying. The Chelsea/Arsenal games were rare occasions, both teams defended like shite so no point in bringing that up as a positive IMO.

Liverpool aren't the most feared team in Europe, Yes you are a hard team to beat but fuck me thats a load of shit. Im sure we have more claim to that record since we've broken the CL record of most games without losing. using the Porto example is easy just ask Chivu the former Roma defender if he would prefer to play United or Liverpool.

Agreed I don't think your a "Defensive side" but you do have a cautious manager and that went out the window since the Madrid game and you've probably been playing at your peak, Ronaldo was also missing for us earlier in the season as was Rooney, I remember a period were we had 5-6 of our players missing? This hasn't been a "Vintage Manchester United Season" but our team has still managed to achieve so much. We haven't played anywhere near our best all season. Ronaldo's top scorer but has had a average season, Rooney's had a good season but can still score more. Berba will be better next season without a doubt.

Fergie's era may be ending but what he's done for United will probably last for decades. everything at the club is their while Rafa is still building, we'll see next season if you can challenge again if so then Yes or maybe you have a poor start, "Rafa out" becomes the cry again and he's off, You just never know;)
 
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Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has been voted the 2009 Footballer of the Year by the Football Writers' Association.

The 28-year-old England international topped the poll of journalists ahead of Manchester United duo Ryan Giggs and Wayne Rooney to win the prestigious accolade, which has been running since 1948.

Gerrard, who has led the Reds' challenge to United for the Premier League title, will receive his award at the FWA's gala dinner at the Royal Lancaster Hotel in London on 29th May.

Chairman of the FWA Steve Bates said: "Steven's performances this season have been of the highest quality.

"His drive and desire have underpinned Liverpool's Premier League title challenge and ensured a tight finish to the season.

"Steven is clearly in his prime and quite rightly rated one of the finest midfield players of his generation, and the FWA are delighted to honour his contribution to club and country."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5320055,00.html
 
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