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gerd said:
Dalglish is the best Brittish player ever (and now that we have sorted out that Northern Ireland really is a part of Great Brittain, that includes George Best).
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It isn't though, it's part of the UK. Great Britain is composed of England, Scotland and Wales, even though the term "British" is used in reference to the UK as a whole.
 
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Just read that Four Four Two voted Kenny as the best British post war striker.
 
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mathewsss said:
Going back to the Blackpool game....
I thought Poulsen did well...some good passing in the 1st half...
Meireles was disappointing..
Kelly was good...
Kuyt was ok in the 1st half, and crap in the 2nd...
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yea i noticed that, i saw Poulsen play a steady game. kept the ball well and made good passes. nothing fancy but he isn't that type of player

lucas is impressing me i think he is becoming a big influence in the games

meireles was very disappointing, was his worst game for us

kelly looks solid, i hope he keeps his place but don't play johnson left back ffs play him right wing

i would like to see Suso get the odd 20 minutes and see what he can do
 
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I thought Poulsen did well as well tbf, but that may be because Meireles looked like a fucking dog. Although i saw today that in the entire game Poulsen only attempted 5 tackles.
 
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gerd said:
There is something wrong with a few United fans on this forum. Some of them think i have "an irrational hate towards United". It would be pretty stupid to hate a football club, you might aswell hate a lamp post.or a kitchen sink.
What i do not like at all is the way some United fans behave on the verge of arrogance. I really don't understand some fans, they are gloating in euphory because they support the most succesfull club of the two last decades. I don't understand that. Do they really think that they have any merits in this success? They haven't.

Dalglish is the best Brittish player ever (and now that we have sorted out that Northern Ireland really is a part of Great Brittain, that includes George Best).

If Cantona (the best player who ever played in Brittish football) would succede Ferguson, i think most United fans would be over the moon, although (unlike Dalgish) Cantona has proved nothing as a coach...

Give Dalglish time (more time than Hodgson, i'm still convinced that Hodgson never got a fair chance) and lets see what becomes of Liverpool. IMO this team needs to get rid of quite a few players (and i'm not talking about the usual suspects like Poulsen or Konchesky) and needs to buy better ones, but i'm fairly confident that next season Liverpool will be in the top six. That is as good as they were two years ago, because Man City and Spurs have joined the top 4.
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You say you dont hate United and we've been through this conversation enough times. But its comments like the one in bold that stops me from taking you seriously.
 
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I'm not sure where you get the idea that Best was only good for a couple of seasons,he spent over a decade in the Utd first team and was the leading goalscorer in most of them, that's including the team with the Lawman in it.I also don't get your comparison with the crazy Columbian goalkeeper, who in my opinion was a joke,are you saying Best was just a show pony? Your argument about silverware doesn't hold water either. Frank Leboeuf won the world cup does that make him a better player than Best?
I'm not having a dig at Kenny, as I said I consider him one of the finest players I've seen play in the flesh, just not in the same league as Best.
 
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DagsJT said:
Compared to Lucas who made 14, right?
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haven't seen the full stats tbh, someone put that Poulsen one on twitter earlier.

Also read on twitter that Roque Santa Cruz has only scored more than 5 league goals in a season once out of his 12 seasons in the Bundesliga and Premier League and that was his first season at Blackburn. That's a shocking statistic imo, just shows how badly Man City were ripped off after he'd had his only good season :LOL:
 
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northstandhero said:
I'm not sure where you get the idea that Best was only good for a couple of seasons,he spent over a decade in the Utd first team and was the leading goalscorer in most of them, that's including the team with the Lawman in it.I also don't get your comparison with the crazy Columbian goalkeeper, who in my opinion was a joke,are you saying Best was just a show pony? Your argument about silverware doesn't hold water either. Frank Leboeuf won the world cup does that make him a better player than Best?
I'm not having a dig at Kenny, as I said I consider him one of the finest players I've seen play in the flesh, just not in the same league as Best.
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northstandhero said:
I'm not sure where you get the idea that Best was only good for a couple of seasons,he spent over a decade in the Utd first team and was the leading goalscorer in most of them, that's including the team with the Lawman in it.I also don't get your comparison with the crazy Columbian goalkeeper, who in my opinion was a joke,are you saying Best was just a show pony? Your argument about silverware doesn't hold water either. Frank Leboeuf won the world cup does that make him a better player than Best?
I'm not having a dig at Kenny, as I said I consider him one of the finest players I've seen play in the flesh, just not in the same league as Best.
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But that's part of the problem, he only really had 8 and half years in his prime (around 64 to the first walk out in 72). His demons (drink) took over by 72-73 and he was never the same level. He ended up almost becoming a virtual journeyman after 72, playing in South Africa, NASL and getting relegated with Scotland. Internationally he never even played at a World Cup or a European Championship. It's very hard to think of another massive profile player who's not played at a WC or Euros. Liam Brady maybe, but it was suspension that knocked him out of Euro 88.

The sad thing is, had Best not been so plagued by the drink he would have made the Northern Irish team in 82 (as a 36 year old at a small [population] country he would have had a great chance) but the drink meant age wasnt at all kind to him.

Two leagues and one European Cup (modern day CL) is a sadly small return for a player of such skill. It's Gazza syndrome, just like Best if he'd been able to lay off the sauce he could have been the greatest player from the UK.
 
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cfdh_edmundo said:
But that's part of the problem, he only really had 8 and half years in his prime (around 64 to the first walk out in 72). His demons (drink) took over by 72-73 and he was never the same level. He ended up almost becoming a virtual journeyman after 72, playing in South Africa, NASL and getting relegated with Scotland. Internationally he never even played at a World Cup or a European Championship. It's very hard to think of another massive profile player who's not played at a WC or Euros. Liam Brady maybe, but it was suspension that knocked him out of Euro 88.

The sad thing is, had Best not been so plagued by the drink he would have made the Northern Irish team in 82 (as a 36 year old at a small [population] country he would have had a great chance) but the drink meant age wasnt at all kind to him.

Two leagues and one European Cup (modern day CL) is a sadly small return for a player of such skill. It's Gazza syndrome, just like Best if he'd been able to lay off the sauce he could have been the greatest player from the UK.
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That is exactly what i mean. And of course Best was better than Higuita. But if you call Best the best "Brittish or UK" (i'm sorry Abou) ever then there is also reason to call Gazza one of the better England players ever...wish he isn't.

The argument of Leboeuf is not a fair one (but neither was my Higuita one). I'm well aware of the fact that Best is much, much better than Leboeuf. But one could compare him with the stars of that French team like Henry and Zidane. To me there is no discussion although Best was more gifted than Henry, Henry clearly got more results and impact. I also think that the English league in which Best was a star was considerably weaker than the one in which Dalglish played. Also don't forget that (unfortunately) i'm old enough to have actually see playing both Dalglish and Best in their prime.

Lastly, you never answered my question about a comparision between Best and the Man Utd icons and besides Cantona, Scholes, Giggs that also includes Schmeichel (maybe he is the best Man Utd player ever), Charlton, Edwards (the only one i never saw playing) and Law...

Rune: in other discussions i actually like you a lot. But when it comes to United you never ever use arguments always absolute truths...it's the same in this discussion. Once, a rather long time ago, we agreed to disagree on this subject and until you actually come with arguments i will not discuss with you about Man Utd, it's a waste of time. I remember our age long row about Man Utd started when i actually showed sympathy with Man Utd in the Glazier story...i only had the unforgivable nerve to out myself as a former Utd fan.

Sometimes i really don't understand English "fans", in a Man City thread one of their fans accused me being against his club because i used to be a Man Utd fan...if you consider it, it's really very funny.
 
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Belgian press (Le Soir) reports that Liverpool will make £22m offer for young striker next week.
 
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@ Gerd,

That's why I don't even bother with which player is best on a forum. It's a simple system of setting your argument/comparison up based on certain criteria. But even then people go off on one ignoring the actual basis of the arguments presented.

To sum up (for those who care, which isn't me):
Technical skill only; Best win's
Slightly less skill but overal impact to team, league, trophies and consistancy: Dalglish win's.
 
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I've also read that Liverpool will make an offer for Lukaku, they are pepared to pay 24 million euro (that is roughly 20 million pound).

Anderlecht's answer will be: no.

Lukaku himself is a Chelsea fan, but i think Liverpool would be better for him.

@ tik, i agree with you on plater compariosions and certainly between players from different periods. I also agree with your assessment of both players. I merely spoke about Dalglish because some people had quite a lack of respect for him. And then it became a discussion between me and the United fans...there is ancient history between me and them. I should not have discussed this in a Liverpool thread: sorry and discussion closed.
 
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I've loads of respect for Daglish, as a player, and even more as a man,how he handled the Hillsborough situation was a credit to himself,his club and you as Liverpool fans.I believe that He and Marina attended every funeral, which is astounding. I said before I'm not here for a dig, and I'm certainly not a troll or WUM.
You're right Gerd this isn't the place to discuss it, we have our own opinions, which I'm afraid differ.
 
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I remember Kenny walking w/ his daughter, while Fergie was answering question to the media. Kenny, said "talk to my daughter she has more sense "or something like that :LOL: . He`s not the same man I know ,but in his days as a pool boss he was arrogant.
 
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To compare or talk who i better than anyone is stupid.. Both Dalglish and Best are amazing legends of two clubs that are not suposed to be rivals... and were not rivals that big..

Only true rivals to Liverpool is Everton and that is how it should stay..United i dont consider bigest rivals.. it chainged only in 90s when United starting and achieved the same amount of League trophys as LFC.. other than that i realy look forward to a true derby against Everton...

we have to win.
 
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In 'Het Laatste Nieuws' Van Holsbeeck says, re Liverpool, "We're aware something could move next week". Comolli is a fan.
 
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well hopefully..we need a striker immediately.. + two more players that are quality...right-left wing and left back..
 
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Quite nervous but excited about today. Got a feeling that Everton might take the win as they'll have more confidence than we will but then we're at home for the first time under Kenny so the crowd should be buzzing.

Can see this being a draw but wouldn't be surprised with either team winning.
 
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So, Jay Spearing playing his first match in ages and Glen Johnson at left back again.

If this was Hodgson we'd be ripping into him no end. I'm tempted to put a tenner on an Everton win.
 
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Surprising to see Spearing starting, bit of determination and passion in the team though.

Johnson at LB again disappoints me, especially with Aurelio on the bench. Coleman will rip Johnson to shreads.

Also Jovanovic is expected to join Trabzonspor next week.
 
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Dags, Het Laatste Nieuws is the equivalent of The Sun...
I also read that Commoli will come to Brussels, but neither Anderlecht or Lukaku himslef want an transfer. Lukaku is desperate to obtain his A levels (well our equivalent of them). There will be no transfer unless an absolutely insane comes. Don't hope too much about this.
 
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gerd said:
Dags, Het Laatste Nieuws is the equivalent of The Sun...
I also read that Commoli will come to Brussels, but neither Anderlecht or Lukaku himslef want an transfer. Lukaku is desperate to obtain his A levels (well our equivalent of them). There will be no transfer unless an absolutely insane comes. Don't hope too much about this.
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Hehe, when you see Lukaku it's so unimaginable that he's still in school.
 
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Fair result in the end.

Johnson actually played really well, as did Kelly. Still not sure about him on the left, but he seems more solid defensively on that side. Don't remember much getting past him today. Kelly looked good of the most part, although he did have a poor spell against Anichebe in the 2nd half.

The main issue is a lack of quality at CD, Agger having to go off made it tougher to keep possesion, and a lack of quality up front. Can't really remember many good individual attacking plays that didn't originate from Torres, there was far more decent build up play (Kuyt/Kelly and one of the cm-ers) though. Without Gerrard the team is blunted.

Time will tell, as this is a special match, but the team seems to be playing far better now. Reina hardly hoofed the ball up, same for the defenders, and there is far more focus on keeping possesion and playing the ball on the ground. I think with maybe a signing or two and Carra and Gerrard getting back the team should be solid enough to make the top half. A run of 3 wins should even put the team back into the top 6/7.

Hopefully Clarke can get the training right and sort the defense out as they can go at sea when under pressure.
 
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Kuyt was tremendous especially in the second half, he started the Liverpool charge, played with absolute determination (and some wrenching tackles too, loved it). He's probably the 'scouser' Liverpool were looking for in this game.

After the Everton second goal I feared the worst, the team could've folded and lost. But they got back in it, What happened with Agger by the way?
 
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