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gerd said:
I know i will not be very popular in this thread, but IMO Gerrard is an extremly unfair player and he allways gets away with it.
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yeh you said that last time, and used a really daft example to back it up, and was promptly laughed at.


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The Professional Game Match Officials have released a statement after reviewing Dirk Kuyt's opening goal in the 2-2 draw with Sunderland on Saturday afternoon.

The Dutch star's fifth minute strike came under media scrutiny after it was suggested Makems defender Michael Turner had not intended to take the free-kick in the lead up to the home side's goal.

However, the PGMO have responded by issuing the following statement: "PGMO has reviewed the first goal scored between Liverpool and Sunderland and believe that the correct decisions were made.

"According to the Laws of the Game, having stopped the game for any infringement the referee is required to "indicate the restart of the match".

"In practice, in the majority of cases, referees indicate for the re-start by gesturing to players to take the kick. These gestures can be minimal. For the more important 'ceremonial' free-kicks, which also involve control of the defensive wall, referees can indicate by using the whistle. However, there is no requirement by Law to use the whistle to make the indication.

"The ball is then in play when it is kicked and moves. So, in this case, the ball was in play as soon as it is kicked by a Sunderland player.

"Also, the Laws state that the free-kick must be taken from the place where the infringement occurred. Again, in this case, the referee correctly determined that the free-kick was played from the right place."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/why-kuyt-goal-was-correct
 
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Saw it on the news thismorning, it just looks like a stupid action from the defender more then anything else. You could argue it wasn't a "serious" kick as it was more a backheel type kick but the ref seemed to gesture to start play, the defender placed the ball with his hand and then kicked it.
 
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The thing is, if Sunderland would have scored that goal against Liverpool, it would never have counted.

If Liverpool would have scored a goal like that against Man Utd, it would never have counted...

It's always the big club who benefits of similar decisions. And i will always find this a ridiculous goal...never mind PGMO statements.

Supanova, you are not objective at all.
At the time (when you laughed at me) i was giving as an example a derby against Everton when the ref had already taken a yellow card out of his pocket and Gerrard had a litle talk with him...he changed opinion a gave a red one. Now maybe you will see my point if in yesterday's match after Gerrard elbow, Darren Bent would have had a litle talk with the ref and if the ref afterwards would have changed his mind and would have shown a red to Gerrard...you would have been fuming with indignation Supanova...especially you.

In Dutch this is called "matennaaierij"...tik will knows this expression and it hasn't a very respectful or positive connotation...

And there are plenty of other example of Gerrard being unfair, yesterday was not his first "reckless" challenge...

But why do i even bother? :COOL::COOL::COOL:
 
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I may not be objective, but the official governing body for referees agree with me. Therefore biased or not i have actual experts on my side.

Your Gerrard/Hibbert example is a bollocks example gerd, simple as that. He did what every other player does every week, he reminded the referee that he was the last man. If it were Simon Davies or George Boateng who had done it you wouldn't be arsed.

Also, the bit about "if it had been Sunderland..." is your opinion, and it's baseless.
 
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There's no such thing as last man though, the letter of the law is to deny an obvious goal scoring incident. I find it a bit funny after all the bleating about last weeks decisions and countless others, that when Liverpool get the decisions that you scream every week seem to go against you, You're all out defending the referee and scrutinising rule books.
 
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Well, he's ultra-biased and one can't really blame him because he's a real fan...(but ocourse whe know he's worong...LOL)
 
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Well I'd have to agree with Gerd when he says had Sunderland scored the same goal yesterday, it probably wouldn't have counted. That is probably true. Especially with the home crowd advantage too which is a factor unfortunately.
 
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PIPA23 said:
Yep, you should be thanking this way in many ocasions...last time the dive by Nani, and as far as i remember Scholes in derby few years ago almost slapped Alonso - knowing what he was doing...

and numerous other things..that make me wonder when United fan talks about referee help :D
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What are you talking about? :?

How did Nani diving benefit us?? We didn't get any penalties etc... and Scholes got sent off for trying to hit Alonso, so.. erm.. what's your point?
 
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northstandhero said:
There's no such thing as last man though, the letter of the law is to deny an obvious goal scoring incident. I find it a bit funny after all the bleating about last weeks decisions and countless others, that when Liverpool get the decisions that you scream every week seem to go against you, You're all out defending the referee and scrutinising rule books.
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when?

when a decision goes against us - and it's the correct decision - i don't moan about it and i don't look for excuses.

My point with his one is that the actual experts and refereeing board agree with me, yet i'm apparently still wrong because some fans don't agree. That's what makes me laugh about this site at times.

As for the last man thing, you know exactly what i mean, yet you're being pedantic for no reason.
 
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PLF said:
Well I'd have to agree with Gerd when he says had Sunderland scored the same goal yesterday, it probably wouldn't have counted. That is probably true. Especially with the home crowd advantage too which is a factor unfortunately.
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Maybe 20 years ago, but right now the home crowd at Anfield are about as loud and intimidating as the home crowd at Bolton.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
What are you talking about? :?

How did Nani diving benefit us?? We didn't get any penalties etc... and Scholes got sent off for trying to hit Alonso, so.. erm.. what's your point?
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my point is that it is ridicilous to point out this referee in Liverpool - Sunderland match, especialy for United supporter, becouse i could say 100 times how a referee helped United much more obviously...
 
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I'm sorry PIPA but that is totally irrelevant to what happened in the Liverpool-Sunderland match. The discussion was about that match and not about Man Utd...that is a very, very weak argument and this is coming from somebody who prefers Liverpool by far to Man Utd...

Liverpool should not play 'victim' when it comes to referees..they, like every big club, are advantaged by referees.
 
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Ok i dont want to argue mate but this things he talks about like Gerrard foul or not foul against Wellback happend 100 times in match and it is up to the referee if he see it..he only pointed this becouse Wellbeck is United player on loan there.. and he noticed...things like this happend many time durring the match and maybe you are right that big teams have advantage many times but what if big team playes big team...who has advantage then? United as i remember playing big teams had many times advantage in Premier league...dont want to talk more about this...

rather remember Shankly, today is 29 years since he died... i can´t remember him myself, becouse i am to young for that, but as Liverpool supporter in Liverpool thread, it is good to remember greatest legend of our club.

YouTube - Bill Shankly - the Legend

R.I.P.
 
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Nice video, how we could do with him now :(

Agger and Gerrard both injured and not in the squad for the match tomorrow.
 
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PIPA23 said:
Ok i dont want to argue mate but this things he talks about like Gerrard foul or not foul against Wellback happend 100 times in match and it is up to the referee if he see it..he only pointed this becouse Wellbeck is United player on loan there.. and he noticed...things like this happend many time durring the match and maybe you are right that big teams have advantage many times but what if big team playes big team...who has advantage then? United as i remember playing big teams had many times advantage in Premier league...dont want to talk more about this...
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Sorry Pipa that's not right, the reason I pointed it out was because you said "thanks to Gerrard for saving us" when really if the referee had acted properly, you might not have got the draw. Dont forget this is the same referee who let Gerrard off last season when he punched Michael Brown, the same ref who has given phantom goals to teams and various other high profile errors. It's purely coincedence that it was Welbeck who Gerrard elbowed (and I think it was deliberate) and Welbeck that should have had a penalty.
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United getting more referee decisions than Liverpool is not relevant to this and I don't think we do anyway, although I do agree with Gerd that 'big' teams occasionally get decisions smaller teams wouldn't. I heard a stat this week that United have been given the least freekicks in the league so far this season. Hardly a trait of a team regularly benefitted by referees.

Anyway, RIP Shankly, a great manager.

My favourite quote by him (when asked by a Liverpool director how he would he like to manage the best club in the country...)

"Why? Is Matt Busby packing it in?"

;) :D

Of course, at that time you were at a paticular low and the rivalry was less intense but it's still a good quote.
 
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there was no rivaly then, you were no match ;) not like today, just joking.. i dont want to sound much anti-united, one of my best friends is die-hard united supporter and it is ok for me to talk with him about football...afterall we have as club much biger problems than rivaly between us and united...

..you got your point but i could give you many gifs as well...remember Bosingwa kick to Benayoun in Chelsea - Liverpool match...with side referee standing one meter looking at this? just one that came to my mind...
 
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But what has that got to do with the Sunderland match? Why can't you just admit that you were benefitted and that Gerrard wasn't the reason you got the draw?

We were near the top of old first division having won it in recent seasons when Shankly took over, whereas you were near the bottom of division two, hence the quote.
 
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If it makes you happy i admit...We were shit after the second sunderland goal..but so was referee maybe whole match, not seeing fouls like that on any side..ours or Sunderlands..and i repeat..things like this happend during whole match, more of them we can not see anyway.. talking about one decision that would chainge the match is not right imo.. and talking about referees helping teams..they do sometimes they do not.. they certainly helped us as much or less as they helped other teams...
 
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That`s UCF assault (elbow to face) :CONFUSE:... Where is the out cry! Wenger would of made headlines . When, Fletcher made a harsh tackle he was made into a war criminal :LOL: You can only assume Gerrard is above the law then. Let me quess No one saw it :LMAO:
 
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Sigh.

Felt sorry for Utrecht, they should've won yet the fans seemed so happy with a point. Mulenga looks a quality player.
 
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DagsJT said:
Sigh.

Felt sorry for Utrecht, they should've won yet the fans seemed so happy with a point. Mulenga looks a quality player.
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That's because in all honesty we're a very average team, a midtable side in a poor league. As lame as it may sound this is one of the best European nights we've had at the Galgenwaard (we won the Dutch cup twice a few years ago so we haven't had many European games all in all).

Myself, I feel sorry for Liverpool. I knew things weren't going too well but judging by what I saw today your team is in deep, deep shit.
 
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That's putting it mildly :LOL:

We're looking more and more like a mid-table team as each game goes on, maybe even worse than that if I'm being honest. There's just nothing to our game whatsoever.
 
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DagsJT said:
That's putting it mildly :LOL:

We're looking more and more like a mid-table team as each game goes on, maybe even worse than that if I'm being honest. There's just nothing to our game whatsoever.
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It's so frustrating.

It's almost as if Roy picks eleven players and then picks their positions out of a hat at random.

Kuyt on the left, Meireles on the right...who the fuck come up with that one?

Honestly, the longer it goes on the more out of his depth Roy is looking.
 
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The thing is, he's claiming he still doesn't know the players and their best positions etc. How long has he been in the Premier League now? I'm sure fans of non-league teams know more about our players than he seems to.
 
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I know.

I think the stories that our transfers were all dealt with by Macia and Purslow are being proven true. He clearly hasn't got a clue about Meireles or Cole and where to play them. It's really amateurish at times.

THe subs thing is really pissing me off now, he seems scared to use more than one sub, even if a game really needs changing, like last night.
 
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