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On Gazzetta and Sportmediaset set they all say that the fixed fee is at around 16 million euros. It would make sense, like you said, or else Juve wouldn't really bother settling him in if he's just going to leave! So it seems like a win-win situation (as ben said in another thread) for Juve!
I have read some months ago that after buying some flops, Juventus changed their football director and that they brought back the one that had gone some years ago after the scandal that took Juventus to the Serie B. As you said, it´s a win or win situation. They offload one of their worst player and that was on a very high contract and he replaced him with a younger italian player, and they only have to pay his contract.
 
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If it all goes through I guess Liverpool will have only lost money on wages as quite a bit of the 20mil was related to performance, wasn't it?
 
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If it all goes through I guess Liverpool will have only lost money on wages as quite a bit of the 20mil was related to performance, wasn't it?
No. At the end of the day, we will pay Roma 20 millions euros for him, installments have nothing to do with bonuses related to performance.
IF he comes back and we win the Premier League or the Champions League with him in the team, then we will owe them plus 3M.
Someone knows if there is any true in the rumours that say that we are also paying half his wages ?
 
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At least in that I agree. No way he is coming back, because he is going to be so good for Juventus that they are going to think that buying him for 15-17M is a bargain.

Mate he will be on year loan...after he finish it, he has still 4 years contract with us...if he performs above standards..then he is back in our team...if not...well who cares..he performed and still is our player..if we dont need him..we could ask way more than 16 milions... he is still our player.

Only those can buy him, who Liverpool FC choose ;)
 
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Mate he will be on year loan...after he finish it, he has still 4 years contract with us...if he performs above standards..then he is back in our team...if not...well who cares..he performed and still is our player..if we dont need him..we could ask way more than 16 milions... he is still our player.

Only those can buy him, who Liverpool FC choose ;)
I would love to be that way, but italians newspapers reported that Liverpool agreed an option to buy the player at 16m. I dont know if it´s true, because on Liverpool ´s statement there is no mention to that, but it makes sense.
 
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it doesn't make sense to have a buy-out clause at all, i very much doubt that it's true.
I think it makes a lot of sense. Juventus must have guaranteed Alberto 1st team football and if he is going to leave next season, there is no reason to do that in a club like Juventus.
 
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I would love to be that way, but italians newspapers reported that Liverpool agreed an option to buy the player at 16m. I dont know if it´s true, because on Liverpool ´s statement there is no mention to that, but it makes sense.

that is ridicilous...why would we loan him then? we might sell him for 16 milions right now dont you think?

anyway..as team that owns this player, we have the first word in any of his future negotiations..

maybe the sume is the line under wich we wont negotiate his future sale..but realy i doubt we would agree on something like this in his loan move...
 
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that is ridicilous...why would we loan him then? we might sell him for 16 milions right now dont you think?

anyway..as team that owns this player, we have the first word in any of his future negotiations..

maybe the sume is the line under wich we wont negotiate his future sale..but realy i doubt we would agree on something like this in his loan move...
No, because Juventus it is not going to pay 16 millions for a man that has started 9 matches in the last season. They have him on loan, if it works out then they buy him 16m as it ´s agreed in the loan. For them, is a win or win scenario as Milanista said. Us, on the contrary, have nothing to win.
 
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i gotta to admit, this conversation is quite hilarious. :D
anyway let us shed some light on the matter, shall we?
aquilani's liverpool carreer is officially over. period.
liverpool has put aquilani on the market. that's the reason why he didn't play last week (no stomach bugs or anything; the club didn't wanna line him up in a europa league fixture, coz that would have made him undeployable by any other club - say, juventus - in europa league for this season).
the only club which showed interest was juve. but marotta (juventus team director) made it very clear that juve wouldn't have bought aquilani unless liverpool would have agreed on sending him on free loan in torino first, for 1 year (to test the player's health conditions for an entire season).
so liverpool agreed with juventus on a 1 season free loan. aquilani's wage will be almost entirely paid by juve, and the agreement contains a buyout clause for 16 millions euros.
if by the end of the season aquilani will have proven himself useful, then juve will just pay those 16 millions and goodbye (liverpool won't have the first word pipa, as that's the point of an option clause; the seller gaves up his right to refuse the offer and lets the buyer decide wheter to buy or not).
otherwise aquilani will be back at liverpool.... but certainly for not more than 1 or 2 months... coz at that point liverpool is just gonna try to sell him again (for much less than 16 millions of course).

the only reason why liverpool hasn't sold alberto already in this transfer window is because right now, alberto has no market at all.... no one would pay, even only those 16 millions. so they hope he'll manage to stay fit for a season, in order to get those 16 millions from juve.

all those info about the aquilani deal come from the same italian journalist who wrote about the juve-aquilani deal 1 week ago (when nobody knew about the deal). everything he wrote turned out to be 100% correct so far, so he clearely had a tip-off from the inside.

and that's concerning the facts of the deal. here are my 2 cents on the whole thing, if u're interested in it.
one case or another, aquilani is not gonna play again for liverpool. the options are not "juve signs him or he's back in liverpool". the options are "juve signs him, or we're gonna have to find another buyer (for even less than 16 millions at that point of course).

he was bought 1 season ago. he was kept on the sidelines by his coach even when he was actually healthy again.....i think u all remember all those times when rafa put aquilani in the game when there were 5, 6 minutes to the final whisthle, don't u? if a player is not healthy, u don't make him play at all... and if he's coming from an injury and u want to slowly "ease him" into the game again, helping him find his form again, then u give him 30, 45 minutes of playtime, not 4, 5 minutes. i really don't know what rafa was trying to prove in those situations, but, although i have huge respect for rafa, that was just ridiculous coaching by him.

now liverpool is desperately trying to offload him, even though everyone knows how stupid it is to sell a player after a single disappointing season, especially if u paid 20 millions for him.... i mean, come on, even juventus isn't selling melo this summer, coz they know felipe has no market and a sale now would be just "bad management"... and we're talking about melo, a player who, unlike aquilani, has played disgracefully for an entire season... a player who has been fit for the entire season, and yet didn't produce a single decent performance in one year of football!!!

so do u think that after being treated like this, alberto is gonna play for liverpool again? he's not. u might say, "hey he has a contract, so if juve doesn't sign him at the end of the season, he's bound to stay with us"...... but the club itself doesn't want him in liverpool.... so as i wrote above, aquilani's carreer at liverpool is officially over.

as i said on this very same thread one year ago, it wasn't a smart move to sign aquilani. not that aquilani is not good enough (the rest of the liverpool team was not good enough to play aquilani's game, if anything), but because he was not the kind of midfielder liverpool needed after xabi's departure.
but if signing him for 20 millions (knowing his injury record) wasn't really a smart move, giving juve a free shot at him, just hoping they'll eventually give u those 16 millions (when liverpool still has to pay the last 5 millions installment to roma), it's just laughable.
that beats juve spending 25 millions for melo, it beats palermo selling kjaer for just 14 millions euros. i'd say that's on par with robbie keane's double transfer and inter's quaresma deal as the stupidest market move in recent years.
 
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i love all this conjecture and embellishment based on a couple of press reports and no actual evidence or reliable sources.
 
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football journalism in italy is something very different from what it is in england and spain. that's the same newspaper which reported juventus was about to get aquilani on loan before the whole thing became public.... the same newspaper which reported IN APRIL that mourinho would have left for madrid, that rafa would have taken his place in milano and that hodgson would have been liverpool's new coach.

anyway it doesn't matter if u don't (wanna) believe that. tomorrow the terms of the deal will probably become public news... and in any case, by the end of the season, u'll see it for yourself.
 
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Have to agree with ben, it also makes complete sense and is very normal with Italian loans. Gourcuff's loan to Bordeaux had a buy-out clause of £16m and Milan regretted putting it... so we publicly tried to bring him back but they made the offer and took him.
 
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Listen lads, if Aquilani doesnt fit into roys plans then we have to respect that, although Liverbird is the chairman of "Aquilani is a god club" i agree with him that aqua did give another dimension to the team when he did play last term, but TBF the bloke never seems 100% fit and ankles can have recurring problems, so i back the club in this instance.
 
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i gotta to admit, this conversation is quite hilarious. :D
anyway let us shed some light on the matter, shall we?
aquilani's liverpool carreer is officially over. period.
liverpool has put aquilani on the market. that's the reason why he didn't play last week (no stomach bugs or anything; the club didn't wanna line him up in a europa league fixture, coz that would have made him undeployable by any other club - say, juventus - in europa league for this season).
the only club which showed interest was juve. but marotta (juventus team director) made it very clear that juve wouldn't have bought aquilani unless liverpool would have agreed on sending him on free loan in torino first, for 1 year (to test the player's health conditions for an entire season).
so liverpool agreed with juventus on a 1 season free loan. aquilani's wage will be almost entirely paid by juve, and the agreement contains a buyout clause for 16 millions euros.
if by the end of the season aquilani will have proven himself useful, then juve will just pay those 16 millions and goodbye (liverpool won't have the first word pipa, as that's the point of an option clause; the seller gaves up his right to refuse the offer and lets the buyer decide wheter to buy or not).
otherwise aquilani will be back at liverpool.... but certainly for not more than 1 or 2 months... coz at that point liverpool is just gonna try to sell him again (for much less than 16 millions of course).

the only reason why liverpool hasn't sold alberto already in this transfer window is because right now, alberto has no market at all.... no one would pay, even only those 16 millions. so they hope he'll manage to stay fit for a season, in order to get those 16 millions from juve.

all those info about the aquilani deal come from the same italian journalist who wrote about the juve-aquilani deal 1 week ago (when nobody knew about the deal). everything he wrote turned out to be 100% correct so far, so he clearely had a tip-off from the inside.

and that's concerning the facts of the deal. here are my 2 cents on the whole thing, if u're interested in it.
one case or another, aquilani is not gonna play again for liverpool. the options are not "juve signs him or he's back in liverpool". the options are "juve signs him, or we're gonna have to find another buyer (for even less than 16 millions at that point of course).

he was bought 1 season ago. he was kept on the sidelines by his coach even when he was actually healthy again.....i think u all remember all those times when rafa put aquilani in the game when there were 5, 6 minutes to the final whisthle, don't u? if a player is not healthy, u don't make him play at all... and if he's coming from an injury and u want to slowly "ease him" into the game again, helping him find his form again, then u give him 30, 45 minutes of playtime, not 4, 5 minutes. i really don't know what rafa was trying to prove in those situations, but, although i have huge respect for rafa, that was just ridiculous coaching by him.

now liverpool is desperately trying to offload him, even though everyone knows how stupid it is to sell a player after a single disappointing season, especially if u paid 20 millions for him.... i mean, come on, even juventus isn't selling melo this summer, coz they know felipe has no market and a sale now would be just "bad management"... and we're talking about melo, a player who, unlike aquilani, has played disgracefully for an entire season... a player who has been fit for the entire season, and yet didn't produce a single decent performance in one year of football!!!

so do u think that after being treated like this, alberto is gonna play for liverpool again? he's not. u might say, "hey he has a contract, so if juve doesn't sign him at the end of the season, he's bound to stay with us"...... but the club itself doesn't want him in liverpool.... so as i wrote above, aquilani's carreer at liverpool is officially over.

as i said on this very same thread one year ago, it wasn't a smart move to sign aquilani. not that aquilani is not good enough (the rest of the liverpool team was not good enough to play aquilani's game, if anything), but because he was not the kind of midfielder liverpool needed after xabi's departure.
but if signing him for 20 millions (knowing his injury record) wasn't really a smart move, giving juve a free shot at him, just hoping they'll eventually give u those 16 millions (when liverpool still has to pay the last 5 millions installment to roma), it's just laughable.
that beats juve spending 25 millions for melo, it beats palermo selling kjaer for just 14 millions euros. i'd say that's on par with robbie keane's double transfer and inter's quaresma deal as the stupidest market move in recent years.
Got to agree. At least he is going to Juventus, which is my Italy club, and not to Roma or Milan or Inter.
All Italy must be laughing at us now. First, we sack Rafa even though Inter was ready to pay us a compensation for him. Then we take, one of the worst player of Juventus, a player that they were heavily looking to offload because he is not good enough for a team of this level and we buy him for 7m and pay the megawages he is on. And after that, we agree to send on LOAN one of the hottest prospects of Italy. And we even gave them the money to pay his wages.
I have to say that the double move for Robbie Keane is nothing against this move. At least we recovered 16m from him and it wasnt even a Rafa's buy.
 
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Yeah, just give the money.

It may be just me, but is anyone else thinking the club/Hodgson (if he has something to say in the matter) are doing "easy" transfers.

They all seem so predictable and lacking in risk/potential. There doesn't seem to be any decent scouting or research going on and the majority are like the media has picked them.

-Aqui's a flop, get rid
-Kuyt isn't rated by most people, sell
-Cole is a media darling, sign
-Poulsen used to be a good DM, sign (might still be.....)
-Aurelio knows the club, sign

Just waiting for Lucas to be shipped out.
 
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hmm dont agree Kuyt isn´t rate...not after last season and ever, he is consistent player - team player since he came.. and i think he will not go to Inter.
 
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hmm dont agree Kuyt isn´t rate...not after last season and ever, he is consistent player - team player since he came.. and i think he will not go to Inter.

He still comes in for widespread criticism, especially among the internet-based LFC support.
 
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football journalism in italy is something very different from what it is in england and spain. that's the same newspaper which reported juventus was about to get aquilani on loan before the whole thing became public.... the same newspaper which reported IN APRIL that mourinho would have left for madrid, that rafa would have taken his place in milano and that hodgson would have been liverpool's new coach.

anyway it doesn't matter if u don't (wanna) believe that. tomorrow the terms of the deal will probably become public news... and in any case, by the end of the season, u'll see it for yourself.

You do realise that those things were also reported as rumours over here at roughly the same time don't you? Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

Would this be the same Italian press which said we'd signed Lavezzi?
 
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internet based ...well that is also me, but i am not criticising him..mostly people who dont understand much of football besides FIFA games are the sort of people who have no clue..
 
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In other news, it's rumoured that Mascherano has REFUSED to play tonight so a test of this speculation will be if the following team starts:

Pepe
GJ - JC - MS - DA
DK - LL - SG - MJ
FT - NG

There is however another team doing the rounds where Ngog doesn't start and Poulsen does.
 
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Ok guys, both of you have laid out your case. Move on shall we?

I want Liverpool to beat City tonight. :D. But if Balotelli scores, I'll be happy for him.
 
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In other news, it's rumoured that Mascherano has REFUSED to play tonight so a test of this speculation will be if the following team starts:

Pepe
GJ - JC - MS - DA
DK - LL - SG - MJ
FT - NG

There is however another team doing the rounds where Ngog doesn't start and Poulsen does.
With Mascherano gone we have not choice but to bring a midfielder.
 
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I would expect a 4-2-3-1 formation with Gerrard behind Torres and either Poulson or Masch in midfield. Can't see such an attacking line-up being played, but then I'm not sure how fit Poulsen is to fill in so maybe they need to.
 
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In other news, it's rumoured that Mascherano has REFUSED to play tonight so a test of this speculation will be if the following team starts:

Pepe
GJ - JC - MS - DA
DK - LL - SG - MJ
FT - NG

There is however another team doing the rounds where Ngog doesn't start and Poulsen does.

I don't think he's refused to play per se, but i don't think he'll be in the squad. If rumours are to be believed - he's already had talks with Barcelona and agreed personal terms but it's now down to the clubs to strike a deal. I think it's strange that the player is allowed to talk to the other club before an agreement is in place between the clubs but that's what i've heard.

edit: just spoke to a mate of mine who is pretty close to a couple of youth/reserve players and he said that Liverpool rejected a bid of around £18-19m yesterday from Barcelona and Mascherano threw a tantrum and said he didn't want to be in the squad.
 
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I think if you swap the £ for Euros then that would be more accurate.

Could take a while to find a compromise.
 
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there's two stories going around now, one is that they bid €20m last night and Liverpool rejected it prompting Mascherano to kick off, the other is that they've bid £12m today plus Hleb and Caceres, the clubs are in talks over the fee and he's been left out as a precaution.

I think the second is more likely to be true.
 
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