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Don't think the siege mentality would work tbh. After all it's there own people that are screwing them. Besides the fact that I don't think he uses those tactics anyway, the players know that they won't be able to compete if one of the better players gets injured the season is pretty much over...
 
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But that's exactly the problem! The player's see themselves as inferior to Gerrard and Torres and that's largely because of Benitez and Gerrard's constant quotes in the media about needing new players if they are to be succesful. This shows a total lack of faith in the squad and puts Gerrard on a pedestal above the rest of the players which is all wrong in terms of team spirit.

On paper you've got perfectly good players, Benayoun, Aquilani, Kuyt, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, most of the defence etc etc who could all play a part in a big club but the 'culture' at the club over the last few years has always been excuses and blame and that's from the manager, down to the fans and to the players.

Rafa should be coming out in the press saying he has confidence and faith in his squad and doing all he can to unite the players and build a strong bond, instilling confidence and team spirit. Instead he says "we can't compete because we don't have as much money as the other clubs", "the owners are making it difficult" etc etc, it's just weak and piss poor squad management.

Regardless, he's had money, he's just not spent it very well. I know his net spend over the last 2 years is not much but he's still spent nearly £100m on players in the past couple of seasons. Mascherano, Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Riera, Dossena, Cavalieri, Kyrgiakos, N'Gog. 2 of those have already left, one is on his way out, one never plays and 2 others have spent a lot of time injured (that's not entirely Rafa's fault). For that amount of money he should really have done better and it's a bit rich complaining he's not had funds to buy players with, tell that to Roy Hodgson,
 
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It is not all about money for buying transfers, it is also money for wages..

besides yes, Rafa spent many over his five years but also we had to sell our players to get the money..

Rafa bought players that were cheap considered their quality..

his big mistake was 20 milion for Keane..

Aquilani will be good imo.. so this money is not spent bad..

i know he is complaining but our managment before with Parry promissed Alves, Simao... and never delivered..
 
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The point is English football is now all about financial clout.

Liverpool under Hicks and Gillette who are 'carpetbaggers' have no interest in providing funds.

Benitez has made mistakes but so have many other managers but there seems to be a witchunt in the English tabloid media to portray him as some sort of incompetent.

He has reached two CL finals, should have won the EPL last season and has set about reforming the club's youth set up which was run down under Houllier and Highway.

Many transfer targets he wanted were rejected on the basis of cost. I know for instance he wanted to sign Aimar two seasons ago to provide a creative midfielder for instance.

Losing Gerrard is not a big problem if you replace him with someone like a Banega. The spine of the team would be there in Reina- Mascherano-Torres.

I cannot think he would leave with the signings he has made recently of Sterling, Shelvey and soon to be Wilson from Glasgow Rangers ie an emphasis on British talent and some of the kids with real promise in the Academy ie Bruna, della Valle, Robinson, Irwin and Kelly.

However it is tough to compete when certain clubs can spend fortunes without any consequences to buy titles.
 
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They're signing all these young British players because of the new Premier League rules for next season, at the moment they don't have enough homegrown players for the quota.
 
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They're signing all these young British players because of the new Premier League rules for next season, at the moment they don't have enough homegrown players for the quota.

This is true Jumbo and a very good point.

However the new director of the youth academy, who formerly headed up the academy at Barcelona said they want the nucleus of all future academy sides to be British, as the side he headed up at Barca was mainly Catalan etc etc.

Speaking of which we were delighted to have the service of Cleverly this season. No little skill and a very hard worker. A real shame about the CL injury.
 
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And now Mascherano is bitching again saying that he wanted to leave and that his wife isnt happy because she doesnt speak english. Every transfer window is going to be the same with him ?
 
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Can you believe his wife hasn't bothered to speak English? No wonder he plays like he's always pissed off! He's probably fed up of doing everything!

I would imagine that he will be the majority of our transfer fund this summer.

As I mentioned in some earlier pages, I don't consider his departure as the end of the world, despite acknowledging how good he is at what he does.
 
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And now Mascherano is bitching again saying that he wanted to leave and that his wife isnt happy because she doesnt speak english. Every transfer window is going to be the same with him ?

This usually happens when the player is away on international duty.

He may have been misquoted so keep your powder dry. The key thing is if Rafa stays most of the 'Spanish' speaking contingent stays.

And while I would like to see Masche become the captain at Liverpool he may be disappointed by the behind the scenes shenanigans.

Unless H&G are removed or sell up Torres will also up sticks. Any transfer monies are likely to be taken by the greedy carpetbaggers. That's all they are.
 
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Can you believe his wife hasn't bothered to speak English? No wonder he plays like he's always pissed off! He's probably fed up of doing everything!

I would imagine that he will be the majority of our transfer fund this summer.

As I mentioned in some earlier pages, I don't consider his departure as the end of the world, despite acknowledging how good he is at what he does.
Totally agree. And now that it seems that Gerrard is going back to MC, maybe we need someone more creative to play with him. As you said, Masche is great at what he does, but Gerrard is also an amazing defender, and also a fast player so selling Mascherano and bringing a player like Defour or Yaya Toure (if we want an exchange), would be a good deal.
 
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Gerrard is not an amazing defender. He's a pretty good tackler but he hasn't got the concentration or positioning, and that's why he isn't suited to playing central midfield.

Capello and Benitez prefer him further forward and/or wide where he's far more useful and less likely to play the opposition in one-on-one with a back pass! ;))
 
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I've watched Mascherano during his time with River Plate and Corinthians and he can pass and carry the ball if required.

He has been seldom required to do so by coaches. He's one of the best DM's in the world so losing him won't be easy to replace and he is approaching his prime.

Torres may well favour a move back to Spain but he may decide to stick around again.

This is the problem with the PL. You have unscrupulous individuals such as H&g and the Glazers ,who have saddled their respective clubs with enormous debt and used them as private banks.

More fool Scudamore for not implementing a code to decide if new and prospective owners are fit for purpose , so to speak.
 
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the thing is with the fit and proper persons test is that it's not subjective at all. They can only judge whether the person has enough money and whether they are capable of doing the job, not what the person is like and what their intentions are.
 
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the thing is with the fit and proper persons test is that it's not subjective at all. They can only judge whether the person has enough money and whether they are capable of doing the job, not what the person is like and what their intentions are.

Well in that case people like these three individuals would have been shown to have insufficient funds and their schemes to raise the relevant money involved creating a lot of personal debt to be repaid by using monies from the club bought.

There also needs to be fan representation on each board to hold owners accountable for their actions and some regulatory body to look out at miscreant owners.

Plus some form of control as Platini suggests limiting expenditure on player wages as a percentage of a club's income to prevent the ridiculous situation seen at Portsmouth.
 
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Gerrard is not an amazing defender. He's a pretty good tackler but he hasn't got the concentration or positioning, and that's why he isn't suited to playing central midfield.

Capello and Benitez prefer him further forward and/or wide where he's far more useful and less likely to play the opposition in one-on-one with a back pass! ;))
I think Gerrard is a better CM than AMC. I feel that he is overrated as an AMC, dont get me wrong, he is very good there (he is very good in all the positions anyway), but for me his best is when he come from behind.
 
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he is very good there (he is very good in all the positions anyway), but for me his best is when he come from behind.

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the thing is with the fit and proper persons test is that it's not subjective at all. They can only judge whether the person has enough money and whether they are capable of doing the job, not what the person is like and what their intentions are.

Yeah but even then it doesn't work.

Look at Porstmouth's owners, none of them had the money yet all passed the test.
 
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Houllier moved him to the right. Benitez moved him nearer the striker with 2 holding midfielders behind. Capello plays him from the left cutting inside and lets Lampard play in the middle (to great success compared to the 2 of them centrally).

All this points to one thing.
 
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