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YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Conisidering Everton haven't even got a point in recent derbies, it is a big day for them.
This calls for a DVD surely. The day Everton made Liverpool drop 2 points.
Nah, well done, you deserved it for our cowardly nervous performance.
If we are going on about sqauad values, shall we comapre the starting lineup values of each 'title challenging' team?
Conisidering Everton haven't even got a point in recent derbies, it is a big day for them.
This calls for a DVD surely. The day Everton made Liverpool drop 2 points.
Nah, well done, you deserved it for our cowardly nervous performance.
If we are going on about sqauad values, shall we comapre the starting lineup values of each 'title challenging' team?
Re: Liverpool Thread
You see that Rafa's rant on Fergie and public contract negotiations "somewhat" affecting the performance. Wondering why Rafa plays something like that when we were in the best possible position to challange for the title.
You see that Rafa's rant on Fergie and public contract negotiations "somewhat" affecting the performance. Wondering why Rafa plays something like that when we were in the best possible position to challange for the title.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread
On the bright side, as Rafa says, it's January and we're joint top (albeit with Utd having a game in hand), level with Utd and only lost one game.
I think we'd have taken this at the start of the season. United lose one game, their game in hand, and we're back to the same footing.
Still a fair way to go in the title race, and it's nice to be involved still
On the bright side, as Rafa says, it's January and we're joint top (albeit with Utd having a game in hand), level with Utd and only lost one game.
I think we'd have taken this at the start of the season. United lose one game, their game in hand, and we're back to the same footing.
Still a fair way to go in the title race, and it's nice to be involved still
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Deserved result for shockingly negative tactics. I knew it was going to happen, straight after the goal is scored Gerrard is looking to keep possesion and after 30sec / 7 or so passes we lose the ball in our own half and they threaten. I mean you can try to run the clock down in injurytime but not from the 70th f$%$ing min!
Can't believe they allowed that to happen, it's so simple aswell! Instead of looking for a forward pass they look back inviting Everton to push up whilst at the same time keeping the defensive line high up the pitch. You're just inviting counter attacks whilst not being dangerous yourself. It's pathetic, it's really pissed me off. And a perfect example that Rafa is great at cups but crap at the league.
Should have gone for the 2nd goal, obviously, but more so as the teams were tiring and we have a better squad/subs bench to make it count!
Tbh Im not even sure in one respect. I mean whats worse, being out of it by October and focussing on the cups.... or being top with a good chance to build a lead only to slowly and limply go out of the race because of negative tactics when you just know the title is up for grabs.
Look at it another way, its either a hot girl dismissing you in the bar or a very hot girl coming back to your place, getting undressed, bending over........and then walking out again because she decides that maybe it's not the best thing to do and she should be more f@#king cautious!.
Deserved result for shockingly negative tactics. I knew it was going to happen, straight after the goal is scored Gerrard is looking to keep possesion and after 30sec / 7 or so passes we lose the ball in our own half and they threaten. I mean you can try to run the clock down in injurytime but not from the 70th f$%$ing min!
Can't believe they allowed that to happen, it's so simple aswell! Instead of looking for a forward pass they look back inviting Everton to push up whilst at the same time keeping the defensive line high up the pitch. You're just inviting counter attacks whilst not being dangerous yourself. It's pathetic, it's really pissed me off. And a perfect example that Rafa is great at cups but crap at the league.
Should have gone for the 2nd goal, obviously, but more so as the teams were tiring and we have a better squad/subs bench to make it count!
Tbh Im not even sure in one respect. I mean whats worse, being out of it by October and focussing on the cups.... or being top with a good chance to build a lead only to slowly and limply go out of the race because of negative tactics when you just know the title is up for grabs.
Look at it another way, its either a hot girl dismissing you in the bar or a very hot girl coming back to your place, getting undressed, bending over........and then walking out again because she decides that maybe it's not the best thing to do and she should be more f@#king cautious!.
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Jumbo_
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Jeezzzz, there are still 16 rounds of the prem left to go, you're joint top and dropped points in your tough local derby. Hardly the end of the world!
Given United's injury problems, (plus season w/o Hargreaves and Wes Brown) I think it rather likely they'll start dropping points too. Everton is their next match (I think) and a draw at OT would balance things out.
Reactions are so erm, reactionary
It's going to be a tight race. Though does anyone else feel like it's because all the top teams are crap, rather than them showing championship form? I mean just look at Barca. Now that's form.
Jeezzzz, there are still 16 rounds of the prem left to go, you're joint top and dropped points in your tough local derby. Hardly the end of the world!
Given United's injury problems, (plus season w/o Hargreaves and Wes Brown) I think it rather likely they'll start dropping points too. Everton is their next match (I think) and a draw at OT would balance things out.
Reactions are so erm, reactionary
It's going to be a tight race. Though does anyone else feel like it's because all the top teams are crap, rather than them showing championship form? I mean just look at Barca. Now that's form.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread
The way Tik looks at things is frightening sometimes Although I'd rather the girl came back to my place and got undressed because that's better than nothing at all, at least you know you were good enough to get her back to your place 
I agree Ryan, I don't think any team has shown championship form this season, it is a case of all the big teams dropping points.
Although I was thinking the other day that I believe the Prem is getting more balanced and stronger in general. Just looking at the league table, all of the teams are pretty close in terms of points and these days it really is a case of any team can beat another in the league now.
The way Tik looks at things is frightening sometimes
Although I'd rather the girl came back to my place and got undressed because that's better than nothing at all, at least you know you were good enough to get her back to your place I agree Ryan, I don't think any team has shown championship form this season, it is a case of all the big teams dropping points.
Although I was thinking the other day that I believe the Prem is getting more balanced and stronger in general. Just looking at the league table, all of the teams are pretty close in terms of points and these days it really is a case of any team can beat another in the league now.
Jumbo_
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Yeah this season is the closest from top to bottom we've had for a long time. I mean the bottom 5 teams all have the same amount of points, there's only 5 points between 10th and 20th and there's 26 points between top and bottom. Compare that to Italy where it's 30 points and Spain where it's 37 and you can see our league is very tight.
None of the 'top 4' have been playing paticularly well and even Villa who have gatecrashed the monopoly are only just scraping results out so I'd have to agree it's far from over.
It's quite funny watching the Pool fans flipping out all the time though because for once you've got a genuine chance of winning the league and it looks like the only thing stopping you is yourselves!
The worrying thing for you as well is that you seem to be dropping points against the teams you should be beating, especially at home and doing well against teams you normally struggle against. United have lost to you and Arsenal and drawn with Tottenham, Villa, Everton, Chelsea and Newcastle whereas you've only lost to Totteham but you've drawn against Stoke twice, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, Arsenal, Hull and Villa but you've beaten United and Chelsea.
Roll on 14th March!! (is it really a saturday 3pm kick off!?!)
Yeah this season is the closest from top to bottom we've had for a long time. I mean the bottom 5 teams all have the same amount of points, there's only 5 points between 10th and 20th and there's 26 points between top and bottom. Compare that to Italy where it's 30 points and Spain where it's 37 and you can see our league is very tight.
None of the 'top 4' have been playing paticularly well and even Villa who have gatecrashed the monopoly are only just scraping results out so I'd have to agree it's far from over.
It's quite funny watching the Pool fans flipping out all the time though because for once you've got a genuine chance of winning the league and it looks like the only thing stopping you is yourselves!
The worrying thing for you as well is that you seem to be dropping points against the teams you should be beating, especially at home and doing well against teams you normally struggle against. United have lost to you and Arsenal and drawn with Tottenham, Villa, Everton, Chelsea and Newcastle whereas you've only lost to Totteham but you've drawn against Stoke twice, Everton, West Ham, Fulham, Arsenal, Hull and Villa but you've beaten United and Chelsea.
Roll on 14th March!! (is it really a saturday 3pm kick off!?!)
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DagsJT
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It's been the case for years that we always struggle against the teams we really should beat, even before Rafa was here
It's been the case for years that we always struggle against the teams we really should beat, even before Rafa was here
Jumbo_
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I thought you'd done much better this season against us, Chelsea and Arsenal?? I know you lost both to us and drew a couple with the other two but can't remember the other results.
This season has been such a low scoring one though. Must be a record for 0-0 draws there's been bloody loads.
I thought you'd done much better this season against us, Chelsea and Arsenal?? I know you lost both to us and drew a couple with the other two but can't remember the other results.
This season has been such a low scoring one though. Must be a record for 0-0 draws there's been bloody loads.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Liverpool Thread
Great result for Everton...look at all the injuries and the suspensions...
It's only a matter of time before it becomes a mathematic certainty now: Man Utd will be champions...Liverpool will choke now, Chelsea simply aren't good enough, Arsenal are vulnerable and Villa's squad is too small (yes i think with a bigger squad Villa would be contenders this year).
I also think Everton might be a treath for Arsenal...they had a bad start of the season, but are quite impressive now...
Great result for Everton...look at all the injuries and the suspensions...
It's only a matter of time before it becomes a mathematic certainty now: Man Utd will be champions...Liverpool will choke now, Chelsea simply aren't good enough, Arsenal are vulnerable and Villa's squad is too small (yes i think with a bigger squad Villa would be contenders this year).
I also think Everton might be a treath for Arsenal...they had a bad start of the season, but are quite impressive now...
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread
THE good news for Liverpool – they’re still level on points with the Premier League leaders.
The bad news? In terms of the title race that’s about the only similarity between those two teams at the moment.
Manchester United lead the way on goal difference, not due to the awesome attacking power that has underpinned most of their surges to the top of the table, but thanks to a non-negotiable refusal to concede goals.
They’re on a run of 10 clean sheets in the Premier League. Over at Anfield, Liverpool are leaving Tim Cahill unmarked three yards from goal on a free-kick.
But it’s not just about the small moments that change the course of a game or perhaps a season in the blink of an eye. Anyone can be caught out on a set-piece and there isn’t a manager in the world who has devised the masterplan that can prevent Cahill causing catastrophe in his six-yard box.
It’s not about the snapshots, it’s about the bigger picture when titles are there to be won. And Liverpool are in real danger of being blurred out of it.
And it will be as a result of them doing something derby rivals Everton could never be accused of – failing to make the most of a situation.
David Moyes was hit by the absence of the suspended Marouane Fellaini but it probably worked in his favour in the end. It was his own team-mate Phil Jagielka who conceded that the Belgian ‘isn’t the type of player to go four or five games without picking up a yellow card’. In the Merseyside derby, make that four or five minutes.
Far too perilous for a player whose tackles are as dodgy as his barnet, and sometimes almost as high. Better Moyes be without him and still have 11 out there on the battlefield than leave his troops outnumbered.
It was fragmented, frantic and the foul count ensured that Fellaini really was there in spirit. Just the way Everton like it and just the right setting for them to continue their impressive stride into the top six.
All of which left Rafael Benitez having to hang on to the inescapable fact that his team are “still in a very good position.” And he deserves every credit for that.
But it’s not as good a position as they should be in when you take into account the dropped points that are so galling for a side that has still only lost one game.
And as a result, they are now not even in as good a position as they were on Saturday morning.
Which is worrying, because at this stage of the season when the pressure really starts to crank up, it’s all about looking like champions, carrying that invincible aura.
A bit like United are doing, certainly in defence, as they stalk out a third successive title win. For Benitez’s side, even winning three games in a row seems beyond them.
Does anyone honestly believe that if they, as United had last week, been given three games in seven days which they had to take maximum points from to capitalise on the leaders’ inactivity and go top of the table, they would have done it?
A five-game winning run which started with the last Merseyside derby at Goodison is the best they have been on so far. Hardly ominous.
It’s no wonder that last night was, by his own admission, the biggest derby of Benitez’s career.
This is an obvious statement of course, simply because in terms of where they fall in the calendar they’re usually either too early to be definitive or too late to mean anything in terms of Liverpool challenging for the title.
Not so last night. It was a must-win, a do-or-die, a cup final. And there’s 16 more of them to come.
This is the real test of what a team has to be if they are serious championship challengers. Not blowing away the opposition with four or five-goal hammerings – which is just as well given that Liverpool would fail miserably on that count.
Now it’s just about winning. No matter how laborious the start, no matter how scrappy the game, or difficult the opposition. Just find a way of getting the three points. Just like Manchester United and Chelsea did on a Saturday afternoon that would have had Liverpool cowering behind the sofa. They will have winced as Chelsea fought back to revive their season against Stoke before celebrating as if last May had all been a bad dream and John Terry’s penalty did go in to give them the Champions League victory after all.
They will have watched through their fingers as Dimitar Berbatov stooped, rather like Cahill, to nod home a winner at Bolton to finally oust Liverpool from the summit.
Sparking celebrations not unlike those of Steven Gerrard last night as he wheeled away in sheer delight after finding the breakthrough that has proved so fatally elusive on so many occasions already this campaign.
But the real reason for such outpourings of delight at Stamford Bridge and the Reebok was because they know this Premier League is there for the taking and every three points picked up along the way is so precious.
And Liverpool’s late capitulation last night only confirms that belief.
THE good news for Liverpool – they’re still level on points with the Premier League leaders.
The bad news? In terms of the title race that’s about the only similarity between those two teams at the moment.
Manchester United lead the way on goal difference, not due to the awesome attacking power that has underpinned most of their surges to the top of the table, but thanks to a non-negotiable refusal to concede goals.
They’re on a run of 10 clean sheets in the Premier League. Over at Anfield, Liverpool are leaving Tim Cahill unmarked three yards from goal on a free-kick.
But it’s not just about the small moments that change the course of a game or perhaps a season in the blink of an eye. Anyone can be caught out on a set-piece and there isn’t a manager in the world who has devised the masterplan that can prevent Cahill causing catastrophe in his six-yard box.
It’s not about the snapshots, it’s about the bigger picture when titles are there to be won. And Liverpool are in real danger of being blurred out of it.
And it will be as a result of them doing something derby rivals Everton could never be accused of – failing to make the most of a situation.
David Moyes was hit by the absence of the suspended Marouane Fellaini but it probably worked in his favour in the end. It was his own team-mate Phil Jagielka who conceded that the Belgian ‘isn’t the type of player to go four or five games without picking up a yellow card’. In the Merseyside derby, make that four or five minutes.
Far too perilous for a player whose tackles are as dodgy as his barnet, and sometimes almost as high. Better Moyes be without him and still have 11 out there on the battlefield than leave his troops outnumbered.
It was fragmented, frantic and the foul count ensured that Fellaini really was there in spirit. Just the way Everton like it and just the right setting for them to continue their impressive stride into the top six.
All of which left Rafael Benitez having to hang on to the inescapable fact that his team are “still in a very good position.” And he deserves every credit for that.
But it’s not as good a position as they should be in when you take into account the dropped points that are so galling for a side that has still only lost one game.
And as a result, they are now not even in as good a position as they were on Saturday morning.
Which is worrying, because at this stage of the season when the pressure really starts to crank up, it’s all about looking like champions, carrying that invincible aura.
A bit like United are doing, certainly in defence, as they stalk out a third successive title win. For Benitez’s side, even winning three games in a row seems beyond them.
Does anyone honestly believe that if they, as United had last week, been given three games in seven days which they had to take maximum points from to capitalise on the leaders’ inactivity and go top of the table, they would have done it?
A five-game winning run which started with the last Merseyside derby at Goodison is the best they have been on so far. Hardly ominous.
It’s no wonder that last night was, by his own admission, the biggest derby of Benitez’s career.
This is an obvious statement of course, simply because in terms of where they fall in the calendar they’re usually either too early to be definitive or too late to mean anything in terms of Liverpool challenging for the title.
Not so last night. It was a must-win, a do-or-die, a cup final. And there’s 16 more of them to come.
This is the real test of what a team has to be if they are serious championship challengers. Not blowing away the opposition with four or five-goal hammerings – which is just as well given that Liverpool would fail miserably on that count.
Now it’s just about winning. No matter how laborious the start, no matter how scrappy the game, or difficult the opposition. Just find a way of getting the three points. Just like Manchester United and Chelsea did on a Saturday afternoon that would have had Liverpool cowering behind the sofa. They will have winced as Chelsea fought back to revive their season against Stoke before celebrating as if last May had all been a bad dream and John Terry’s penalty did go in to give them the Champions League victory after all.
They will have watched through their fingers as Dimitar Berbatov stooped, rather like Cahill, to nod home a winner at Bolton to finally oust Liverpool from the summit.
Sparking celebrations not unlike those of Steven Gerrard last night as he wheeled away in sheer delight after finding the breakthrough that has proved so fatally elusive on so many occasions already this campaign.
But the real reason for such outpourings of delight at Stamford Bridge and the Reebok was because they know this Premier League is there for the taking and every three points picked up along the way is so precious.
And Liverpool’s late capitulation last night only confirms that belief.
Re: Liverpool Thread
Stupid, stupid way to lose the lead. Should have won the game, had it not been for a stupid challenge by Yossi.
Pretty confident of going out there, and beating Chelsea. We needed a break now, and we need a good run now. Beating Chelsea would be perfect.
Stupid, stupid way to lose the lead. Should have won the game, had it not been for a stupid challenge by Yossi.
Pretty confident of going out there, and beating Chelsea. We needed a break now, and we need a good run now. Beating Chelsea would be perfect.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Re: Liverpool Thread
Well you can go ahead and beat Chelsea, but you've gotta then beat us at Old Trafford, and you know that isn't going to happen.
Well you can go ahead and beat Chelsea, but you've gotta then beat us at Old Trafford, and you know that isn't going to happen.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Liverpool Thread
You'll beat Chelsea if you go for it but again I can see a draw with Rafa being cautious.
You'll beat Chelsea if you go for it but again I can see a draw with Rafa being cautious.
Re: Liverpool Thread
Disappointing result, but not the end of the world. I do agree with the 'Rafa too cautious' sentiment. I even balked at Keane's substitution; why replace a striker with a midfielder when you need a goal?
When Torres came off, I'd already decided the game would end in a draw.
Is what I said before the Stamford Bridge game...
Disappointing result, but not the end of the world. I do agree with the 'Rafa too cautious' sentiment. I even balked at Keane's substitution; why replace a striker with a midfielder when you need a goal?
When Torres came off, I'd already decided the game would end in a draw.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
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Re: Liverpool Thread
Chelsea hadn't lost at Stamford Bridge in what, 4 years?
We beat them.
We'll beat Chelsea in two weeks time, and then United at Old Trafford.
Chelsea hadn't lost at Stamford Bridge in what, 4 years?
We beat them.
We'll beat Chelsea in two weeks time, and then United at Old Trafford.
Re: Liverpool Thread
wake up boys. Still plenty of time.
United have the experience of being under this pressure for years now, their squad IS better, end of story, they Have more spending power, end of story, and at the moment they just arent conceeding goals and they do what they need to do to get points.
We need to get to that stage, and we will, but we are still a work in progress. How long did it take Fergie to get United into winning ways? More than 4 years.
wake up boys. Still plenty of time.
United have the experience of being under this pressure for years now, their squad IS better, end of story, they Have more spending power, end of story, and at the moment they just arent conceeding goals and they do what they need to do to get points.
We need to get to that stage, and we will, but we are still a work in progress. How long did it take Fergie to get United into winning ways? More than 4 years.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Liverpool Thread
How longs it took Rafa so far?
How longs it took Rafa so far?
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Liverpool Thread
You do realize that if we lose, I won't be here for a long, long time?
*saves quote in a notepad*
You do realize that if we lose, I won't be here for a long, long time?
Re: Liverpool Thread
It was 1-0 when the sub was made so it technically can't be 0-1 to MU .. lol nah just messing with you!
Then I'll be seeing you Abh, nice to know you. I'll jumping over the london bridge if we were to beat both at their own grown.
It was 1-0 when the sub was made so it technically can't be 0-1 to MU .. lol nah just messing with you!
Then I'll be seeing you Abh, nice to know you. I'll jumping over the london bridge if we were to beat both at their own grown.
Re: Liverpool Thread
We play Chelsea at Anfield. If you've forgotten, we were the first team to beat them at their ground in nearly 4 years in the league.
We play Chelsea at Anfield. If you've forgotten, we were the first team to beat them at their ground in nearly 4 years in the league.
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Think that's what he means.. you won't do both and if you do then he'll jump!
Think that's what he means.. you won't do both and if you do then he'll jump!
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