Juventus Thread

i agree with u about didì, mate :(

talking about pazzini, u're right. his play isn't toni's play. they're very different, but also fiorentina gameplay changed a lot last year.... let me explain. i realized fiorentina was going to sell luca, when i noticed fiorentina changed their gamplay, last year. until 2 years ago the whole team used "to play for luca"... long crosses, jorgensen's cuts inside... every move of prandelli was thought to help luca to unleash his strenght. last year, with mutu, fiorentina became a new team... they started playing FOOTBALL, luca became just one piece (a great piece) of a big puzzle. Pazzini perfectly fits fiorentina gameplay now.... imo is even better than luca for fiorentina football nowadays. (coz his ability in the box perfectly fits mutu's assisting ability "out of the box").
of course without toni they will loose a lot talking about centimeters and headings.... but how many goals luca scored by headings this season? almost 1\2 of the previous year.
A tare could be useful..... but if they put tare in somebody has to go out.... mutu??? pazzini??? it's important to have a tall striker (it's very important), but when u have pazzini and mutu... u have to line up pazzini and mutu....... (unless u have toni too :mrgreen: ).
diego della valle spent a lot of money on pazzini 3 years ago...(that bastard...... he was "almost" a palermo player those days!:-x ). Now they have to justify that decision by putting him in the starting 11 imo.... and pazzini too has to justify his choice by playing....
here in italy we've got plenty of young talented strikers (not as good as pazzo, btw) who don't play.... thay just warm the bench coz of their coaches weakness (just consider what bianchi did this season, when he finally got the chance to show his real potential)... thank God Prandelli is not weak.. he told that pazzo is a perfect mixture of power, quality, and ability in the box, and he will become one of the best european strikers...... and honestly i feel the same.

EDIT: of course i do know that having a tall striker is not just about scoring a couple of goals by heading per year.... it means having the possibility to let "breathe" the midfield, avoiding the midfielders being under pressure for too much, it means having the possibility to reach the box with long passes, when the game it's almost over and the players are too tired to play with the ball on the ground.
i know it's really hard to play without a tall striker (here in italy we call those kind of fwds "torri", wich means "towers"), but if u already have a "pazzini" in your team, then "the game is worth the candle" ;)


u're absolutely right about amauri, mate. he's great, but he's not unique. there are others strikers in europe (not so many btw imo ;) ) good as him...... but would they come to palermo? :roll: i mean, we were lucky with amauri too. our (great) general manager Rino Foschi was sure he was going to become a crack.. but a lot of clubs already noticed him (barca and fiorentina most of all). but they weren't so confident in his potential, and that's the reason why we could get him.... if he would have done at chievo what he did last year in palermo, i'm pretty sure amauri would be a barca or fiorentina player today.
so, even if he's replaceble..... he still remains a very big factor for us.... coz his "replacement" would be unreachable for palermo.

I would be a LOT sadder to see someone like Barzagli or Fabio Simplicio leave because for me, they're a lot less replacable.
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true... those guys are really something special. Suddenly barzagli will leave... he's just too good to stay in palermo, he deserve the best scenario europe can offer, he deserve to play in champions league.
But at least Fabio will stay with us \\:o/ \\:o/ \\:o/

sorry juve fans for this big off topic :roll: :)
 
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juveboy said:
Don't do it again Zio ;-)
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:mrgreen: ;)

gettin back on topic...
heard some rumours about iaquinta.... what do u guys think about it?
honestly i don't know if that's a good move. i hope juve isn't thinking to replace david with vincenzo, as they're 2 very different players... iaquinta is very good, but he can't do trezegol's job.... and having already del piero and palladino in your team.... i'm not so sure juve really needs iaquinta...
 
Iaquinta is good as 3rd or 4th striker. Reliable and Versatile. But like you say, he should not be Trezeguet's replacement. That should be Amauri ;).
 
actually i didn't mean to say iaquinta could be a good 3rd or 4th pick. i love iaquinta, maybe he's not a world class striker but still he's great.
i just meant to say that his role, is position on the pitch and his abilities are different from trezegol's one. it could be nice to see him playing beside or behind trezegol, coz that's his position on the pitch... but u already have del piero and palladino, so in that position u should be already ok.


...That should be Amauri.
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naah, he's not good enough for juve Don. i don't think he would be a good buy....


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lo zio said:
actually i didn't mean to say iaquinta could be a good 3rd or 4th pick. i love iaquinta, maybe he's not a world class striker but still he's great.
i just meant to say that his role, is position on the pitch and his abilities are different from trezegol's one. it could be nice to see him playing beside or behind trezegol, coz that's his position on the pitch... but u already have del piero and palladino, so in that position u should be already ok.
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That's what makes him a good 3rd pick to me. He can cover both DP's role and Trezeguet's(or whoever replaces him) role. I don't consider him to have the same quality as the former two though, in either role, hence 3rd pick.

Seems Palladino's immediate future at juve could be in the balance. With Ranieri wanting to have Miccoli in the squad for next season.


lo zio said:
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naah, he's not good enough for juve Don. i don't think he would be a good buy....


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got it. then u're right, he might be a nice 3rd pick ;)

didn't know about ranieri wanting miccoli back. then i hope palladino will end at napoli on loan. players like him deserve a place in a serie a club starting formation, and napoli would be perfect... palladino-calaiò... wow!

but what about the central midfielder spot? till a couple of weeks ago i heard somthing about frings... but nobody is talking about it anymore.... why?... i mean if there's a player juve MUST buy, that player is a central midfielder.

EDIT: right now i'm reading juve sold balzaretti to fiorentina!!!! :shock:

WHY?????????!!!!!!????
 
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Ranieri said this,regarding Miccoli, today:

"Ranieri poi sposta l'attenzione su Fabrizio Miccoli, che nelle ultime due stagioni ha militato nel Benfica, ma il cui cartellino e' di proprieta' della Juve. "Miccoli e' un attaccante che ci piace", ha spiegato Ranieri. "Il tempo passato in Portogallo lo ha aiutato nel periodo in cui la Juventus non aveva bisogno di lui. Adesso conto su Miccoli per la prossima stagione, e' un grande giocatore".

The central midfielder spot? Well Frings was close, but he decided to remain with Bremen and renewed his contract with them. Almiron is very close, could be confirmed in the coming days(but who knows..). Sissoko was close, according to the media, but nothing came of it. Ditto Mavuba. But yes, the midfielder position is one of the priorities. Having said that, I personally wouldn't mind seeing Marchisio as a starter..

Edit: Regarding Balzaretti... Good question.. I figure the board will rely on Chiellini and Molinaro to be better than Balza. And who knows, maybe it was done so that Fiorentina will not pursue Barzagli anymore.
 
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i see, so that's why they didn't talk anymore about frings.... too bad :(

i already knew about almiron, who is good enough for juve, but still u need 1 central midfielder more (maybe a lil more experienced than almiron)
mavuba would be a great buy, not so sure about sissoko. marchisio is very, very talented, one of the most exciting surprises of last year's juve.... but i think he still needs a loan experience to have a "soft welcome" in serie a.
 
I was never a big fan of Frings, so didn't lose any sleep over missing out on him :mrgreen:.

I think Marchisio should be good enough for juve's squad next season. I fear losing him permanently, if he were to be loane., These loan doals often turn for the worst for the player, before dissapearing into the void. Talents like Marchisio should be nurtured.

Having Almiron, Zanetti, Mavuba and Marchisio for the central positions doesn't look bad to me.
 
Doesn't look bad to me either but it is always nice to have one tall central midfielder who can win you aerial battles and headers and ultimately as a result of those won aerial battles, posession in the middle of the field or in attacking/defensive positions when the ball is up in the air. Momo Sissoko and Vieira aren't great headers of the ball but they fit the bill as to what I'm talking about and I'd personally like to have one out of my CM's, something like those two, if I were a manager.

Not a requirement for success though and definitely not as important to have as at least one tall striker. ;)

As for Frings, he's awesome but I'm delighted to hear he's staying at Werder. :D
They're most likely gonna lose Klose and last thing I'd want to see is for them to become even weaker by losing another key player. Not to mention if he was to move, Bundesliga would have one less world-class player which isn't what I want to see since I'll be following both Serie A AND Bundesliga and therefore wish both the very best in the future and want both to be exciting but not at expense of each other. ;)

@lo zio, I'll get back to your reply on the Serie A thread later I guess. Because I don't want to make my old friend 'juveboy' mad for going off-topic. :p ;)
 
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Gabby Milito seems to be close now too, I'm feeling very positive atm, I think we are moving in the right direction & the aquisitions we have currently made will help us immensely for the following season.In regards to Trezeguet,his gesture towards the president was child like & I amougst other Juventini did not appreciate that, he should have just gone quietly, let me give u a comparison here.Del Piero under Capello was subbed nearly every game but our beloved captain never spit his dummy!!! granted I thank Trez for staying and getting us back into Serie A, and for his goals but I dont think we will miss him as much as we may think we will if we sign someone like Huntlaar from Ajax.
 
Yes, in that case, you probably won't miss him as much but it's also gonna be a lot more expensive to bring in a forward (one of the most sought after in the world forwards in fact) to your club and one that his current club doesn't want to sell, so you have to even pay over the real market value than to keep your already great striker by offering the contract he doesn't think is a joke.

Just like lo zio said. Keeping Trez will be a lot cheaper than buying someone like KJH. Plus, KJH will have to adapt to a new team and league which can take quite a while for some players and never fully happen for others where as Trez would have to do none of that and probably feels more at home in Turin and Serie A than France even!

But of course, what he did was stupid and unprofessional and he should pay for it.

p.s. If Gabi Milito news is true and really close to being done for Juve, then congratulations. :applause:

But I've heard he's also in talks with several other big clubs, so I'm not too convinced myself until I see him holding a Juve jersey. But when that does happen (if it does), all you guys can break open a champagne. ;)
 
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Yes, in that case, you probably won't miss him as much but it's also gonna be a lot more expensive to bring in a forward (one of the most sought after in the world forwards in fact) to your club and one that his current club doesn't want to sell, so you have to even pay over the real market value than to keep your already great striker by offering the contract he doesn't think is a joke.
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exactly ;)
moreover trez value nowadays is even lower coz his contract will expire in 1 year. so juve will earn almost nothing by selling david and will "overpay" klaas (coz i guess a lot of clubs will fight for huntelaar this summer).

i agree his attitude wasn't polite or fair.... but let's put things in perspective... he gave one year of his professional carreer to juventus (as juveboy correctly remarked). also del piero and buffon did it..... but david isn't italian (i have a "religious" respect for alex, but i don't think he would have accepted to play one year in ligue 2 ;) ).
moreover david always felt like he was a lil underestimated by juve (i guess u all remember how much he had to "fight" to have the same wage of del piero..:roll: ).

so let's give him the credit he deserve.... and the contract he's waiting for :mrgreen:
afterall, he's still 30 years old... he still has a lot to offer to juve and to serie a.

next year juve will have a lot of young guys; palladino, paro, chiellini, maybe marchisio too.... having an experienced player like david could be really useful.

not to mention that he already knows very well serie a and italian football, as PLF said ;) , wich is very important (especially when u have a lot of "young guns" in your team ;) )

about milito... if juve will really sign him, then i'll break open a nero d'avola (don't like champagne so much :mrgreen: ).... coz this would mean having barzagli in palermo for 1 year more \\:o/
 
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Iaquinta is good as 3rd or 4th striker. Reliable and Versatile. But like you say, he should not be Trezeguet's replacement. That should be Amauri ;).
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i dont think zamparini wud release amauri despite his threats of selling his entire team. and besides if anyone is to replace trez is either huntelaar who i know u rate as not ready dom, but my other preference is quagliagol :)
 
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Gabby Milito seems to be close now too, I'm feeling very positive atm, I think we are moving in the right direction & the aquisitions we have currently made will help us immensely for the following season.In regards to Trezeguet,his gesture towards the president was child like & I amougst other Juventini did not appreciate that, he should have just gone quietly, let me give u a comparison here.Del Piero under Capello was subbed nearly every game but our beloved captain never spit his dummy!!! granted I thank Trez for staying and getting us back into Serie A, and for his goals but I dont think we will miss him as much as we may think we will if we sign someone like Huntlaar from Ajax.
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sorry bro but i feel trez' frustration i mean forced to stay in serie B and to be offered a new contract with a wage deduction is beyond insulting for a player who i consider is the best in the box i probably wud of done the same to be honest, and at least he declared that his fans - being us juventini are his allies. Moggi and the old board wud never of allowed trez to leave this easily and im sad to see him go, and i fear we will let him go for far less than the 12 mill i rate him to be
 
p.s. If Gabi Milito news is true and really close to being done for Juve, then congratulations. :applause:


Watch this space :)
 
juveboy said:
p.s. If Gabi Milito news is true and really close to being done for Juve, then congratulations. :applause:


Watch this space :)
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he isnt all we should be celebrating, almiron too, but best of all roumer has it we are going for lucho gonzalez after ranieri has admitted that sissoko is not good enough, if that wasnt enough, van der vaart has been mentioned as part of juve's plans
 
well ranieri came to his senses about sissoko and realised that hes not good enough for juve, hence why he wants lucho eho he sees as the perfect midfielder for juve. p.s the german newspaper the Bild claims we are in advance talks with van der vaart, how reliable that is im not certain, but secco did admit that they wud sign a good attacking mid with good feet, van der vaart? diego? :)
 
It is done thing for Milito...& now the club has turned to Barzagli as probably Miccoli will be involved in a deal with Palermo...Barzagli rejected Fiorentina as he wants to play for Juve next season...:-)

Boumsong could be sold to Turkey...

About strikers, everything depends on Trezguet's sale to Valencia?

We will go for Huntelaar or if we cant get him Rolando Bianchi will come...both are really good solutions imo

About Quagliarella, in fact Juve havenegotiated for him but it is obsurd to pay such money for an unproven player...
Almiron would arrive but problem is that Empoli wants Paro at all costs and Ranieri already stated that Paro is regular in his views...

So, only we cant replace Nedved as Van der Vaart was ideal move but I dont think we can get him...

If we sell Camoranesi to Inter I think Cruz could be part of the deal :-(...so we will spare some money and easily win title next season :-)

Oh I almost forget that Criscito can play at the left midfield so

Buffon
Grygera, Barzagli, Milito, Chiellini
Marchionni (Salihamidzic), Paro (Almiron), Nedved (Criscito )
Del Piero ( Palladino ), Huntelaar ( Bianchi, Cruz )

already look better than bunch of losers known as Inter Merda

Race with Milan, I think...and we would be helped by their schedule in Champions League...

We agree that our defence is already best in Europe ?

It takes time...to count 29 titles

Forza Juve
 
Lucho would be an amazing signing.

World-class player, extremely well rounded and just one heck of a player who still has many good years left in him and is still not even at his peak in my opinion. He can get a bit better.

But, it'd require a heck of a lot of $$$ to take him away from Porto.

Not only is he their true star, but also captain and especially after sale of Anderson and having bagged a lot of money from that, they're by no means desparate to get rid of their most important player.

I think a crazy offer would have to come in (over real value which is high enough by itself) from any club that wants him to convince Porto to sell.

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Buffon
Grygera, Barzagli, Milito, Chiellini
Marchionni (Salihamidzic), Paro (Almiron), Nedved (Criscito )
Del Piero ( Palladino ), Huntelaar ( Bianchi, Cruz )

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But at least, Inter has 11 players in its starting line up, not 10. :mrgreen: :p ;)
 
I really doubt Paro is staying. Marchisio has proven to be more talented, while we bring in new central midfielders, with Paro probably being makeweight.
 
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I really doubt Paro is staying. Marchisio has proven to be more talented, while we bring in new central midfielders, with Paro probably being makeweight.
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ranieri too is a fan of paro perhaps thats why this almiron deal hasnt concluded yet. is there anyone ranieri doesnt like? i bet even on a social scale he has no enemies
 
Juve to tour england

As i had expected since i knew juve were gona play newcastle in pre season as part of the mr boumbastic deal juve will tour england, its strongly roumered that not only will they face newcastle but middlesboro and west ham are lined up.

if its the case im off to upton park next month :D
 
Some good voices regarding calciomercato :)

Today Almiron will be signed...Barzagli is close and also Van der Vaart could become our player in next few days...

Still there are some rumours about Trezeguet...

It looks like he will stay:shock:

In case he leaves, we could offer Camoranesi for Cruz:( ...I think it would be best move as Cruz is better player than Adriano and Crespo and Zingaro Zlatan together:lol:


Maybe Mensa FC can make another Cannavaro - Carrini move...

I suggest to all juventini here to end our posts with our ideal XI for next season, just to make the rats nervous about losing everything Telecom gave them in last year...

BUFFON
GRYGERA, BARZAGLI, GABI MILITO, CHIELLINI
MARCHIONNI, ALMIRON, PARO, VAN DER VAART
DEL PIERO, HUNTELAAR

With Pavel,Criscito, Marchisio, Salihamidzic,Nocerino,Iaquinta etc. as cover, title race will be solved in January...

Nothing new really...



Man, cant wait to humiliate them at the Meazza...again:lmao:

It is always nice to hear silence at Curva Nord when Ale scores:8):

NON VINCETE MAI

It takes time...to count 29 titles
 
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