Is FC25 better than PES 21?

[Barry Smith]

I think I was having a mad moment when I started this forum. I have since gone back to PES 21 and glad I did. All of the great mods mean it’s still the best footy game around. I am worried that it may be the last great football game and we will all still be on this forum and downloading mods for pes 21 in twenty years………..

 

[Hels The Ronin]

"cooking up that pass that breaks several lanes of pressure, is cooking up the combination waiting for your players to place in the correct position, temporizing the game, knowing when to stop and when to fasten up"

Hels I agree with this so much. What mod do you think does the best job to simulate this in a game ? So far I haven't found any

Problem is enemy AI and the absence in PES of analogic sprint (different acceleration intensities for sprinting). You can change the starting position of the AI players (both yours and the enemy) but when they press they either jog or sprint at max acceleration, and usually, they will sprint more than they jog (depending on the mod) and also AI won't manage stamina with their sprints so at the end, the game forces you to play forward, due to the relentless intensity of the players. Ive been trying to solve this in constant team and player bins in the DT18, but there's no way to find a sweet spot or I haven't found it yet, at least.

FIFA/EA FC has more parameters within the engine to change this but the problem is that some of the parameters don't seem to have effect. Players speed is way to high and they have way too much sliding effect, and even when you can reduce it a bit, is not enough to make a proper, realistic game.

So this is the reality of football games. The only saga that tried to be somehow realistic (PES) was made in an engine quite old and thought for a stealth/action game (Metal Gear Solid V) and they (Konami) were not brave/skilled enough as to develop systems in the game that were more advanced and do a more realistic game.

Still though I've been working in searching through several mods and found a combination that kinda eliminates most of the script. If I am able to reduce I'm the dt18 the quantity of defensive sprint and manage to make a more compact base positioning where there's less need of sprinting, there might be a chance that we have a more realistic and relaxed tempo, where the teams rush less the pressure and the marks and still put a fight , and you need to think more and better how to open up the enemy defense.

There's still hope, but it needs a lot of work. Will keep you updated.

 

[millossobek]

Problem is enemy AI and the absence in PES of analogic sprint (different acceleration intensities for sprinting). You can change the starting position of the AI players (both yours and the enemy) but when they press they either jog or sprint at max acceleration, and usually, they will sprint more than they jog (depending on the mod) and also AI won't manage stamina with their sprints so at the end, the game forces you to play forward, due to the relentless intensity of the players. Ive been trying to solve this in constant team and player bins in the DT18, but there's no way to find a sweet spot or I haven't found it yet, at least.

FIFA/EA FC has more parameters within the engine to change this but the problem is that some of the parameters don't seem to have effect. Players speed is way to high and they have way too much sliding effect, and even when you can reduce it a bit, is not enough to make a proper, realistic game.

So this is the reality of football games. The only saga that tried to be somehow realistic (PES) was made in an engine quite old and thought for a stealth/action game (Metal Gear Solid V) and we're not brave/skilled enough as to develop systems in the game that were more advanced and do a more realistic game.

Still though I've been working in searching through several mods and found a combination that kinda eliminates most of the script. If I am able to reduce I'm the dt18 the quantity of defensive sprint and manage to make a more compact base positioning where there's less need of sprinting, there might be a chance that we have a more realistic and relaxed tempo, where the teams rush less the pressure and the marks and still put a fight , and you need to think more and better how to open up the enemy defense.

There's still hope, but it needs a lot of work. Will keep you updated.

I think the biggest problem PES 2021 has in terms of the CPU behavior are the spammed long balls.. I've found a way to eliminate "long-ball expert" from all players (using this method) but this only solves part of the issue.. If you can find a way to reduce this long ball behavior in a future dt18, I think that would solve a lot of the issues that PES 2021 has.. Anyway, good luck with the modding, bro, keep us posted!

 

[Hels The Ronin]

I think the biggest problem PES 2021 has in terms of the CPU behavior are the spammed long balls.. I've found a way to eliminate "long-ball expert" from all players (using this method) but this only solves part of the issue.. If you can find a way to reduce this long ball behavior in a future dt18, I think that would solve a lot of the issues that PES 2021 has.. Anyway, good luck with the modding, bro, keep us posted!

Problem with eliminating that is that they really won't send long balls or will be much less likely to do so, and there are some teams irl that actually play long balls. Making the COM play less direct in the cpulevel.o, and reducing the long passes frequency in userplaytendency.o in case there's something like that(both .o files found in constant_team.bin), will help with the issue. Then, inside the game, having them play possession with short passes in the tactics will make more likely to play less long balls. Also the space between players, in tactics, in attack as much as in defense, is another factor to have in account, and obviously, having a proper base positioning in constant_team.bin, is another point to have in account. Lastly, having them play tactics like tiki-taka further reduces this tendency.

So yeah, it all depends on various factors both inside and outside the game. It's needed several things to have the CPU playing correctly, even the exe can play a factor, so my recommendation is to try various mods, and see if the problem is reduced in this mods without the need of taking out the expert in long balls treat, and instead, having it working properly, and depending all much more from tactics. If I find something to solve the issue or reduce it further, I'll make you know.

And on a side note, no, is not the biggest problem in PES. I mean, there is indeed, but the biggest problem, as said, is that the game feels rushed and COM forces you a lot to play forward, and they press your defenses like really fast and aggressive (at least teams with the press in the front tactic) instead of pressing you in a more controlled way, cutting passing lanes and being careful of not going too fast, since that can lead to you dribbling them easy by taking the opposite direction in the last moment.

Game should be slower, not physically slower, but tactically slower, having more build-up phase, more needing of temporizimg the game and such, and having the COM running less off-ball.

 

[abukins]

Really? I play football life 24 with the F4L realism gameplay mod and ive had a blast. You should try it out 100%. Theres a teleportation glitch that happens soemtimes but otherwise its a really good mod and a really good patch in general. Teams actually look to build up instead of hoofing it up the pitch and i noticed thats the difference from vanilla pes gameplay. Also noticed how specific teams will press more and be more aggressive like liverpool, city, etc. Although one thing that annoys me in pes 21 is that there is defo some sort of rigging/scripting in some games, especially FA cup. Otherwise for me, football life has been a really enjoyable experience and it has really fixed pes gameplay wise. Oh yeah, also its not just the gameplay mod. I use a football life option file which changes the tactics of ALL Teams so it fits their actual real life tactics.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

Really? I play football life 24 with the F4L realism gameplay mod and ive had a blast. You should try it out 100%. Theres a teleportation glitch that happens soemtimes but otherwise its a really good mod and a really good patch in general. Teams actually look to build up instead of hoofing it up the pitch and i noticed thats the difference from vanilla pes gameplay. Also noticed how specific teams will press more and be more aggressive like liverpool, city, etc. Although one thing that annoys me in pes 21 is that there is defo some sort of rigging/scripting in some games, especially FA cup. Otherwise for me, football life has been a really enjoyable experience and it has really fixed pes gameplay wise. Oh yeah, also its not just the gameplay mod. I use a football life option file which changes the tactics of ALL Teams so it fits their actual real life tactics.

Realistic gameplay in EAFC 24 really help the game feel more realistic, but still a lot of sliding and players still run too fast, IMHO, although there's still a bit more of pace change thanks to the analogic sprint.

I would put it like this, PES is overall better in max speed that players can get, and animations and animation blending is better done imo, but EA FC has better pace change and player positioning, where PES is much more box to box gameplay and you're way more forced to play forward, even if max speed of players and ball is better, all of this speaking, of course, about realistic mods.

EA FC has much more values to change, but that also means much more values that you don't know what they do, if anything, so it takes more time to get something decent. Way more difficult to change, since the base is also much more messed up so... Potentially better, but on the short term, way more difficult to get results. Just a matter of balance and preferences.

Had I time, I would be trying to mod (and I don't mean install mods but create them) both games, but due to my limited ammount of time, since I work at the moment 6 days a week, and I am back in my town and have social life to attend (and other games to play) I prefer to go with PES, since is less time consuming to get results. When I was living out of my country and had more free time (past year) I used to try tood FIFA 23, and actually was starting to get good results. But the mod corrupted and then the modding tools started to fail for EAFC 24, and when they started working again, porting all from a FIFA 23 corrupted file to EA FC 24 was almost impossible and I had to start again from scratch, so I decided to come back again to PES, who's community had done an amazing job unlocking new animations and improving gameplay in general.

I encourage, though, to try mods for both games, and those you can get into creating mods, and have enough free time, create mods for both, if you can. On the long term, EA FC will probably be better, but in the meantime, is good to have a good alternative.

 

[Pterarxos]

How can someone prefer a game that has only handful of probabilities to hit the net and shooting that is so one dimensional over a game that has many more bounces and rebounds and shot trajectories and goal.mouth scrambles... the old PES are gone, fox engine ruined it,even though ea fc has defender switching off, it is miles better the scoring aspect

PES is really one dimensional at passing, shooting and build up play if you play it with assisted settings. FUMA PES 21 with vanilla gameplay plays like a completely different game and the depth and variety it has on manual is unparalleled even today. Fifa and EA FC work like shit on manual controls. It's not for everyone, it really has a steep learning curve but it's really worth it in the end. Assisted controls PES is like 20% of what you can actually do on the pitch in terms of variety and gameplay. I suggest you check out this vid below.

 

[Pterarxos]

Really? I play football life 24 with the F4L realism gameplay mod and ive had a blast. You should try it out 100%. Theres a teleportation glitch that happens soemtimes but otherwise its a really good mod and a really good patch in general. Teams actually look to build up instead of hoofing it up the pitch and i noticed thats the difference from vanilla pes gameplay. Also noticed how specific teams will press more and be more aggressive like liverpool, city, etc. Although one thing that annoys me in pes 21 is that there is defo some sort of rigging/scripting in some games, especially FA cup. Otherwise for me, football life has been a really enjoyable experience and it has really fixed pes gameplay wise. Oh yeah, also its not just the gameplay mod. I use a football life option file which changes the tactics of ALL Teams so it fits their actual real life tactics.

I play both PES 21 vanilla gameplay and FL 24 with F4L 4.3. It was indeed a blast until I encountered an unbelievable amount of scripting at an Italian Cup semi final a couple of days ago. It was 1-1, 90th minute with 4 minutes injury time. 94th minute hits, opponent has the ball dead center on the pitch. I was like, "alright it's over now". Opponent plays 3 passes in the center of the pitch, ref doesn't blow. Opponent plays a through ball on the right winger, my RB just froze and let him past even though I was super canceling. Cross-header 1-2 '97th minute. I get knocked out from the cup. I was fuming, I have never encountered such heavy scripting ever until now.

Reverted to Holland's Real PES 3.

 

[Hatrickhero]

PES is really one dimensional at passing, shooting and build up play if you play it with assisted settings. FUMA PES 21 with vanilla gameplay plays like a completely different game and the depth and variety it has on manual is unparalleled even today. Fifa and EA FC work like shit on manual controls. It's not for everyone, it really has a steep learning curve but it's really worth it in the end. Assisted controls PES is like 20% of what you can actually do on the pitch in terms of variety and gameplay. I suggest you check out this vid below.

u can t defend a game that only plays well with full manual and with a mod slapped on top of it, it does nt make sense, pes 21 should be like the old PES of ps2 days but with a new engine, unfortunately it is not, it is one dimensional when it comes to ball placement from shots, in fifa u never feel that, although i don t like fifa build up play, but the variety in front of goal is way ahead of that pes offers, and please don t tell me FUMA, a game should be good with normal assists and should not depend on u being forced to play FUMA in order for it to be good.

 

[Hatrickhero]

after years and years of trying pes with mods or not, the game is just like that unfortunately, that one dimensional feel u get when u are close to the penalty area is just an automated build in issue, it s like shooting is related to where u are positioned near or inside the penalty area, with only very few probabilities to hit the ball and where it will be placed,

 

[Hels The Ronin]

after years and years of trying pes with mods or not, the game is just like that unfortunately, that one dimensional feel u get when u are close to the penalty area is just an automated build in issue, it s like shooting is related to where u are positioned near or inside the penalty area, with only very few probabilities to hit the ball and where it will be placed,

Shooting has almost no dispersion in PES, and with the mods set I have, defending them is quite difficult, and COM will shoot right after control, lacks variety, will always look for the angle and shoot, just like that, cause for defenders is too damn difficult to follow up the attacker, at least, as I say, in the build I have. Also, again, shoots should be more difficult to lie in, they always go close to the goal, but there's a lack of missing the shot if you're way too forced. Needs to have more failed one-shots, missing to hit the ball or hitting it bad. Also, being able to stop more shots with a more responsive user defence, and actually being able to put more of a fight when stoping someone's from shooting by being closer, etc..

 

[Daewood]

Why the heck can't Konami bring back the PES 2021 engine and make it better. The thing is that they seemed to have hit a rock when it comes to the AI. In PES 2021 they make the game harder by making the controls worse. And that is not AI, that is the opposite of AI. They should put the effort on making the AI player better and more diverse and let the us control our players more freely and realistic. Now it feels like I'm struggling against the controls rather than trying to win over the AI player. But still, it's the best game, I think.

 

[nikolapfc89]

EAFC is a disaster. Like cartoon gameplay. Feels more like a hockey game than football.

I must say that I have given it a chance so many times. Played a lot but I can't. It is very bad.

On the other hand, I would say that FIFA 16 and PES 21 are the best available games now, and they share 1st place.

 

[Hatrickhero]

I think I was having a mad moment when I started this forum. I have since gone back to PES 21 and glad I did. All of the great mods mean it’s still the best footy game around. I am worried that it may be the last great football game and we will all still be on this forum and downloading mods for pes 21 in twenty years………..

u can t really say it s the best footie around,i don t agree with u at all, since u are ignoring the fact that it has one dimensional shooting mechanics, and not enough variety in goals...outcomes... etc...,

 

[Hatrickhero]

PES is really one dimensional at passing, shooting and build up play if you play it with assisted settings. FUMA PES 21 with vanilla gameplay plays like a completely different game and the depth and variety it has on manual is unparalleled even today. Fifa and EA FC work like shit on manual controls. It's not for everyone, it really has a steep learning curve but it's really worth it in the end. Assisted controls PES is like 20% of what you can actually do on the pitch in terms of variety and gameplay. I suggest you check out this vid below.

i want a game that plays like a normal game on assisted controls , like the default settings, why does the old PES 5 and 6 work crazy good with default controls and pes 21 won t..... because it s not good when it comes to penalty area probabilities, while the other game has much more outcomes and probabilities of shots and shot variation, it s just that fifa is missing the build up play feel,. meaning the passing feel of pes.

 

[Hatrickhero]

Shooting has almost no dispersion in PES, and with the mods set I have, defending them is quite difficult, and COM will shoot right after control, lacks variety, will always look for the angle and shoot, just like that, cause for defenders is too damn difficult to follow up the attacker, at least, as I say, in the build I have. Also, again, shoots should be more difficult to lie in, they always go close to the goal, but there's a lack of missing the shot if you're way too forced. Needs to have more failed one-shots, missing to hit the ball or hitting it bad. Also, being able to stop more shots with a more responsive user defence, and actually being able to put more of a fight when stoping someone's from shooting by being closer, etc..

i agree totally with u

 

[Hatrickhero]

Good to see people enjoying the thread 👍 I like many of you swing back a forward between PES 21 and EAFC. It’s like a Groundhog Day nightmare and I am desperate to find what I used to have on the early pes games (pto evo 2 (showing my age 😂😂)) and like many fifa 16-17 were great.

is anyone modding fifa 16?

i did, playing with speedhack at 0.9 and ball physics mod, i almost turned it into pes 2021 clone

 

[Hatrickhero]

PES 2017 is so good. I use to hate that game initially due to the PC input lag and the unresponsive dribbling and the bad PC port in general but playing it in PS4 was fun. Definitely the best Fox engine PES game outside of PES 2015 demo. Miles better than PES 2021 when it comes to AI and pattern of play.

sorry but no, it has same ai repetitive behavior issues, it has same one dimensional shooting aswell of the later versions, ai will always play long ball to striker receives it and hits it everytime in top corner left hand side, so boring to watch over and over in ML, sorry but no, the best pes games are long gone, in ps2 era

 

[Hatrickhero]

Yes, physic is the weakest point from FIFA. But I feel that physics in FIFA 15 and 16 is far away better than 17-23 (havent try 24 due no match intro). I read some peoples tell that FIFA physic became bad after change engine into frostbite. I don't know technical explanation for it but I agree, FIFA 15 and 16 physic (Ignite) feel a lot better than 17-23 (Frostbite). Even I still play FIFA 15 due this reason, although have 17, 21, 22 and 23.

yes change of engine made physics worse

 

[OleCiro]

As a purely console player (series x) you’re really kinda stuck between the options these days.

That said, Pes 21 had its time for me, but I tend to play more fc24 these days (with the sliders, obviously).

I agree totally with all of the criticisms it gets on here (sliding, 1v1 etc) but I find I have more fun with it, warts n’ all. It was great at the time but whenever I do go back to Pes 21 now it just feels kinda empty.

I’ve just kinda accepted that on console, Fifa/FC’s particular brand of ‘Tekken ball’ is what engages me more these days whenever I have the football itch. That’s not to say I wouldn’t prefer a more sim centred game.

I find the Pes21 acolytes quite annoying now tbh. Any time someone posts a clip of their slider set for a FIFA game, they pile in with their ‘omg sooo unrealistic….just get a pc and mod Pes21 to the tits bro!’. Good for you, but not everyone has that option - it’s like rich man waving wads of cash in your face.

 

[Chris Davies]

I find the Pes21 acolytes quite annoying now tbh. Any time someone posts a clip of their slider set for a FIFA game, they pile in with their ‘omg sooo unrealistic….just get a pc and mod Pes21 to the tits bro!’. Good for you, but not everyone has that option - it’s like rich man waving wads of cash in your face.

It's also not perfect even with mods - no matter what, you have to put up with one (or more) of... The entire team moving into the opposition half when in possession and back again when out of possession, the AI doing nothing but spam pixel-perfect long balls from defence to attack all game long, not being able to score from outside of the box, defenders being impossible to dribble past, headers being a waste of time, etc. etc. etc.

The fundamentals are great - beyond that, it's not, IMO. Funnily enough, I think EAFC has the opposite problem.

(And the same applies to EAFC modding - it improves the game exponentially, and if you like EAFC with sliders, I wish I could find a way to share a game or two of Anth's literally amazing gameplay mod with you because I'm pretty confident you'd have a great time. BUT, the core of the game is still a skatey, twitchy, 1v1 non-team-game mess, and you simply can't change a game into something it isn't designed to be.)

 

[OleCiro]

It's also not perfect even with mods - no matter what, you have to put up with one (or more) of... The entire team moving into the opposition half when in possession and back again when out of possession, the AI doing nothing but spam pixel-perfect long balls from defence to attack all game long, not being able to score from outside of the box, defenders being impossible to dribble past, headers being a waste of time, etc. etc. etc.

The fundamentals are great - beyond that, it's not, IMO. Funnily enough, I think EAFC has the opposite problem.

(And the same applies to EAFC modding - it improves the game exponentially, and if you like EAFC with sliders, I wish I could find a way to share a game or two of Anth's literally amazing gameplay mod with you because I'm pretty confident you'd have a great time. BUT, the core of the game is still a skatey, twitchy, 1v1 non-team-game mess, and you simply can't change a game into something it isn't designed to be.)

Oh Aye - I’ve seen the videos of anth’s gameplay mod. It looks like a significant improvement, even if some of the jarring stuff is still in there. If I had a PC to mod, that’s probably where I’d go.

Totally agree about the ai behaviour in Pes21. I personally never feel actually confronted by the ai in Pes21, just cheated by it.

I think we’re all at (an admittedly sad) stage now where we just have to get our football itch wherever we can find it.

If you can mod Pes21 and enjoy it, absolutely awesome!

 

[Topaz]

sorry but no, it has same ai repetitive behavior issues, it has same one dimensional shooting aswell of the later versions, ai will always play long ball to striker receives it and hits it everytime in top corner left hand side, so boring to watch over and over in ML, sorry but no, the best pes games are long gone, in ps2 era

I said the best PES game in the Fox Game Engine. Which includes PES 2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020 and 2021.

 

[Barry Smith]

I posted a discussion last year thinking that EAFC 24 was better than PES 21. In the end I still went back to modded PES over EAFC 24 as it felt better to play. My main issue with PES remains the boring and predictable AI that no mods can ever fix. The AI just don’t dribble and it is infuriating! I feel that EAFC 25 has fixed some of its issues and I think I will stick with it over PES 21 but only time will tell again?

 

[Chris Davies]

EDIT: I've folded your new thread into your old one to continue the discussion!

There's no blanket answer to this.

The people who love PES 2021 tend to really really love it (and have done for the past, what, four years).

PES 2021 is a very rigid simulator (mods can do all kinds of things to it, but while you can tweak/throw it in certain directions, you can't add any gameplay code it doesn't have to begin with).

FC25 is a less-rigid (IMO) less-simulator. The FCIQ stuff is a step forward IMO but many sim-heads see it as a step backwards, given that it takes power away from the players to make basic and obvious footballing decisions (like making a run when the opponent's defenders are 50 yards apart).

PES 2021 is (IMO) so stiff and the AI so join-the-dots basic that I don't think it's a great game (physics are grounded, but AI is really limited).

FC25 has no defensive AI, other than "all players fall back to your designated positions, then one player go and press while we watch".

So I would argue that nothing has been put to rest... but given how differently teams play to each other in FC25, I'd say it's a better game for me. But still not quite there given the 1v1 silly-billiness.

 

[PESV]

PES2021 started clicking with me on a whole different level when I gradually switched from Superstar to Legendary about two years ago. I eased the transition by using the form arrows to handicap the CPU and sticking to friendlies. Since then, I play around two or three games every other evening and am now challenging myself to win the UEFA Cup with Sampdoria.

All I can say is, if you invest in this game and persevere through the frustrations, you will be rewarded with a lifelong challenge and a unique match experience every single time. The reason being that as you get better at predicting AI patterns and anticipating them, the AI will employ more variety and make more mistakes. This results in a more unpredictable and scrappy game that constantly puts me on my toes and forces me to think through each unique situation.

Not since PES5 have I celebrated my goals like I do now, and even a CPU goal can often elicit a respectful nod from me. I'll stick with this game for as long as necessary and am loving it. If the PES2020 demo was the honeymoon, I survived the seven-year itch and am now happily married and have grown to not just live with, but love her flaws.

 

[koningfrikandel]

PES is really one dimensional at passing, shooting and build up play if you play it with assisted settings. FUMA PES 21 with vanilla gameplay plays like a completely different game and the depth and variety it has on manual is unparalleled even today. Fifa and EA FC work like shit on manual controls. It's not for everyone, it really has a steep learning curve but it's really worth it in the end. Assisted controls PES is like 20% of what you can actually do on the pitch in terms of variety and gameplay. I suggest you check out this vid below.

After years of playing PES and PES21 i am just now coming to this realisation. I've tried fuma before but found it too tiring. With @Twiggy 's mods I'm giving this another go and committing to it. It's really hard, I've just scored one goal but it felt so rewarding. The difference in behaviour in how the AI approaches things is instantly noticeable as well.

I still think PES2011's passing system was the best middle ground between FUMA and assisted, but this looks very promising and fair so far.

 

[koningfrikandel]

PES2021 started clicking with me on a whole different level when I gradually switched from Superstar to Legendary about two years ago. I eased the transition by using the form arrows to handicap the CPU and sticking to friendlies. Since then, I play around two or three games every other evening and am now challenging myself to win the UEFA Cup with Sampdoria.

All I can say is, if you invest in this game and persevere through the frustrations, you will be rewarded with a lifelong challenge and a unique match experience every single time. The reason being that as you get better at predicting AI patterns and anticipating them, the AI will employ more variety and make more mistakes. This results in a more unpredictable and scrappy game that constantly puts me on my toes and forces me to think through each unique situation.

Not since PES5 have I celebrated my goals like I do now, and even a CPU goal can often elicit a respectful nod from me. I'll stick with this game for as long as necessary and am loving it. If the PES2020 demo was the honeymoon, I survived the seven-year itch and am now happily married and have grown to not just live with, but love her flaws.

Sounds great. Is this on assisted or FUMA? Just out of curiosity. Any mods being used?

 

[Bravez]

There are some fundamental issues with fifa/eafc that can't be changed. The feef sliding and skipping and the ball travelling through body parts. When one of those happens and leads to a goal it kills the game for me.

The next thing is defenders switching off. I've watched loads of eafc mods and slider changes and there is always a defender of defensive midfielder who doesn't track a run.
None of this exists in a modded pes 21. Yes pes 21 is older but it holds up really well in the fundamentals

We're completely aligned in this. I think EAFC does a huge amount well and right but the fundamental issues with sliding/dribbling and the needlessly complex button combos to do basics overshadow all of it for me.

However, if those things do not ruin your enjoyment then you'd be mad not to enjoy EAFC more than PES21 or any eFootball.

As much as I am and will always be a PES guy, I will play what game i enjoy most, regardless of its name or my allegiance.

 

[hitmanuk]

We're completely aligned in this. I think EAFC does a huge amount well and right but the fundamental issues with sliding/dribbling and the needlessly complex button combos to do basics overshadow all of it for me.

However, if those things do not ruin your enjoyment then you'd be mad not to enjoy EAFC more than PES21 or any eFootball.

As much as I am and will always be a PES guy, I will play what game i enjoy most, regardless of its name or my allegiance.

100% - i was PES all the way from ISS days to PES 2008 then i switched to FIFA and was all in on FIFA up to 2016. Then back to PES 17 onwards. Now of FL24 with a ton of mods and its probably the best ive played in regards what im looking for.

If FIFA or whoever release something better then im all in but until then ill stick with what i consider the best representation of football and i dont mean 100% sim. I want a good amount of realisim with some excitement and challenge.