There is almost no resistance from the midfield, how on earth is that a simulation? You can walk the length of the field letting the CPU dive in and score with your keeper on World Class level. I don't know what footy games you watch in real life but EAFC is nothing like the real game.
Yup, that's what Pure Football was aiming for. Sadly, is way more difficult to get it done in FIFA. That and the freaking defenders not defending are really what destroy FIFA, cause then the AI is a bit better and more customizable, and positioning is way better than PES, with players receiving the ball between the lanes, being more active in the sense of moving without the ball (yet they do run too much in general), but also, I still feel that the pitch is way smaller in FIFA, so it also helps that match pace is way worse.
PES ain't much better. The resistance you have in midfield is very artificial, and the posesions feel way too much do-or-die, and the ball goes from side to side way too fast. There's no way you can do a reliable posession in PES with more than 5 passes, cause it encourages to play it fast into the box, and that's not how every team play. Even if in certain ways it is better than FIFA, in much others is way worse, and a lot of times, and specially with rivalries and high pressure, the game plays like if they were on the last 5 minutes of the match, since minute 0, with a way too open approach to the match. One thing is having high pressure, and another one, being unable to go back into your own half of the pitch, opening yourself to counter after counter, wich as I said, it happens way too much in PES, specialy with rivalries.
I don't care what PES is or isn't. I'm referring to your comment that EAFC is somehow remotely realistic compared to any game of football that has ever been played on this planet without the aid/handicap of drugs. PES and FIFA have been crap for years and they're not going to get any better because that's not what brings the cash in. Personally, I can happily play FIFA 16 or 19 until the good Lord returns because nothing is getting anywhere near it in terms of quality this side of armageddon. PES 21 is a 4/10 girlfriend who modders made into a 8/10 at a distance but still a 6/10 at best when close up. You can't polish a turd but you can cover it in glitter.
Every fifa from 14 to 19, expecially 16 in my opinion,is by far better than pes2021. I have not tryed a modded pes2021,but its flaws can't be fixed by mods in my opinion.
i just can't get into FIFA anymore, i do like the FIFA 14 pc version, with the classic patch. i just find when i score a goal it doesn't give me the same feeling as what PES does. Listen like i said i didn't enjoy PES 21 but with mods they make the gameplay a lot better than the standard version. try hollands and twiggys gameplay mods. you can find them on here.
Man, wtf scripting? Literally PES has way more scripting than FIFA, even when modded. Have you tried FIFA modded even once? I mean, PES is great on it's own, with much better animations, and all, but man FIFA the problem it has is that defenders don't defend but trust me that feels less rigid than PES. And in terms of defending and such, both share the fact that CPU defenders are SHIT. Maybe a bit worse in FIFA (yet it can be modded further than PES, so more room to improvement, but also more difficult because of the share ammount of shit to touch) but in general, and I hate to say this because I hate EA with a passion but FIFA has way more modding potential than PES in terms of gameplay and has the potential to be a better game.
I'm a big fan of semi, so having this option is a great plus for FIFA/FC.
In How did you set FIFA 16?I love both franchises, but one thing that I think FIFA (not just FC24 but in general) has over PES is the following point:
I've been experimenting with passing sliders, playing on semi in several editions and I've noticed something very interesting..
Increasing and decreasing pass accuracy slider has a major effect on semi passing. the change from say, 50-55 is massive, making it much more manual, and decreasing from 50-45 makes it much more assisted. Of course, this is more pronounced in some editions than others.
But in a nutshell, let's say we describe manual passing at 0.0 and fully assisted at 1.0, you can have a fulll range from 0.01-0.99 pass assistance playing with semi while changing the pass accuracy slider.
I remember that @Chris Davies mentioned a while back that he felt semi was too assisted in some editions, but tinkering with the sliders while playing semi is a great way to find a sweet spot in terms of assistance.
I haven't set it on FIFA 16 since I play that edition with Anth's gameplay mods, and he recommends not changing sliders.
The best way is to experiment and find your own personal sweet spot.I also play with Anth's ball physics...I would just like to find a cl.ini regarding the credible gameplay, that is, as far as possible, it makes the CPU AI more varied with its attacks and level defensive at champion level (I play expert)I haven't set it on FIFA 16 since I play that edition with Anth's gameplay mods, and he recommends not changing sliders.
But usually in other FIFAS, I usually set it 51-55 pass error with semi.
That's great to know. As I have to play on semi, but I get annoyed when simple passes that I can make IRL with ease and instantly, are a little too tricky to do on FIFA. Same reason I get annoyed with FUMA on EF. As short easy passes are too difficult to do, when really they should be extremely easy. I'd want a setting where you can semi automate short passing but rest manual.I love both franchises, but one thing that I think FIFA (not just FC24 but in general) has over PES is the following point:
I've been experimenting with passing sliders, playing on semi in several editions and I've noticed something very interesting..
Increasing and decreasing pass accuracy slider has a major effect on semi passing. the change from say, 50-55 is massive, making it much more manual, and decreasing from 50-45 makes it much more assisted. Of course, this is more pronounced in some editions than others.
But in a nutshell, let's say we describe manual passing at 0.0 and fully assisted at 1.0, you can have a fulll range from 0.01-0.99 pass assistance playing with semi while changing the pass accuracy slider.
I remember that @Chris Davies mentioned a while back that he felt semi was too assisted in some editions, but tinkering with the sliders while playing semi is a great way to find a sweet spot in terms of assistance.
Funnily enough, I've found that the first true "fix" for this was released a short time ago - I posted about it here detailing one of my favourite tests.
Going to try that gameplay mod but I have to disagree on FC 24 modded gameplay making bad teams in legendary play like good teams. I have just beaten Luton Town 5-0 with Man City in Legendary in FC 24 and have also lost against Man City 4-1 whilst playing with Chelsea. Every match feels very different. Will see how much that new gameplay mod of PES 2021 have any impact.
While that's true, I think there's a core list of things that the vast majority of "us" would agree is a minimum requirement to make future releases of EAFC enjoyable (without modding).
Oh no doubt about that for sure. There’s definitely a core list!
Let's say it like this, let's suppose I had a genius reverse engineering specialist or even better, that I could choose someone with access to the code of any football game and skill enough as to change things, I'd probably go for EA FC 24. Simply because even when vanilla design is way worse, the technology behind the game is way more advanced.
Only because of Hypermotion? I'd choose a game without that.
So instead of going for a remaster of something like FIFA 16 or PES 6 so they could make improved graphics and they already have great gameplay, you'd choose something that only resembles football from screenshots but plays like pinball wizard among blind midfield players? Interesting.
He's purely talking about how much potential there is in the code when so much is being calculated. He even says the vanilla game is awful.
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I chose 17 because it's clearly the best Frostbite FIFA and the graphics are better than 16's cartoon-y look IMO. The L-runs of the attackers can be easily expanded upon and The Journey could be modded too. I think pre-canned animations can be expaned and give better results than Hypermotion.
@Chris Davies already gave an explanation. Is not only about Hypermotion, but about many other things. About Hypermotion, it is already quite tweakable through moddin, and although I consider there could be better systems, you can already tweak it enough as to have somewhat a more grounded and realistic GP, only by changing calues, I don't want to imagine what could be changed into if we had access to code.
"cooking up that pass that breaks several lanes of pressure, is cooking up the combination waiting for your players to place in the correct position, temporizing the game, knowing when to stop and when to fasten up"
I agree with a lot of your concepts mate regarding EAFC24 but the plain truth is that the modding community represents a very tiny percentage of the player base and the vast majority of us don't have time to continually make tweaks and add patches (if we even have a decent enough PC) just to make the game somewhat playable. I can pick up 16 and 19 and pretty much leave them on default sliders and have a fantastic experience. With EAFC24, vanilla is possibly the worst representation of the game I've ever seen and you barely have to wait a few seconds to see something, an animation or lack of press or simply standing watching, totally unrealistic. EA aren't going to do the modding community any favours because they realize it embarasses them, a bunch of unpaid anons who make a better visual and playing experience than a billion dollar company. The game is only going to get more and more unrealistic because of the market it's aimed at. I would argue that it's almost entirely aimed at the pre-teen market now, regardless of who actually plays it. Everything is gimicky, exagerrated, over-represented (3 female officials with female commentators for a Premier League game) and it's not going to get any better. We all want that football revolution but EA is dead in the water and the body was found 5 years ago.
