Football Manager 2008

brunnoce said:
exaclty..
i can see a senario where one team beats the shit of the other in the first macth, but in the replay(second macth with the same circunstances and tatics) the losing team can beat the other out of luck or a defensive tatic success(counter attacks).
but the way it happened is totally unlogicaly..all of sudden my team dominates them so easy, seemed i was playng a 2 div team.
anyway, i still dont know why, but im quite addicted with this game right now. after months not playing it, all of the blue i started linking it again, evan noticing those enoumous flaws :lol: now thats something to think of! maybe im liking the fact the game is so random that its actually really hard to win a bloody trophy.(at least with everton, like in real life!)
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Football Manager is the most unrealistic game ever..people always stand up for it because it's fashionable to do so..but it's a really unreallistic game. Comparing to Fifa Manager, it's a crappy game..in my opinion..people will get mad by saying this, but it's true. Most people who say Fifa Manager sucks, never played it..it has getting better and better every year. I play on text mode and it's great and realistic.
Besides, every Football Manager fan say 'yes, Football Manager is a simulation..bla bla bla'. It makes me laugh..because next line they post their line up for the first season with Benfica, and they can sign like 10 star players when Benfica couldn't sign even one of them. 10 in the first season.. then, at the end of the first season, even if you're not that good, you just have to sign 8 stars bosman players..and there you go. Let's not forget the wonder kids that everybody signs and perform well in every game.
Fifa Manager is far more simulation than FM. It's really hard to sign good players, even if they're good they can under perform in a sense that you'll have to sell them..You really have to pay attention to your budget, and it's pretty hard to keep a balanced finance..so it really feels well when you're able to buy a good player, after 3 weeks negotiating his contract..
And all the rest is better. No crazy 9-6 scorelines like most FM fans post..saying that FM is the real thing.
I used to play FM, but now it's a long way from Fifa Manager. Not to mention Career's management on Fifa Manager, truely nice..And almost every league playable..

Sorry for the 'offtopic', but I think it's related to what you've been discussing...
 
I dont think people get mad because you think Football Manager is a crappy game. They just disagree and wish you luck in your fifa manager career ;-)
 
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Football Manager is the most unrealistic game ever..people always stand up for it because it's fashionable to do so..but it's a really unreallistic game. Comparing to Fifa Manager, it's a crappy game..in my opinion..people will get mad by saying this, but it's true. Most people who say Fifa Manager sucks, never played it..it has getting better and better every year. I play on text mode and it's great and realistic.
Besides, every Football Manager fan say 'yes, Football Manager is a simulation..bla bla bla'. It makes me laugh..because next line they post their line up for the first season with Benfica, and they can sign like 10 star players when Benfica couldn't sign even one of them. 10 in the first season.. then, at the end of the first season, even if you're not that good, you just have to sign 8 stars bosman players..and there you go. Let's not forget the wonder kids that everybody signs and perform well in every game.
Fifa Manager is far more simulation than FM. It's really hard to sign good players, even if they're good they can under perform in a sense that you'll have to sell them..You really have to pay attention to your budget, and it's pretty hard to keep a balanced finance..so it really feels well when you're able to buy a good player, after 3 weeks negotiating his contract..
And all the rest is better. No crazy 9-6 scorelines like most FM fans post..saying that FM is the real thing.
I used to play FM, but now it's a long way from Fifa Manager. Not to mention Career's management on Fifa Manager, truely nice..And almost every league playable..

Sorry for the 'offtopic', but I think it's related to what you've been discussing...
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For most of your reasons, I set up rules for my own games. I never sign a player in the first window, and never sign more than 3 players a year - usually italian and usually unknown. I never go over £10m either for a player or in a market total. But I agree, wonderkids and stuff like that are annoying, makes it so unrealistic.
 
Chris Bauer said:
As for the resolution, I'm not sure if this will work if your desktop resolution is smaller than the one you specify, but this is what I do... I want "full-screen" to be the same size as my normal resolution, not 800x600 or whatever the default is (which looks awful on a decent LCD monitor). So if you right-click on the shortcut to FM and look for the "target" field, you can change it to this:



Give that a whirl, works a treat for me.
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I have tried that already and i get a "Unable to open in full screen mode" error

why the fuck cant they just let you choose the resolution you want like every other game the cocks
 
I think you shouldn't be able to view player attributes in the game, and your scouts should only be able to give you their strengths weaknesses (better scouts/coaches giving a more detailed analysis of players), it would add an extra dimension to the game imo.

For example, you could have someone score 30 goals in 30 games in the Romanian league (or some other small league), but if you can see all their attributes and they look poor, you will just leave them and think they are crap. However, if you saw that goalscoring record without being able to see the attributes, you may well take a risk on signing the player because they look like they have goalscoring qualities... Real managers do that, it's lacking in FM. In real life you don't have a spreadsheet database type thing where you can see precisely how good every single player in the world is at every single aspect of their game...

Or at least they should have difficulty modes so you can choose whether you want a realistic game or an unrealistic game.

Also, there should be a "reset prevention" or "autosave" feature, so if you quit during a match then you lose the game. You get some cocks who restart every match until they win them all and then they just go and say how good they are at the game... Then they get shown up if you play them in an online game :).
 
Treetopp said:
I dont think people get mad because you think Football Manager is a crappy game. They just disagree and wish you luck in your fifa manager career ;-)
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Well, not here, as it seems, but usually FM fans don't react very well to criticism to the game, and have that cliche idea that FM is far more simulation/realistic than Fifa Manager.
I used to play Football Manager, but they need to give something new to the game..certainly it has a good players database, but a big part of that job is made by scout fans.

I think you shouldn't be able to view player attributes in the game, and your scouts should only be able to give you their strengths weaknesses (better scouts/coaches giving a more detailed analysis of players), it would add an extra dimension to the game imo.
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Fifa Manager works that way. There's 10 levels of 'knowing' the player. If he's a world know player, of course you'll have a level 9 or 10. But if he's not, maybe you'll have a level 3 or 5 which makes his stats to be rounded by 5 or 10 points (0-99). So, in order to get to know him pretty well before signing (because it's different signing someone with 66 or 70 at crossing..) you must send out scouts to watch him play, and your level of knowledge of the player will go up, just like in real life. If you don't do so, because you don't have much time before the market closes, for example, you're taking a risk..because the stats are ao rounded up or down.
It was a good idea, in my opinion. As some people don't like to have this kind of depth, they also offer the possibility to buy an agency pack (like dvd's) and you'll be able to see most players true value (level 10) but it's expensive, because you have to buy the pack and pay a monthly sum to keep it updated.

For most of your reasons, I set up rules for my own games. I never sign a player in the first window, and never sign more than 3 players a year - usually italian and usually unknown. I never go over £10m either for a player or in a market total. But I agree, wonderkids and stuff like that are annoying, makes it so unrealistic.
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Yeah, when I play I try to do the same, to enjoy it..but still..
 
Yeah I had FIFA Manager 08, and enjoyed it for a while but the old FIFA engine is just terrible, the results started to get very unrealistic (United 8th, Chelsea 11th in January), some of the player ratings are just ridiculous and all the managers/staff being fake just got on my nerves (especially as it's a manager game).

If they used the next-gen FIFA engine, overhauled the AI and got some proper researchers then it would be a great game, an FM beater for sure. The presentation is top notch, as per usual with EA games.
 
I tried FIFA Manager recently and the only things I didn't like were the menu system (which is very hard to navigate compared to other games), the "personal life" crap (I want to play football, not kiss-chase), the teams in daft positions (Aston Villa 1st, Manchester United 10th) and the 3D match engine where every goal seems to be the same (shots from quite a long way out).

If they sorted those out then it would be a nice little game.
 
Yes, it's a little harder until you get used to it, because it has so much info than FM. I know some people only care for signing and training, but you can always uncheck those areas and let someone do it for you.
About personal life, you can just ignore it. It was taken from the game but some people asked for it again..as you see many FM fans doing the same because other way there's no motivation to get better contracts..if you don't have something on spend the money. I think it's just a plus for those who like..it has a nice thing, after a few seasons, if you're sucessfull, you can buy a small club and take care of it. It's interesting, but like I said, it's only for those who like it.
I only play text mode, so I can only speak for it. I don't like 3d so much, and I think results won't be the most realistic. But the text mode is quite good and I always get realistic results and league tables...for sure sometimes some clubs don't start so well, but at the end, it's more realistic than FM. I've made a 5 years career, I can post every league table from any country in those 5 years, and you can confirm that. Honestly, I find it more easy to get weird final league tables on FM.
About the manager names, yes, that can be annoying, but the game comes with an outstanding editor, and of course you can get them pretty easily. You don't quit on PES because of the database, right?
About the players stats..well, that's questionable. In FM I also see stupid stats..otherwise Obiorah would have ruled the football planet, but like I said, there's plenty of patches that correct those values..


Of course there's still something to do for Fifa Manager (specially on match rating system, I prefer FM's), but it's getting better every year. At first they didn't care that much about realism (like in european draws, european coefficients..) but now it's very good.
 
If I could still play with a text match engine I would play FM on the PSP, but FM2006/7/8 has spoiled me now with the 2D. I can't go back to the text engine because you simply can't see how your team's width is helping you or hurting you, how your defenders are tracking back etc...

FM's 2D engine is poor for a 21st century game but it's the best out there IMO, which is really really sad. Championship Manager is going to have a 3D engine this year and if Football Manager doesn't I don't think I will be buying it.

The FM2009 announcement takes place in three or four hours, I can't wait...
 
Yes, I can understand that Bauer;)
CM 3D engine looks nice on that video, but it has to be confirmed..it's quite dificult to make a good 3d match engine..
 
It is difficult of course but if the guys who make FM spent a year taking their 2D engine and making it 3D, I'm sure it would be good enough for the likes of me. I'm playing LMA Manager 2007 at the minute, which has very little to do and an awful match engine, but it makes you realise what you're missing.

You will see a great tackle, you'll jump out of your seat in appreciation, and the referee will blow for a foul like an idiot. In FM all you see is two dots move over eachother and then a piece of text that says "the referee gives the opposition a free kick, that didn't look like a foul". You don't know that, you have no emotional involvement in that moment and you're trusting a single line of text to inform you of what just happened. Your opinion could be different.

Same when a player keeps making horrible, bone-crunching tackles and the referee lets play go on - you don't even have a line in FM for that, I don't think, so you would never know. You would never know if a player isn't getting high enough off the ground to win headers or if he's skipping over tackles like Ronaldo, or doing too many tricks all the time and slowing the team down/losing possession because of it...

In the same way that text went 2D because otherwise we'd never know about team width, the opposition exploiting the space etc etc etc, 2D now needs to go 3D because otherwise we'd never know so much more.
 
Yes, 3D is without question the step to take, but I'm just saying that it would be quite easy to make it a big disaster, so it's understandable they don't want to take that risk without having it well developed. Otherwise you could watch some really weird moves and instead of adding it up for the experience, it would just make you annoyed by it..
We'll see..maybe we'll even see it this year..
 
Simple - Give us the choice - Commentary, 2d, 3d Circles/3d players :D. If its a disaster, go to the 2d match again. Like this they compromise incase its a disaster.
 
as an edit freak, i just hope that if they give us a 3d engine or a engine where u can actually see the player, they also give us a decend apperance editor(hopefully in game, and also on saved games)...cause it will be very frustating to see blond guys looking black and black guys beeing red hair. :lol:

i just wacthed the cm2009 3d macth video, looks great from what i could see..por quality, but it looks like the real thing!

after that, im beting that fm2009 will go 3d too, they will not let cm2009 get any market space from them, specially how similar both games are, i can see people choosing cm2009 over fm if they dont come with a 3d engine this year.
 
btw just found this on the CM oficial site, written by their GM:

"I’m sure we’re not the only football management game to be making in-roads towards animations in the near future as others have been recruiting animators as well, so it feels like it’s going to be an exciting new season."

i think he is cleary talking about FM
 
brunnoce said:
btw just found this on the CM oficial site, written by their GM:

"I’m sure we’re not the only football management game to be making in-roads towards animations in the near future as others have been recruiting animators as well, so it feels like it’s going to be an exciting new season."

i think he is cleary talking about FM
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Yep, I mentioned before I saw SI advertising for 3D modellers on a job website last year. I didn't read too much into it though because for all we know it could be 3D badges. ;)

Milanista said:
Where did you see the CM09 videos brunnoce??
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"LMA is dead" thread...
 
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I think the only way would be to set the guy as a target man and supply the ball to his head
 
CB, do u know where i can find the defualt licensed teams kits(licensed leagues like la liga, championship , etc)?
i tired susi forums, and no luck...
i want to take those out of the game...i want to have only the generic kits in the game.
 
You can take them out but it's complicated.

You'd need to download the FM2008 RESOURCE ARCHIVER, open your Program Files/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2008/data/graphics.fmf file, extract it to any directory (e.g. C:/), then find the "kits" folder and delete it, then using the archiver to create a new graphics.db file from your new structure and replace the old file.
 
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It's 'graphics.fmf'

I've just been trying to post all that for the last 10 minutes but due to my computer being completely fucking insane and randomly going backwards and forwards browser pages it kept losing what I had typed and you beat me to it CB!
 
Who is the best Co-Trainer in the world? I had Sinisa Mihajlovic, but he left and I'm looking for a very good one.
 
Chris Bauer, I've downloaded a French backgrounds picture pack and thought I'd installed it correctly, but can't get them to work in game :SS. All of your pack works perfectly. All I have done is extract the files to the same place as yours except in a different folder called "Fra". Here is one of the config.xml's:

Code: 
<record>
	<!-- resource manager options -->

	<!-- dont preload anything in this folder -->
	<boolean id="preload" value="false"/>

	<!-- turn off auto mapping -->
	<boolean id="amap" value="false"/>


	<list id="maps">
                <!-- ligue 1 teams -->
	  <record from="ajaccio" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/3500150/background"/>
                <record from="amiens" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/6200321/background"/>
                <record from="angers" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/986/background"/>
                <record from="bastia" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/987/background"/>
                <record from="boulogne" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/3501913/background"/>
                <record from="brest" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/990/background"/>
                <record from="chateauroux" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/936/background"/>
                <record from="clermont" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/938/background"/>
                <record from="dijon" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/934/background"/>
                <record from="grenoble" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/3500295/background"/>
                <record from="gueugnon" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/946/background"/>
                <record from="guingamp" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/942/background"/>
                <record from="le havre" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/964/background"/>
                <record from="libourne" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/914535/background"/>
                <record from="montpellier" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/967/background"/>
                <record from="nantes" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/952/background"/>
                <record from="niort" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/935/background"/>
                <record from="reims" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/983/background"/>
                <record from="sedan" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/910859/background"/>
                <record from="troyes" to="graphics/pictures/stadium/929/background"/>
                
                

			
	</list>
</record>

I have gone into preferences and ticked reload skin data on confirm, and then confirmed, but they won't show!? :THINK:
 
As long as each config file is in the same place as the pictures specified in it, and the picture names are as they appear there (i.e. amiens, angers etc.) it should work. Can't explain why if it doesn't. :eh:

You could try closing the game and going to C:\Documents and Settings\[YOUR USERNAME]\Application Data\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2008\Cache, deleting every file in there (they recreate, don't worry).

You need to have set your XP's folder options to "show hidden files and folders" first though, or the folders won't appear. Or you can go to Start > Run and copy and paste that long bold directory structure above into the box (replacing the [YOUR USERNAME] bit with your Windows username - it should appear at the top of your opened Start menu), and press OK.
 
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