FIFA 19 Discussion (Console Versions)

[Ameppe]

This doesn’t seem an issue for many people yet I remember people losing their heads over the lack of fouls in PES 2018, and rightly so.

Glad i'm not the only one noticing this. Maybe it's because the Pes topic is more active, but i see this trend over celebrating everything good in Fifa and understimating everything good that is in Pes.

Last year about Pes:" A football game without fouls is not a football games"
This year about Fifa:"Not a big deal"

 

[Madmac79]

You guys are maybe forgetting that Pes 2018 had a lot of other issues. It simply weren't just fouls, there was also botched individuality, little to none physicality, spacing and all those tactical problems related to defences retracting and so on. Just the few on top of my head. There was a big stress on the lack of fouls, sure, but I'm also 100% sure that if the other stuff I mentioned wasn't in that state the whole judgement would have been different.

I don't know why we are talking about it here anyway, there is the contrast thread just for this kind of discussions. Lack of fouls in Fifa 19 has been pointed out and admitted enough by practically everybody who plays it. Evidently there are other sides of the game that make it still very enjoyable for who likes it.

 

[majuh]

The obvious difference is that PES 2018 had fouls, but they simply hadn't been called by the broken referees. In FIFA 19 on the other hand, most fouls are being called correctly, it's just that there are not enough collisions in general.

 

[Chris Davies]

Last year about Pes:" A football game without fouls is not a football games"
This year about Fifa:"Not a big deal"

This has already been discussed fairly recently... The people saying "it's not a game-breaker" in FIFA now are by-and-large the ones who weren't complaining about it in PES, either - or at least (as @Madmac79 has just said), it was one problem in a pile of bigger gameplay issues*, so it wasn't a deal-breaker to some of us. (Just like it's not a deal-breaker to those same guys in FIFA.)

*The stuff like all ball contact being 100% perfect and all shots being piledrivers ruin the game (for some of us) long before a lack of fouls do - so some of us weren't complaining about fouls, because there were "bigger fish to fry".

That said, nobody is arguing that fouls in FIFA aren't an issue. They clearly are - there's no delusion about it.

It amazes me how people are desperate to push this angle, that poor old PES gets bullied and nobody will hear a bad word said about FIFA. How many times has it been said that it's too easy against the AI too (possibly because "form" in Career Mode gives your players such a big boost), therefore ruining the game entirely?

 

[Madmac79]

There is plenty of criticism (that I personally NOT completely agree with, let's be clear) for Fifa indeed. The difficulty, the player models, the career, the animations (this one in particularly, with the same 2-3 people poking stabs - to me personally way exaggerated- at it regularly).

I seriously can't see where this "for Fifa it's all a bed of roses" rant comes from, sometimes it almost sounds like somebody is bothered to see some other enjoying it the same. W/E

 

[Placebo]

It won't be on consoles until next week, I've edited the post to reflect that.

We need @Placebo and co to let us know what it's like (in the PC thread)...

Only played one match but seems fine, was raining and my keeper made a nasty fumble on a low cross which looked quite real and the CPU (Arsenal) made a few quite human mistakes, their passing seemed completely devoid of tiki-taka which you'd kind of expect from Arsenal but I'm not complaining! I won 2-0 but I am in very good form and do have a really good squad these days (Professional, manual, tweaked sliders, yadda, yadda).

 

[Gunslinger]

The lack of fouls in FIFA 19 is disappointing, but the game is so good and does so much right, I can turn a blind eye to it this year. I hope there's more in FIFA 20 though.

 

[bluewomble88]

The lack of fouls in FIFA 19 is disappointing, but the game is so good and does so much right, I can turn a blind eye to it this year. I hope there's more in FIFA 20 though.

Aren’t EA meant to be fixing it in a patch?

 

[Chris Davies]

Aren’t EA meant to be fixing it in a patch?

There was a tweet by one of their community guys saying they were aware of it, so you would hope they'll implement something at some point. But there's no guarantee, sadly.

 

[hitmanuk]

The lack of fouls in FIFA 19 is disappointing, but the game is so good and does so much right, I can turn a blind eye to it this year. I hope there's more in FIFA 20 though.

it's genuinely great that people accept this but I don't know how. Fouls are as important as tactics. They change and influence games dramatically .

 

[Ameppe]

that poor old PES gets bullied

I'm a bit shocked you are simplifying things so much. Look at the actual situation, read the posts and you should agree with me.

I'm not defending Pes, it's the last thing i want to do (and you should know my opinion about Pes in general and Pes 2019 in particular), i'm just saying that some people on this forum are easily satisfied by Fifa, even with its glowing flaws and are ready to declare it one of the best football games ever, while with Pes, (maybe because there are much more people that talk about it i don't know), it seems every little flaw is the end of the world.

If someone would read the majority of posts in both topics one would think Pes is one of the worst games ever, while Fifa one of the best, but this is far from the truth.

They are both good games (neither is great) with their own strenght and flaws.

 

[Chris Davies]

Fouls are as important as tactics.

I can't say I agree with this statement - which is the point, I suppose, we all have different priorities.

Football without tactics is just 20 outfield players running after the ball in a clump - whereas football without fouls... Well, sometimes a match doesn't have many fouls.

100% not excusing it - and I hope they increase AI aggression at some point, because fouls are sorely missed.

 

[Ameppe]

it's genuinely great that people accept this but I don't know how. Fouls are as important as tactics. They change and influence games dramatically .

True, lack of fouls is a big flaw of a football game. It's bad for a game like Fifa 19 with the supposedly most improved elements being physicality and 50/50 battles. That should have brought more fouls, not less.

 

[hitmanuk]

I can't say I agree with this statement - which is the point, I suppose, we all have different priorities.

Football without tactics is just 20 outfield players running after the ball in a clump - whereas football without fouls... Well, sometimes a match doesn't have many fouls.

100% not excusing it - and I hope they increase AI aggression at some point, because fouls are sorely missed.

I said it because there are lots of tactical fouls, look at the likes of man Utd. They foul up the field to prevent counter attacks and break the flow up.

 

[Madmac79]

Again. Plenty of critics in this topic and in the other. As I already pointed out above, moreover. This image of Fifa portrayed as the perfect game it's only in your head.

 

[Peter Withe]

I'm with @hitmanuk on this. The lack of tactical fouls [and fouls full stop] has a huge impact on my enjoyment with Career Mode this year.

I played again on my Reading save yesterday which I am enjoying to a certain extent...some of the games hardly stop because there are simply no or not enough fouls. Its an immersion killer. One of my favourite things to plan out and execute in football gaming are the free kicks. There are none, or again, not enough. It's ridiculous and really spoiling the game for me.

I'm astonished that EA have f**ked up so much on this front in FIFA 19. I'm really missing getting fouled by the CPU and can't see me playing this all year long unless it's patched.

@Madmac79 is right too. No one in here is suggesting that FIFA 19 is perfect, it's far from it.

I'm actually finding it quite a clunky and sluggish game the more I play of it.

 

[Chris Davies]

One of my favourite things to plan out and execute in football gaming are the free kicks.

I have to admit, one of my favourite moments with the game this year was hitting a free kick using the "target" system (which I hated at first) to the far post, controlling the centre back and timing his run to absolutely obliterate the defenders and power a header into the corner.

It was one of those moments where the fact that you've scored was decidedly down to your idea, your input and your execution (rather than just "I pressed shoot and it flew in without me really meaning it to go where it went"), so it felt fantastic.

As much as I can put up with the lack of fouls, I think that's what we're all doing - "putting up with it".

Weirdly, I was drawing a few fouls in the early release of the game, using the knockahead stick against slow defenders (my first game had a red card for the AI, I remember it now because I remember feeling elated, because it was exactly what I'd planned).

But since then I feel like there's less each time - but it's probably placebo.

 

[Peter Withe]

I have to admit, one of my favourite moments with the game this year was hitting a free kick using the "target" system (which I hated at first) to the far post, controlling the centre back and timing his run to absolutely obliterate the defenders and power a header into the corner.

As much as I can put up with the lack of fouls, I think that's what we're all doing - "putting up with it".

Weirdly, I was drawing a few fouls in the early release of the game, using the knockahead stick against slow defenders (my first game had a red card for the AI, I remember it now because I remember feeling elated, because it was exactly what I'd planned).

But since then I feel like there's less each time - but it's probably placebo.

I'm sure there were far more fouls in the beta?

 

[Chris Davies]

I'm sure there were far more fouls in the beta?

I didn't get into the beta this year - but I was playing the EA Access version and as I say, I was drawing the AI into a few fouls using the knockahead stick. (Nowhere near a realistic amount, though. But more.)

I wonder if there's been a slight pace increase or something, which has had the knock-on effect of making attacking players get out-of-reach of defenders more easily.

I'm (rather stupidly) hoping that the new patch's changes (defending making less difference to attackers when it's from the sides or from behind) will A) make AI defenders "need" to take risks and slide in (leading to more fouls), and/or B) make AI attacks more difficult to stop (making the game more difficult).

@Placebo, I know Red Dead is brilliant but your community needs you over here!

 

[Placebo]

@Placebo, I know Red Dead is brilliant but your community needs you over here!

LOL sorry it's going to get worse today as the PS4 Pro should finally arrive so I'll have a PS4 permanently sat on my desk and I'll be even less likely to play Fifa for the next couple of weeks, I guess it means I'll finish RDR sooner, although I have Assassin's Creed: Odyssey waiting to resume playing when I do my Black Friday Ryzen upgrade

 

[mfmaxpower]

it's genuinely great that people accept this but I don't know how. Fouls are as important as tactics. They change and influence games dramatically .

I think everyone agrees that fouls are important. But there's a lot that's important when it comes to replicating the sport and both games are lacking in certain areas. We just pick and choose what's most important to us and which flavor of football we prefer.

Granted I've not played PES since it's been patched, but I preferred FIFA over PES this year because while the lack of fouls is frustrating, PES's poor AI, defensive positioning, and the way the game is utilizing stats in recent years, are a few examples of important areas - to me - that pushed me away.

I think the other thing to consider too about fouls is that while fouls can have a critical and determining role on match outcomes, whether it be through a penalty kick or cards or through just a quality shooting opportunity from a spot kick, fouls are relatively marginal in the overall flow of gameplay (and it's not as if we can't foul if we so chose for tactical reasons, while fouls by the CPU aren't entirely absent from the game). And so it's a little easier to not be so bothered by it compared with something like core gameplay mechanics, like AI or how stats are working, which can influence just about every moment of gameplay.

Also, no one should get there hopes up about fouls being fixed in a patch. It was just like this in the beta, and the fact that fouls have been lacking for years now indicates that the issue is bigger than a simple patch fix. And let's be real - fouls are only an issue in the single player game and EA are not going to devote much effort to the fix unless it's super simple and easy. And if it was simple and easy, we wouldn't still be talking about it as an issue like we are.

 

[hitmanuk]

Having another go at this for a change and made some radical slider adjustments to try and make it flow like pes. Enjoyed an international cup game and got 5 fouls. Will do some more tests

 

[rockstrongo]

Decided to give this another go,and I'm having fun,I'm gonna leave out what bothers me etc,it's been discussed before.
But why does some stadiums look like this (the gray part between the two sections) this is Turf moor,so far I've seen it at London Stadium as well!

Is it because EA inserts CL/EL logos there?




If it's been discussed before,feel free to delete,but since I haven't been to active here,I'm out of the loop

 

[hitmanuk]

I can't understand why they've locked match time selection in the options before kick off

 

[Chris Davies]

The latest update is now rolling out to consoles.

For more info, here's the pitch notes article (although I'm currently getting a 500 error)...

 

[DerleiPT]

here is link:

https://www.ea.com/games/fifa/fifa-19/news/fifa-19-pitch-notes-patch-3?isLocalized=true

Still no faces for cardiff,Wolves and Fulham . We have to wait until squad update is released :/

 

[pepper63]

They updated some Cardiff faces on last update.

 

[majuh]

I spent some time with the new Kick Off House Rules modes and the AI actually plays differently there. In Long Range mode, they go for shots from outside the box; in Headers & Volleys mode, they try to get the ball up in the air; and in No Rules mode, the strikers try to move behind the defensive line, which makes the defense drop back in turn.

 

[DerleiPT]

not yet for ps4 users , squad update is needed to see new faces .

 

[Emroth]

I said to myself ill come back to it when they sort the physicallity and fouls out. I know they are working on it, as they had few Tweats about it.
Anyway, i kicked it off just to play few games.
And coming from Pes19 into this I cant help myself but wonder - what happend with Fifa this year in terms of graphics??
I dont understand why this subject is not been discussed on Twitter...
If you compare F18 and F19 - F18 lools like a newer game. Pitch, colours, everything is better there. F19 is all washed out, there is too much colours and pitch looks awful..

Close ups are fine, but once camera goes back to normal match, it looks... awful...
Pes18 looked crap. It was cartoonish and stiff. Fifa18 looked great.
It almost looks like this year they decided to switch and Pes looks great, while FIFA went few years back...
Unless Im going mad and it just me...