Fifa 12 Career Mode Discussions

I'm in my 6th season and there were about 5 or 6 in England that I saw, IMO too many, in my Prem now there are Newcastle, Blackburn, Stoke who were all taken over and have first 11's to rival any of the real world top 4, eg Stoke just signed Chicarito.
 
I'm in my 4th season and I think there have been 2 so far Blackburn and Sunderland I think. Although both haven't done much.

Blackburn look like they have bought a few Man city players.

Ibrahimovic was at Blackburn and now Spurs.
 
Tottenham announced as about to be taken over as well so that's 4-5 super rich joining the existing 5-6 with loads of money, and despite Wednesday sustaining their Premier status with finishes in the top 6 ever season my finances are still extremely low, basically around £20m to spend per season :(
 
For me, the transfers are pretty out of control on CM. My friend has a CM going with Chelsea, he's in his fourth season, and most big teams squads are totally unrecognizable, for example Man City have only Balotelli as a striker, yet they have 6, yes 6, left backs, all signed for big money (except Clichy and Bridge who were already there). In one game against them they played Ramires and Bridge up front. For me this spoils the whole long game experience, as it is just so unrealistic. On the theme of takeovers, again on my friends Chelsea CM, Everton were taken over by a consortium and proceeded to bid 110 million for Romelu Lukaku. Not really buying that I'm afraid!
 
This has pretty much screwed up career mode for me then. The transfers just stop me getting engrossed into the game for some reason, and I just stick to 1 v 1 or online play. Hopefully, its altered for Fifa 13, since the CM used to be get all my attention.
 
I haven't seen anything as bad as 6LB's, the worst I've seen is once I played Chelsea and their 2 CB's were Essien and Mikel due to injuries/suspensions, there certainly isn't enough AI planning in terms of building a squad with the correct cover in the correct places but I find really bad things like this a rarity, considering Man Utd have used Carrick at CB a number of times, considering Newcastle had to use Simpson at CB a couple of times these sort of rarities aren't completely out of the realms of possibility.

One thing I've noticed is that 9 times out of 10 when a team sells a big name player they sign a replacement right away (I often notice that on the transfer bar on the right).
 
I haven't played anywhere near as much but I kind of found the opposite with some clubs. I noticed Man Utd kept flogging off half their team and still haven't replaced any of them. They sold Vidic, Rooney, Chicharito and Evra and only signed Modric. Though I did think Rooney going to Man City was quite a nice touch....
 
The transfers have definitely improved since the days of 09 and 10, which were just downright silly, I remember once selling Ibrahimovic to Grasshoppers for 36 million on Fifa 10, which plain ruined it for me. Lack of planning is definitelythe issue, playing Man It's just isn't the same when they've got Kean and Park Ji Sung up front, and two keepers on the bench.
 
IRL transfers seem to be more regular in the lower leagues than the big boys, and I guess if we'd had this in FIFA a few years ago (when teams treated money like water) it probably wouldn't be as noticeable.

It always seems to be a few teams that have major changes - in my CM 4th season:
Man Utd have bought in some but sold more (maybe some realism there with having no money!)
Chelsea have spent big on strikers but have an aging midfield.
Arsenal & Liverpool haven't changed much apart from a couple of big money defenders (L'pool have Maicon, Marcelo, Dann & Cahill to add to the original defence)
City are City & spending as much as possible - they just sold Pato & signed Ozil...
Villa, Tottenham & Bolton have the most changed starting XIs

I have noticed quite a few players returning to their original club after a few years. Tevez to City, Nasri & Clichy to Arsenal are the first ones I can remember. Has anyone else noticed any?
 
Chelsea were really easy to play against for a couple of seasons as they had Cole at LB and Malouda at LW both of which had lost their pace so I simply played my fastest RB and RW against them and destroyed them down that side, sadly they've now replaced both with mid 80s pacy players so they're back to destroying me again!
 
I did pretty well against Chelsea in my first season, they normally hammer me but on one occasion at St James' Park they just didn't turn up and I beat them 3-0. That was really odd: their passing was all over the place and their defending/marking was non existant. They still got me back though by beating me 2-1 in the FA Cup Semi Final with an injury time long range goal :( Heartbreaking!

Chelsea then signed Lavezi and he ended up finishing top of the scoring charts, but he destroys me every time I have to play against him, his speed and acceleration are insane, he just skates through my defence. Aguero is the only other player I've faced who can do that so easily. I've only played with Newcastle in CM so far so I've not had a chance to witness the likes of Messi and co in a competetive game.....
 
Placebo said:
Tottenham announced as about to be taken over as well so that's 4-5 super rich joining the existing 5-6 with loads of money, and despite Wednesday sustaining their Premier status with finishes in the top 6 ever season my finances are still extremely low, basically around £20m to spend per season :(
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£20m per season seems like a lot to me for Sheffield Wednesday... The ownership is basically giving you all the winnings from your high premier league finish and keeping nothing for themselves as profit... sounds pretty generous to me!
 
Placebo said:
Tottenham announced as about to be taken over as well so that's 4-5 super rich joining the existing 5-6 with loads of money, and despite Wednesday sustaining their Premier status with finishes in the top 6 ever season my finances are still extremely low, basically around £20m to spend per season :(
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Placebo makes a good point imo, I played a season as Charlton, signed some good youngsters but mostly loan players from higher leagues, and got promoted with relative ease. When I began the next season in the Championship I was pretty disappointed to only be given 4 million to spend and an extra 12 grand to spend on wages, and because most of my loan players had gone back to their parent clubs I was left with a skeleton squad and no means to improve it. I appreciate it would be unrealistic to get an absolute fortune to spend but it almost seems to disincentivize playing as a lower league team. I've considered, although it would be a total cheat, to put an unwanted player such as Tevez at my lower league team of choice, then sell him immediately and spend the money on improving my team? Is this frowned upon?
 
I don't know, but I've considered it as well. Gaining promotion doesn't give you much, and it still seems your team doesn't ever have the prestige to sign bigger names assuming you somehow have the funds.
 
Brenaldinho said:
Placebo makes a good point imo, I played a season as Charlton, signed some good youngsters but mostly loan players from higher leagues, and got promoted with relative ease. When I began the next season in the Championship I was pretty disappointed to only be given 4 million to spend and an extra 12 grand to spend on wages, and because most of my loan players had gone back to their parent clubs I was left with a skeleton squad and no means to improve it. I appreciate it would be unrealistic to get an absolute fortune to spend but it almost seems to disincentivize playing as a lower league team. I've considered, although it would be a total cheat, to put an unwanted player such as Tevez at my lower league team of choice, then sell him immediately and spend the money on improving my team? Is this frowned upon?
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Well, I think it's pretty rare in real life for ownership to splash the cash to their manager for gaining promotion into the Championship. It's not like the club is going to see some huge jump in profits... I'm sure there is a slight increase in TV revenue and prize money at the higher level, but I doubt there would be a huge increase in revenue any where else. If the owner isn't already a sugar daddy, I don't see where all the cash investment would come from.

Also, if your success the previous season was built around loan players who have all departed, what expectation should ownership have that you are going to stay up?

I don't think it's unrealistic to get an extra £4m from the previous season's profits. I think lower division clubs make most of their big profits from selling players to the higher divisions in real life, until promotion into the Premier League level. And even then, it still takes the whole season to actually make the profits... that's why staying up is so hard, it's difficult to get the investment money to spend to compete with the established clubs.

That said, if you want to "cheat" to create a fictitious cash investment I don't think you should feel it's wrong in any sense. It's your career mode and you have to imagine the "story" behind it anyway. So your story is that you get some big shot to buy your club and pump a bunch of cash into it. Sounds completely plausible and fun to me. Go for it.

What would be nice, is if your continued success lured a new owner to the team with deep pockets. It would be nice if the user's club could be taken over by some huge moneybags once in a while. That would be a nice challenge, and they could make it interesting by upping the board expectations big time with the new owners.
 
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EatonTJ said:
£20m per season seems like a lot to me for Sheffield Wednesday... The ownership is basically giving you all the winnings from your high premier league finish and keeping nothing for themselves as profit... sounds pretty generous to me!
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Sustained Premier League status (5th season in a row)
3 League Cups won (in a row)
2 FA Cups won
European football every season
1 European Trophy won (can't remember which one)
2 Charity Shields
1 Euro Cup Winners Cup or whatever that one is called!

And still only 13-15m exra transfer funds a year on top of what I earn from the league position? Naah they're being tight!! ;)
 
How can you not think 20 million is a shitload of money for a club as Sheffield Wednesday? You're probably playing at professional or lower, with the board difficulty set just as low, if you're complaining about 20 million... Why don't you move up to World Class or something if you're winning all these trophies with Wednesday?
 
Right, I think I'm going to start a CM with Bradford, a fairly local team fallen on hard times, and give them Tevez, sell him and see what I can do with the money, hopefully taking them all the way back up to the prem! But no Benito Carbones this time... I'll let you know how I get on!
 
BobbyBox said:
It hasn't done you any harm having less funds obviously :PP
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True, but I'd still like more! And despite those trophies I haven't ever been offered a big job anywhere either, not that I'd take it but it's the thought that counts!

Homey D. Clown said:
How can you not think 20 million is a shitload of money for a club as Sheffield Wednesday? You're probably playing at professional or lower, with the board difficulty set just as low, if you're complaining about 20 million... Why don't you move up to World Class or something if you're winning all these trophies with Wednesday?
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I'm sure you didn't intend to come across quite so bitchy...

Anyways, I'm not basing it on the name of the club, who I'm with is just an example, any club that has enjoyed the same amount of success in real life to what I achieved in Fifa would have more to spend than 20 million, and that's total you know, if I adjust it to 50/50 it's more like £10m and 200k per week in wages, how many premier league quality players will that buy? The only reason I have money to spend is because I abuse the free transfer and youth academy systems (last season I signed a free transfer that I sold 4 months later for £10m in the January window). If I only spent what the board give me for transfers I would never have been able to earn the revenue I have from cups/league positions.

Never hid what level I play on, if you'd ever bothered to read this thread rather than jumping on my comments, I play all manual on professional and I believe the board's on the same, but how exactly does that make your point? Surely if the board's on such an easy level as you imply I should get more money to spend? ;)
 
Placebo said:
True, but I'd still like more! And despite those trophies I haven't ever been offered a big job anywhere either, not that I'd take it but it's the thought that counts!



I'm sure you didn't intend to come across quite so bitchy...

Anyways, I'm not basing it on the name of the club, who I'm with is just an example, any club that has enjoyed the same amount of success in real life to what I achieved in Fifa would have more to spend than 20 million, and that's total you know, if I adjust it to 50/50 it's more like £10m and 200k per week in wages, how many premier league quality players will that buy? The only reason I have money to spend is because I abuse the free transfer and youth academy systems (last season I signed a free transfer that I sold 4 months later for £10m in the January window). If I only spent what the board give me for transfers I would never have been able to earn the revenue I have from cups/league positions.

Never hid what level I play on, if you'd ever bothered to read this thread rather than jumping on my comments, I play all manual on professional and I believe the board's on the same, but how exactly does that make your point? Surely if the board's on such an easy level as you imply I should get more money to spend? ;)
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I remember in past Football Manager games (I haven't played one the last few years, it could still be a feature) you could give the ownership an ultimatum for more money or you'd quit. Maybe EA needs to add that for you.

I also wouldn't say you are "abusing" the transfer by selling your youth players. You did spend all the money to buy the scouts and contract the player... so you only promoted them to sell them... so what? That's just capitalizing on your investment... so I don't think it's unfair to sell off your youth players you don't want.

The idea of "abusing" the system in relation to free agents makes a little more sense, but only because the market retains no "memory" of how you sell off your free agents. Acquiring a free agent and selling them off (even for a big profit) happens regularly in real life (craziest example off the top of my head is Vitória de Guimarães signing Bébé for free, then selling him to Manchester United 5 weeks later for £7.4 million... or some amount thereabouts.) It only feels a bit like "cheating" to me because although it happens in real life with some frequency over the entire market, it's not the same club signing and selling over and over again like it can be in FIFA.

It's not like it's a fair transfer market to begin with. It's not like you can ever buy a CPU player for below market value (at least I've never been able to), even if they are at the end of their contract. You can never make inquiries into how much a club wants for a player... and if you offer their market value, a team can become so enraged that they will refuse to take offers from you, even when you'd be willing to spend huge amounts of money... all which doesn't make much sense. Hell, a few days ago I was forced to revert to an older save (something I try to never do as it takes all the fun out of transfer dealings... not getting players can be as much fun as getting players) when Man City and I (Liverpool) were both in for Wilshere (demanding a transfer for some reason) and although I thought I had won the bidding war, he ended up at Man City. Losing him to Man City wasn't the problem, but the fact that all my transfer money was taken (I somehow lost him to Man City after "confirming" his contract) which I assume was a glitch.

To try and get back on point, I think the transfer market is the best it has been in a FIFA game, but certainly not without it's fault. The only reason for my last few posts is that I actually found the budgets of lower league clubs staying small despite on the field success was actually very realistic and an area I thought FIFA was doing well.
 
I've managed to buy a couple of players at below market value because they were transfer listed, Caulker was listed by Spurs last season and I got him for £1m or £500k less which I was really pleased with as I needed a young CB and obviously he has good potential, the most annoying thing as you mention is that sometimes when a club turns down your 2nd offer they simply refuse to negotiate again that window which is annoying and stupid.

I do tend to revert my saves on deadline day as it's so annoying the way it works, Henriksen my highest rated player suddenly out of nowhere handed in a transfer request, so I listed him (he's valued at £15m but I had a figure of £20m in mind as minimum because the board said it was up to me), went through 8 hours of the window and Man Utd finally offered £21m but then it was too late to find an alternative because you're not allowed to bid on players you don't have the funds for, which again is stupid because it should take into account bids received or such, so window ends and he's still mine, offer him a 5% payrise and he agrees to stay and is all happy again, so ended up quite a bit like the Rooney situation last year!
 
Placebo said:
I've managed to buy a couple of players at below market value because they were transfer listed, Caulker was listed by Spurs last season and I got him for £1m or £500k less which I was really pleased with as I needed a young CB and obviously he has good potential, the most annoying thing as you mention is that sometimes when a club turns down your 2nd offer they simply refuse to negotiate again that window which is annoying and stupid.

I do tend to revert my saves on deadline day as it's so annoying the way it works, Henriksen my highest rated player suddenly out of nowhere handed in a transfer request, so I listed him (he's valued at £15m but I had a figure of £20m in mind as minimum because the board said it was up to me), went through 8 hours of the window and Man Utd finally offered £21m but then it was too late to find an alternative because you're not allowed to bid on players you don't have the funds for, which again is stupid because it should take into account bids received or such, so window ends and he's still mine, offer him a 5% payrise and he agrees to stay and is all happy again, so ended up quite a bit like the Rooney situation last year!
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I used to do the same thing and restart when those sorts of things happen, but now I play through them. Firstly, because I think that putting the player to those sorts of decisions is by design, because I get big offers for one of my best players near the end of every transfer window... that's probably not a coincidence.

Second, I think the way you handled it (by offering him a better contract) is an alternative solution that a real-world manager could do, and I think that's a neat way to play the game.

I suspect (because I also have Henriksen, he gives me cover at CB and CDM) that Henriksen is probably not on the same wages he'd be getting at a higher club so that's a neat way for that situation to work itself out.
 
Is there a transfer window update coming soon for CM? I presume there is. Might need to start another CM in that case......getting a bit bored of my Newcastle mid table mediocrity now ;)

I'm considering using a team like Brighton or Sheffield Wednesday. A team with a huge history and potential, someone I can guide back to the big time!
 
Yep there's one being worked on, hopefully Wednesday players will be edited to be more accurate data wise (I submitted a bunch of suggestions) so we should in theory be useful to play with ;)

I was wondering if the manager's of teams will be updated as well? Would be quite stupid to start a new CM and have Neil Warnock still at QPR for example...
 
Have been having a quick look through the threads for ideas, have started several seasons as Leeds on legendary (which i have used in the past & coped), after clearing the dead wood out, of which there is plenty I can bring in a few 75ish overalls in including the loanees & a couple of oldies, I've now had more P45's than Peter Ried & find it unrealistic getting the run around from a yoevil or hereford midfield with 57 overall.
Dropped down to WC & am just outside the playoffs & still in the L.Cup in late November, more enjoyable by far. I am fully assisted exept keeper & shooting, I don't wan't to start sweeping all before me & may not(I am Leeds afterall), I would like to make things progresively harder without making the jump to back to legendary. Would I be better adjusting the slide bars as or if I improve or pariodically moving from assisted to semi in the diffrent departments......Ideas please
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Personally I find the AI annoying the higher up I go so I prefer to make the game more difficult with a combination of controller settings (all manual) and slider settings (closer AI marking and such) rather than raising the skill level, right now I've found a decent balance where I can play on Professional with all manual controls but it's still a decent challenge, my Wednesday team is now 4.5* so can hold their own against most similar teams but I can still get turned over by the elite teams and when I do squad rotation I can still get turned over by much lesser teams, last night I put a 2nd string out in the Euro league and lost 5-2 to a less than stellar opponent.
 
Beat Man City in cup then notched the CPU sliders up to 52 with the exeption of shot & pass error (down to 48)then millwall put 5 past me, afterwards I struggled against Blackpool & got 3-niled v. hull, surely those couple of notches don't make to much difference??
 
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