Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3
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mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
I'm not sure what you mean... are you saying you hear EA are already working on gameplay tweaks, or are you saying that they have already done so with the server-side update system?
Rutter tweeted that the last update didn't change gameplay at all. Meanwhile everyone has a different opinion on the official forums about what's going on, with most opinions being about gameplay speed, some saying it's now faster, others saying it's slower.
There have now been two updates: 1.01 and 1.02, I believe. Update 1.01 was available at release and I think most agree it changed gameplay. If the second update changed the gameplay, I surely haven't noticed much of a difference. Of course, I can only speak for offline.
I would love it if EA were serious about improving the gamplay post release, but hopefully you'll forgive me if I wait to see it to believe it.
I think the reason is that when online gameplay works - when the stars and moons align perfectly I guess - the gameplay shines in a way that single player can't because of the limited CPU AI. I've just had too many bad experiences to make it worth putting up with all the crap, whether it's issues with the game or issues with other players. But there's a lot of guys out there who aren't interested in going back to single player, and online gaming is only going to keep getting bigger.
PC gameplay is actually FIFA 10 console gameplay I believe, so it doesn't have this year's big new feature additions, like P+ and PP. Maybe someone else can confirm.
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
The game doesn't need to be patched to change the gameplay. It's done in the same way as squad updates.
I meant that users who are playing the game regularly have complained to me and to Fodder that they've changed the game and it doesn't feel nearly as good to them. I believe he said it was great last week but is really pissed off at it now - one of the guys then went on to play the PES demo for a bit. Doubt he'll stick with it as he's hardcore manual.
There's definitely something being changed. I saw it before the game was released as did others independently, and now more people are noticing differences without being asked whether they do or not.
We all know that EA have said they arent changing the gameplay and yet there seems to have been noticeable changes that have led people to comment, knowing EA's stance. If they really arent doing anything on purpose (that they don't see to be fixes rather than tweaks) then you have to wonder why this is. In a game up to it's neck in bugs in all areas I wonder if something funny is going on with the behind the scenes tech in the same way - but then, the gameplay changes aren't leading to anything obviously mentally wrong, as you'd expect from a full on bug. So it is hard to see how it could be anything like that.
I agree that the bug list may well cause them to spend little time on 'luxuries' like tuning the game. But there will be a point where they'll have to call time on bug fixing due tithe same reasons as last year, at which point maybe tweaks will be given a bit more work.
I meant that users who are playing the game regularly have complained to me and to Fodder that they've changed the game and it doesn't feel nearly as good to them. I believe he said it was great last week but is really pissed off at it now - one of the guys then went on to play the PES demo for a bit. Doubt he'll stick with it as he's hardcore manual.
There's definitely something being changed. I saw it before the game was released as did others independently, and now more people are noticing differences without being asked whether they do or not.
We all know that EA have said they arent changing the gameplay and yet there seems to have been noticeable changes that have led people to comment, knowing EA's stance. If they really arent doing anything on purpose (that they don't see to be fixes rather than tweaks) then you have to wonder why this is. In a game up to it's neck in bugs in all areas I wonder if something funny is going on with the behind the scenes tech in the same way - but then, the gameplay changes aren't leading to anything obviously mentally wrong, as you'd expect from a full on bug. So it is hard to see how it could be anything like that.
I agree that the bug list may well cause them to spend little time on 'luxuries' like tuning the game. But there will be a point where they'll have to call time on bug fixing due tithe same reasons as last year, at which point maybe tweaks will be given a bit more work.
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SilverSpider
League 2
- 7 April 2003
Fair enough, I get what you are saying mate and I agree online is getting bigger in developers priorities, maybe too big in my opinion.
I also know what you mean about them craving playing humans as opposed to AI and I do get their motivation for that, but to me it just seems a shallow mode at times playing random humans in one off games with controls that are laggier and slower to respond than SP ?
No transfers, No taking a club to promotion, none of the stuff that makes a lot of us tick about single player.
Ah well each to their own and all that, just hope the EA devs remember that gaming since the dawn of it's creation has been about delivering a solid lasting, engrossing single player ... mind you we are not even getting that with the amount of bugs and hiccups since launch.
Think next year in an ideal world we would all be better buying FIFA 12 a month or two after it's release at which point it's likely to be cheaper and have had it's modes patched up to a playable state, certinaly looks like it's going to be that way this year.
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
I guess you're saying what I'm saying - we basically have no fucking clue what's going on.
I know the game doesn't need patches now (though it certainly could use a few!). The 1.01 and 1.02 updates are what I thought to be the squad updates. Upon the first time loading the PS3 version, you're forced to download the 1.02 update. On 360 I don't remember being forced to do anything, but rather I updated by downloading the most recent squad file. I'm not sure that I've manually downloaded any squad updates on my PS3 version (I have both).
I guess my point was that there's so many different opinions on gameplay going around, and you have Rutter's tweets about the last update, that I'm just going to wait until we hear something official from EA to believe anything about tweaks. And then of course I won't believe them either so...
@silverspider (like that name by the way): you're not alone man, you're not alone. After two years of crap MM/CM modes, I'll only have myself to blame if I buy FIFA 12 only to be disappointed again. To be honest it might be back to PES for me just because of FIFA's single player offline experience.
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nerf
Forming triangles
I struggle to imagine what EA would stand to gain from lying about gameplay changes, to make some and then claim that they haven't. What would be the logic? If they had, surely they would want us to know that they're active in tweaking and improving the game post-release. So in that sense I believe them.
Plus some gamers tend to have over-active imaginations. People used to download mere squad updates for FIFA09/FIFA10 and then start comments with: "is it me, or..."
Plus some gamers tend to have over-active imaginations. People used to download mere squad updates for FIFA09/FIFA10 and then start comments with: "is it me, or..."
Trance_Allstar
I love lamp
- 18 March 2006
Well, I suppose the thought of game tweaks maybe happening a few weeks down the line is somewhat positive. The more I play the game though the more things I find that I really hate. Everything from the way the AI plays on World Class or above difficulty (and going below that means they usually don't shot when 1 on 1), to basic unrealistic movements for players, to the incredibly easy dispossessing from almost any angle.
Sat down last night and played some PES2011 demo on my own for the first time, and they have the basics down so much better, although I only played 4 games. I'm sure annoyances will creep in there aswell, but the excellent, more realistic tackling and pressure system in PES is reason alone for me to be even more depressed about FIFA.
All I really want is to play a game which looks like real football looks, but in almost every area I have to wonder what they actually modelled the game on? Whoever did the goalkeeper animations and programming screwed up, since the goalkeeper is WAY too good from mid and long range. Even poor goalkeepers have insane reflexes, and while there are some instances where they seem to react slower, it hurts my eyes to see a mid-range shot that travels from my foot past the goal line in about 1-1.5 seconds has the goalkeeper from a standing position being able to save the ball despite the ball missing by one meter. There is nothing realistic about the basic limitations for the goalkeepers. Also that animation that goalkeepers do when you try slowwing shots into the top corner, where they throw themselves to the side and use their nearest hand to reach diagonally up, that animation usually makes the goalkeeper slide almost 1 meter on the ground as the animation starts, meaning the goalkeeper cheats himself into getting 1 meter closer to the ball than he should, meaning he will reach the top corner when there should have been plenty of room to put a shot into the top corner.
Surely the animation designers can fix this with ease, so why is it still there?
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Don't worry mate, I already have. I didn't even read his reponse as it would just be a load of waffle. It's simple..If you like a game then play it, if you don't like it then don't play it. Why people have to come onto other forums to try and convert people or justify why they should be playing another game is just bizarre.
I have to agree with this Murkurial. Up until the other night I only played friends and manual players I'd met on forums. I decided to explore the unknown and to play a manual ranked match... well what a pile of wank!!! I played some guy from Italy (so connection wasn't great) but fuck me how can you pressure someone for 90 minutes and not get tired???? I just kept trying to pass the ball about and tire his players but to no avail.
I thought the reason people played with manual settings was to make the game more realistic? Applying 100% pressure for 90 minutes is not realistic, especially without the players becoming fatigued.
I love playing unranked games online but I don't think I'll bother venturing into ranked games again after that experience. Fucking pants!
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
I've only played ranked manual games and they have all been fine apart from 2 where they pressured alot. But the other games have been really good.
I don't really know why I play ranked manual though, because i get beat all the time
people are really good at manual. I have only met 1 guy that played at my level really. I thought there would be lots of shit players like me 
Hopefully I get better.
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
You're quite right - it could be that the game was always as bad as these people seem to think it is now, just that they and the people they play online are getting used to it.
I've only played ranked manual games and they have all been fine apart from 2 where they pressured alot. But the other games have been really good.
I don't really know why I play ranked manual though, because i get beat all the time
Hopefully I get better.
Oh ok, thanks for that. I might give it another shot then. Most people online have a 'win at all cost' mentality and I presumed manual players would have a different outlook.
Maybe they don't pressure you as they are winning most of the time?? LOL! Only joking mate, it's good to see you are persisting with it even though you lose more than you win.
I don't mind losing if I'm outplayed, from a piece of magic or if I've missed shit loads of chances. It just really fucked me off that the guy was charging towards my fullbacks with Drogba and Anelka, I'd pass it inside to my centreback and they would chase him too. Couple that with a slight button delay =
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
Oh ok, thanks for that. I might give it another shot then. Most people online have a 'win at all cost' mentality and I presumed manual players would have a different outlook.
Maybe they don't pressure you as they are winning most of the time?? LOL! Only joking mate, it's good to see you are persisting with it even though you lose more than you win.
I don't mind losing if I'm outplayed, from a piece of magic or if I've missed shit loads of chances. It just really fucked me off that the guy was charging towards my fullbacks with Drogba and Anelka, I'd pass it inside to my centreback and they would chase him too. Couple that with a slight button delay =
I'm not that shit
they had to play well to beat me 
That's the thing with manual, I would say 95% of the time I get beaten because the other team have played better. So you don't get as frustrated etc.
I'm just amazed at some people's accuracy with shooting on all manual, my accuracy is crap. So when I finally get a chance on goal, i miss
I'm not that shit
That's the thing with manual, I would say 95% of the time I get beaten because the other team have played better. So you don't get as frustrated etc.
I'm just amazed at some people's accuracy with shooting on all manual, my accuracy is crap. So when I finally get a chance on goal, i miss
Yeah! Yeah!
Yeah and that's how it should be mate. I'll definitely give it another go. I don't think living over here helps finding a decent game due to the time difference, plus I only get chance to play a 2 or 3 times a week.
I've played full manual now for around 18 months and my finishing still isn't great, I just try and hit the target. Some games I'll only create a few chances and I'll take them all but in other games I'll create a shit load of chances and miss every one! That's just football for you though!
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
How is the custom audio???
I know you read it, you just could not respond in a mature way! Just spout the usual nonsense without even trying to see where I'm coming from!
The reason i argue with you is that i don't understand your views, how they contradict so much?
I know you read it, you just could not respond in a mature way! Just spout the usual nonsense without even trying to see where I'm coming from!
The reason i argue with you is that i don't understand your views, how they contradict so much?
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Superb, just put custom chants in for the 4 English leagues, works great, haven't bothered with intro/goal music, just set the chants to be for all events.
mcruz
League 2
please i need help!!
when i use the tatic of changing sides, my full backs are changing positions...
i want that only my midfielders or forwards do this, not my defensive players...
is this possible?
is so unrealistic see my full backs changing positions...
when i use the tatic of changing sides, my full backs are changing positions...
i want that only my midfielders or forwards do this, not my defensive players...
is this possible?
is so unrealistic see my full backs changing positions...
Murkurial
League 1
- 21 August 2008
people are really good at manual. I have only met 1 guy that played at my level really. I thought there would be lots of shit players like me
I think it's more the fact that manual isn't really manual anymore. I may just be really good at it but I've noticed some fairly difficult passes that I don't have to really think too much about anymore that'll get to the target more often than not.
Seen a bit of ping ponging on manual as well.
The worst part by far is the pressure. I average someting like 60% possession in my games but playing that final ball over the top, or a through pass to a guy like Bastos never work even if you time it relatively well because the centerbacks can always catch up.
I passed the shit out of some guy who was playing with Sevilla and I don't think his players ever got tired as the game progressed. There also seems to be (and this definitely isn't a "does anyone else feel like..." comment) something weird and sluggish happening to the game. Only played one since I got on and I'm about to play another one now but there was a definite difference between the game today and few days ago. Didn't see a patch or anything so I'm not sure what it is. Maybe a one off as I was playing a guy in Germany but his play didn't seem to be affected too much.
EDIT: Wasn't a one off. Just played another guy who clearly couldn't play manual early on in the match but somehow got the hand of it midway through the first half. And his player (Spain) were about 10x faster than my players (France). Nothing wrong with my connection either.
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Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Are you sure about that? I use swap wings all the time and I've never seen my fullbacks swap, only the two wingers/wide midfielders swap, what formation are you using?
mcruz
League 2
yes placebo!!
unfortunetelly...
i use many formation, because i play with many teams...
but if you want a example, try to play with Santos (Brasil league) and use custom formation (4-3-3). if you try swap wings, the fullbacks will change their positions...
horrible stuff...
and i see many other teams that this shit happen...
the unique option that i have to have more variety in off the ball movement and the EA do this...
try with santos and post your impression please..
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
I'm not noticing manual being that much easier. If it is, then it is only slightly and I think it is with the better passers in the game. For instance passing with Fabregas is a bit easier.
I am going to put it down to more people having played manual for longer, so they are at a different level now? (although I feel like I am at the same level I was a year ago
)Most of the manual games I have played have been far from pressure fests, but some do go over the top every now and again. But the good outweighs the bad for me at the moment.
I haven't noticed the difference you had with the sluggishness etc
WILDSTER180774
Championship
@placebo, whatever copy of fifa11 you have got I want it as it seems to be the only copy in existence that has nothing wrong with it 
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
@placebo, whatever copy of fifa11 you have got I want it as it seems to be the only copy in existence that has nothing wrong with it
It has many things wrong with it including a ticker which cannot be turned off and ruins football results which means from next weekend I will be blocking EA servers in my firewall so I can play the game without having EPL scores ruined
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
How you guys finding chipping the goalies?
FIFA10 it was far too easy! FIFA11 too hard? I'm having almost zero success with it so far but I think I haven't fully gotten the hang of it....
FIFA10 it was far too easy! FIFA11 too hard? I'm having almost zero success with it so far but I think I haven't fully gotten the hang of it....
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
I think I've only scored 1 chip in 80 or so matches but then I don't try to score that way very often
Scutch
Futsal Master
@placebo, whatever copy of fifa11 you have got I want it as it seems to be the only copy in existence that has nothing wrong with it
I'm guilty of this one, too. Nothing of worthy note has bothered me, yet, either.
True, I find it frustrating sometimes that I can't beat a man using skill or dribbling, but I learn to work a way around it. I can now beat full backs using my wingers' pace, then deliver a decent cross into the box. Also releasing my strikers through the middle.
Still enjoying F11 Career Mode.
Murkurial
League 1
- 21 August 2008
I love it when you're beating the snot out of a guy (first time in I don't know how many matches that I've been able to score more than 1 goal) and the game disconnects. You don't get dropped from Xbox Live, and you're given a loss that ends your winning streak AND adds to your DNF%. I don't quit matches, and now it looks like I do.
This happened after the guy paused the game for no reason it seems. Wonder if he did anything.
This happened after the guy paused the game for no reason it seems. Wonder if he did anything.
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Arsenal
That is very annoying.
How do they do it? because surely it should work out whos side failed and then award them with the loss?
My DNF is 14% but I have never quit a match? so god knows how they work it out.
Every day I play the game resembles more and more Fifa 10. I started thinking it was Fifa 10.5, then Fifa 10.1. Now I think I'm playing Fifa 9.99.
I say this because the overall gameplay in single player is boring for me while online is almost the same game as last year. I mean, it's fun when I play the appropiate people, but that's it. Playing full manual there are the exact same complaints, flaws and problemas as last year. The exact gameplay, practically the same passes that work, same places where you can shoot and don't, etc...
2K has shown what can be done on a year, I won't be fooled again next year if they don't start leveling the gameplay and putting some dpeth.
I say this because the overall gameplay in single player is boring for me while online is almost the same game as last year. I mean, it's fun when I play the appropiate people, but that's it. Playing full manual there are the exact same complaints, flaws and problemas as last year. The exact gameplay, practically the same passes that work, same places where you can shoot and don't, etc...
2K has shown what can be done on a year, I won't be fooled again next year if they don't start leveling the gameplay and putting some dpeth.