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FC Barcelona Thread

LOL!!!!! quality. Try again next year barcelona.

BobbyBox said:
I think we will have to agree to disagree :))

I don't think they were arrogant or disrespectful for putting in low offers at all. If they just kept putting in offers then that is fine. They could have offered one pound and then we could have rejected it and so on.

It was everything else apart from the offers that was arrogant and disrespectful. Anyway I think our definitions of 'Arrogance' are differing :))

I really respect your views and you are definately more knowledgable about all things football than me. But there is no convincing me that Barca were not arrogant/disrespectful in what they did :))

I just hope he has a really outstanding season and we can win something with Fab and he can go to Barcelona and we are all happy :))
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Well said. great post. Been saying wroughly the same thing for months now but falling on death ears. Almost every arsenal fan will say the exact same thing as me and bobby about barcelona.

They are arrogant an show lack of respect. for fucksakes even chelsea fans agree with that.
 
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BobbyBox said:
I really respect your views and you are definately more knowledgable about all things football than me. But there is no convincing me that Barca were not arrogant/disrespectful in what they did :))
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then i guess i won't try anymore ;)
in "the merchant of venice" Shakespeare wrote a very famous line..... "love is blind". when u're in love with someone, u just can't see your loved one for what he really is. u can't notice his flaws, u can't admit his mistakes, u just get... blind.
i guess that also applies to fan, not only to lovers. :P
oh and btw bobby, i'm sure i'm not more knowledgeable than u in in anything concerning football. as a matter of fact, i haven't watched any sport news tv program in weeks, and i haven't bought a sport newspapers in months now. besides, this is not about knowledge. it's just conversation :))
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here ya go jumbo from the old Arsenal Thread
old ARSENAL Thread said:
Barcelona vice-president Sandro Rosell has admitted the club is furious to have lost star youngster Cesc Fabregas to Arsenal.
The 16 year-old signed a six-year contract with the Gunners this week and joins the London giants as an amateur.

22 August 03, 01:02
"We are very disappointed that our midfielder Cesc has signed for Arsenal for six years," said Rosell.

"We believed he had great potential at Barcelona."
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Ouch! apparently, according to that quote, what happened with fabregas, is exactly what happened with those other youngsters i mentioned before.
IF that's the case (and i still wouldn't be sure of it, coz that's just a quote from rosell, and i don't really trust that man), then Jumbo is most certainly right: this IS relevant. it actually makes it impossible for any neutral fan to even just sympathize with arsenal in this situation. if that's how arsenal got fabregas, with their usual dirty trick, then it's just laughable to blame barcelona for his approach in this negotiation, coz there's nothing barca could do to even just get even with arsenal (coz now barca can't obviously just get fabregas for free despite arsenal's will).
actually if i were barca's team director, i would just wait one season more and then take advantage of the infamous "FIFA rule 17" to force arsenal to release the player for 18 million euros...... and that would still be less arrogant, less unethical, less dirty than how arsenal got fabregas in first place.....and it sure wouldn't hurt arsenal to get a taste of their own medicine for once..... infact, now that i think aabout it, that might just be what barca board are planning to do.

...that assuming rosel's words are sincere, of course.
actually is there any spanish guy here who could shed some light on this? can under 18 sign a professional contract or an amateur contract?
 
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lo zio said:
then i guess i won't try anymore ;)
in "the merchant of venice" Shakespeare wrote a very famous line..... "love is blind". when u're in love with someone, u just can't see your loved one for what he really is. u can't notice his flaws, u can't admit his mistakes, u just get... blind.
i guess that also applies to fan, not only to lovers. :P
oh and btw bobby, i'm sure i'm not more knowledgeable than u in in anything concerning football. as a matter of fact, i haven't watched any sport news tv program in weeks, and i haven't bought a sport newspapers in months now. besides, this is not about knowledge. it's just conversation :))

Ouch! apparently, according to that quote, what happened with fabregas, is exactly what happened with those other youngsters i mentioned before.
IF that's the case (and i still wouldn't be sure of it, coz that's just a quote from rosell, and i don't really trust that man), then Jumbo is most certainly right: this IS relevant. it actually makes it impossible for any neutral fan to even just sympathize with arsenal in this situation. if that's how arsenal got fabregas, with their usual dirty trick, then it's just laughable to blame barcelona for his approach in this negotiation, coz there's nothing barca could do to even just get even with arsenal (coz now barca can't obviously just get fabregas for free despite arsenal's will).
actually if i were barca's team director, i would just wait one season more and then take advantage of the infamous "FIFA rule 17" to force arsenal to release the player for 18 million euros...... and that would still be less arrogant, less unethical, less dirty than how arsenal got fabregas in first place.....and it sure wouldn't hurt arsenal to get a taste of their own medicine for once..... infact, now that i think aabout it, that might just be what barca board are planning to do.

...that assuming rosel's words are sincere, of course.
actually is there any spanish guy here who could shed some light on this? can under 18 sign a professional contract or an amateur contract?
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Fabregas was at the club he supported all of his childhood, it was where he was born and all his family and friends were in Barcelona. He was trained from a very young age at Barcelona. Barcelona are one of the Biggest clubs in the world (if not thee biggest).

Do you think if Barcelona thought that highly of him at the time he would have moved to Arsenal?

I'm sure if Barcelona reassured Fabregas that he was in their plans etc then Fabregas would not have left.

Fabregas moved away from everything he knew to go to a foreign country at a very young age, why would he do that?

If Barcelona thought as much of Fab back when Arsenal got him, then I am sure he would have stayed with Barcelona.

I'm not saying Arsenal were in the right, but there is so much more to it than Arsenal stealing him.
 
yeah bobby, i agree with u. and that is why i find it hard to believe that the fabregas "acquisition" followed the same path of those other cases i mentioned before. and that is also why u can see that big bolded "IF" in my previous post.
this tactic usually works when there's a big gap between the club which gets screwed and the club which snatches the player. infact whenever arsenal tried to pull this off against another top club (it happened with juve and inter) they failed, as the player didn't turn his back on his club.

and obviously, as i already stated, a single quote from rosell isn't enough to say things went actually that way.
nontheless if that's what happened, this whole thing would be quite hilarious.... at least from a neutral point of view (i guess a barca fan wouldn't find it funny at all).

anyway bobby, it doesn't really matter, coz i absolutely didn't (and don't) mean to attack arsenal for his "strategies" or start a flame war. i took those arsenal "operations" (and, unlike the fabregas' case, i'm absolutely sure about how things went in those cases i mentioned), to show u how every club (even your club) always recurs to every possible trick to get the better terms in a deal (or, in arsenal's case, to bypass the deal itself and just snatch the player)....
bottom line my points were only the followings:
- there's no such thing as arrogance in a negotiation, as each party of a negotiation MUST act selfishly and arrogantly by definition (there's no negotiation otherwise).
- even if u wanna mix ethics with business (wich, i repeat,is not appropriate), then u shouldn't blame other clubs for trying to force your hands, when your club has done exactly the same thing to smaller teams (actually what arsenal has done is much much worse than just forcing other's clubs hands.... they took other club's youngsters for free). u just can't bully smaller dogs and then start crying when a bigger dog than u gives u a taste of your own medicine.

but then again, like u already explained, there's nothing i can possibly say that will change your mind on this topic, so i will just accept your point of view and move on. :)) afterall that's still the barca thread, so we should probably stop here before going too much off topic. ;)

anyway, does any of u guys know if there's an under 18 restriction for football player contracts in spain? and do u have any other info about the acquisition of fabregas from spain?
Jumbo? our barca fan friends in here? anyone? i'm quite curious on this one. :))
 
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Well, I use to hear Fab`s ppl wanted to leave when they opt. to sign messi instead of him. Just like Merida wanted to leave thinking Arsenal can make him a future where he didn`t see that at barca at the time. Then , Merida left arsenal on free n Barca didn`t want him even though he was a free agent lol .

Fab wasn`t the engineer to move it was his parents. Fab is use to everyone doing the engineering for his future. I also, read that fab`s agent n ppl started to engineer a move back to Barca n once again behind the backs of the club. Wenger got a wiff of it and was like WTF! you are not 16yrs old mate sit down let me explain to you how things work in this world. Next , thing you know FAB is like WOW I had the most deepest conversation in my life w/ Wenger lol .


We blame ,but forget to mention the most dangerous and most vile ppl on the planet "AGENTS" I believe when Matrix the movie was made they were spot on about evil "agents" .Fab`s family could be to blame ,but agent stirs the pot even w/ nothing is cooking. Fab`s voice is not heard because any man in charge is being heard. All his mates know he is treated like a spoil kid I bet he never been punched he only spits ( we know those sorts) but since he is brilliant on the pitch everything else doesn`t matter. Same w/ Ronaldo off the pitch a big spoil baby at least his voice is heard.

I`m not attacking Fab more his ppl in charge I admit his flaws are there to see. As much as I try to hate Barca it`s because fab stirred the pot imo.I remember on the Fab Show his parent told him he was joining Arsenal. He was like not them we hammered them (youth team) 5-0 lol . Sorry, it`s been decided for you.Ahh mehn....Barca players spoke on tv I saw a interview and xavi did say some of those thing not the last bit of comment but said Fab should come now and not next year . I`m sure the Sun wants to ride out until the story runs to the last ink. To me I hope Fab does great this season at Arsenal n pray Wilshire can learn all he can from fab...if he leaves we can at least have someone from London who will carry the torch! Wilshire :BOP:
 
lo zio said:
yeah bobby, i agree with u. and that is why i find it hard to believe that the fabregas "acquisition" followed the same path of those other cases i mentioned before. and that is also why u can see that big bolded "IF" in my previous post.
this tactic usually works when there's a big gap between the club which gets screwed and the club which snatches the player. infact whenever arsenal tried to pull this off against another top club (it happened with juve and inter) they failed, as the player didn't turn his back on his club.

and obviously, as i already stated, a single quote from rosell isn't enough to say things went actually that way.
nontheless if that's what happened, this whole thing would be quite hilarious.... at least from a neutral point of view (i guess a barca fan wouldn't find it funny at all).

anyway bobby, it doesn't really matter, coz i absolutely didn't (and don't) mean to attack arsenal for his "strategies" or start a flame war. i took those arsenal "operations" (and, unlike the fabregas' case, i'm absolutely sure about how things went in those cases i mentioned), to show u how every club (even your club) always recurs to every possible trick to get the better terms in a deal (or, in arsenal's case, to bypass the deal itself and just snatch the player)....
bottom line my points were only the followings:
- there's no such thing as arrogance in a negotiation, as each party of a negotiation MUST act selfishly and arrogantly by definition (there's no negotiation otherwise).
- even if u wanna mix ethics with business (wich, i repeat,is not appropriate), then u shouldn't blame other clubs for trying to force your hands, when your club has done exactly the same thing to smaller teams (actually what arsenal has done is much much worse than just forcing other's clubs hands.... they took other club's youngsters for free). u just can't bully smaller dogs and then start crying when a bigger dog than u gives u a taste of your own medicine.

but then again, like u already explained, there's nothing i can possibly say that will change your mind on this topic, so i will just accept your point of view and move on. :)) afterall that's still the barca thread, so we should probably stop here before going too much off topic. ;)

anyway, does any of u guys know if there's an under 18 restriction for football player contracts in spain? and do u have any other info about the acquisition of fabregas from spain?
Jumbo? our barca fan friends in here? anyone? i'm quite curious on this one. :))
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Cool, I didn't think we were starting a flame war :)) it's a good discussion (even though I have had it many times ;)) )

My points were;

- They were arrogant/disrespectful outside of the negotiotions. I never thought they were arrogant in the actual negotiations. They were arrogant in saying things to the press and forcing a barcelona shirt on Fab etc. That has nothing to do with negotiating.

-I and Arsenal have every right to be pissed off with them. It doesn't matter what we have done previously. Capitalism for example is based on people doing well out of others misfortune, or taking advantage of them (maybe not directly, but still so). So If you are reasonably successful, but then hit a bad patch and can't pay your mortgage. Then the Bank takes your house away. You can still be very pissed off with the bank for taking your house away, even though previously you gained your money from other people less fortunate for yourself. You prospered from capitalism, but you can still be pissed off when capitalism comes back to bite you on the bum.

So i understand about deals, football negotiations etc and i understand that Arsenal have done equally as bad or even worse things. But we can still moan about things happening to us :)) That is all I am saying.

Season starts tomorrow!! (for EPL anyway :)) ) :DD Yee Haa!
 
Jumbo_ said:
Cesc was the star of the u17 World Cup in 2003 before you signed him, there was no way Barca just saw him as another youngster. Arsenal offered him a much more lucrative contract and he took it and Barca were powerless to stop it.

EDIT Just found an article written recently about it all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...complain-when-fabregas-goes-home-1981158.html
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from your choice of article lol did you see this
Yes, it has been a great fun for English clubs to pick off the fruit of Europe's best clubs, the likes of Anelka, Fabregas, Giuseppe Rossi, Federico Macheda, Gerard Pique, Paul Pogba and Gaël Kakuta to name but a few
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4 of those players picked by MUTD , 1 by Chelsea and 2 by Arsenal...We know MUTD wouldn`t sell a virus. forget about MUTD for a moment,already owed by Barcelona to Arsenal for the transfers of Emmanuel Petit and Marc Overmars and was deducted from the final bill. We hear they still owe us from Hleb n Henry so when will we see Fab`s bill being paid...Arsenal got a bargin because they owed the Arsenal 2 mil at the time... We at the Arsenal pay our debts to clubs for transfer we don`t linker :PRAY:


We bought Vela n Barca bought Dos Santos from the U-17 WC both were the best players Vela won the golden boot. Where is Dos at Spuds and Vela on the Bench selling Fifa11 atm lol.No guarantee where a player becomes...you should know that Juimbo
 
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wow I stumbled across a press report from today saying that Ibra will be loaned to Milan with Pirlo maybe included as part of the deal loaned the other way, guessing until Fabregas comes? :D This will be very odd.
 
Zeem said:
wow I stumbled across a press report from today saying that Ibra will be loaned to Milan with Pirlo maybe included as part of the deal loaned the other way, guessing until Fabregas comes? :D This will be very odd.
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Will Milan want to get rid of Pirlo? sounds very odd.
 
Zeem said:
wow I stumbled across a press report from today saying that Ibra will be loaned to Milan with Pirlo maybe included as part of the deal loaned the other way, guessing until Fabregas comes? :D This will be very odd.
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Wait a minute the SUN said Ibra will join MCity for 1 billion plus 2 islands off the Caribbean coast...silly me to read the Sun :LOL:
 
beboq said:
from your choice of article lol did you see this


4 of those players picked by MUTD , 1 by Chelsea and 2 by Arsenal...We know MUTD wouldn`t sell a virus. forget about MUTD for a moment,already owed by Barcelona to Arsenal for the transfers of Emmanuel Petit and Marc Overmars and was deducted from the final bill. We hear they still owe us from Hleb n Henry so when will we see Fab`s bill being paid...Arsenal got a bargin because they owed the Arsenal 2 mil at the time...


We bought Vela n Barca bought Dos Santos from the U-17 WC both were the best players Vela won the golden boot. Where is Dos at Spuds and Vela on the Bench selling Fifa11 atm lol.No guarantee where a player becomes...you should know that Juimbo
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I know that United have done it, I have never denied that and I still disagree with it. The only reason I'm talking about it now is because you are angry about the tactics Barca are using to get a player from you, when you originally used dirty tactics to get him in the first place! I think some of the actions have been pretty bad from Barca, don't get me wrong but you can't just keep ignoring the fact you stole him from their academy.

And about the last bit, that just proves my point, Barca knew Cesc was very talented and wouldn't have wanted him to go (which is backed up by that statement from Rosell). Vela impressed at the u17 world cup and you went for him. A good tournament boosts a players reputation, how he turn out is irrelevant to this.
 
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Will Milan want to get rid of Pirlo? sounds very odd.
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Actually he was Chelsea bound last year.

Ibra might as well leave. His wages are just too much to be a super sub for Messi,Villa,Pedro, and Iniesta and Milan will never be able to handle them.
 
Jumbo_ said:
I know that United have done it, I have never denied that and I still disagree with it. The only reason I'm talking about it now is because you are angry about the tactics Barca are using to get a player from you, when you originally used dirty tactics to get him in the first place! I think some of the actions have been pretty bad from Barca, don't get me wrong but you can't just keep ignoring the fact you stole him from their academy.

And about the last bit, that just proves my point, Barca knew Cesc was very talented and wouldn't have wanted him to go (which is backed up by that statement from Rosell). Vela impressed at the u17 world cup and you went for him. A good tournament boosts a players reputation, how he turn out is irrelevant to this.
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is this what your goal is to prove your views (which I provided for ya a thank is in order happy to make your point valid) :)..Barca doesn`t want anyone coming to their training grounds and picking their players no club even though they comes to us and take our players. How many players left Arsenal to join Barca ? How many players Arsenal take from Barca? It`s Business maybe not the nicest way...How was fergie when Ronaldo wanted to leave " I wouldn`t want to sell them a virus" Wenger doesn`t talk out of anger it`s business not personal . I get angry for selfish reason trust me I was more angry when Henry left miles more ...Henry went for 16 mil Bent went to Spurs for 16mil. So you saying we shouldn`t me angry because we took him from them 1st is laughable .Barca could of come earlier but choose to come in the last few season
 
Where did I say you shouldnt be angry?! You're reading what you want to see mate. I understand why you are angry.

Maybe this is Rosell's revenge on Arsene and Arsenal?
 
alright I took it as ....you can't just keep ignoring the fact you stole him from their academy. As , don`t be angry you stole him,The reason why I posted Roswell comments he was there when Fab left. So, naturally he doesn`t care how players or media act imo some part of me thinks he loves this.
 
bobbybox said:
So i understand about deals, football negotiations etc and i understand that Arsenal have done equally as bad or even worse things. But we can still moan about things happening to us That is all I am saying.
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yeah and i perfectly understand that. you know what? although i tend to agree more with jumbo's point of view, i actually don't think our point of views are that distant. in the end it's just about semantics.
u think barca has been arrogant in some "exterior aspects" of this negotiation, and that, even though arsenal has showed some arrogance too towards smaller teams in the past, that doesn't mean u shouldn't be mad at barcelona now (wich actually makes perfect sense ;) ).
while i prefere not to define arrogant either arsenal and barca. arsenal (aswell as many other EPL clubs) just takes advantage of (unfair) opportunities. but imo FIFA should be blamed for not addressing this issue, not the british clubs. sure EPL clubs showed some serious desprespect and i'm not justifying them, but i can understand them, as that's business, and u don't give up on a good opportunity just because it wouldn't be fair (i mean, when u can get something for free, why paying for it?).
likewise, i can't blame barca for trying to force arsenal's hands by putting some extra pressure on the club and the player (btw bebo, yeah cesc probably isn't the smartest or nicest guy, but this summer he found himself in quite a tricky situation and i think he handled it with some real class).
we might say u have (like Gerd said) a romantic approach to this situation, while i have a more cynical approach. but in the end, it's just about semantics. :))

there's just one thing on which we disagree.
u say forcing a barca shirt on fabregas has nothing to do with negotiations.... the thing is... that actually has to do with negotiations.... it might be not nice, but that's it.
it's pretty much like when u negotiate with a used cars dealer. u try to "play dirty", by remarking all the car's flaws and act like u weren't really interested in byuing it. that's an arrogant attitude too, but it's something so common, so natural, no one even considers it as arrogant today. it's just about showing you're willing to walk away.
and trying to remark fabregas' bond with barca and to highlight his desire to play with barca (even in a very unclassy way, like forcing a shirt on him), falls in the same category. it's not nice, sure... but it actually is part of the negotiation.

there's just one possible scenario for a "fair negotiation". and that's when the club wants (or needs) to sell the player. other than this specific case, negotiations are never something "smooth" or "fair". and fabregas' case is even more complicated than that. because in this case there are also other factors which made this deal very tricky.
- fabregas one of the best players in the world in his role
- he's the captain of the team and, despite his young age, one of the charismatic leaders of the team
- on the pitch, he's arguably the most important asset of his team, and off the pitch he represents the image of arsenal.
- he really cares about arsenal and probably wouldn't wanna leave the gunners for any other club than barca (and funnily that gives leverage to both clubs)
- Rosell had to try to get him coz that was his "electoral promise".
- fabregas still has 3 years left on his contract
theese 2 last factors (rosell's needs and those 3 years on the contract) give huge leverage to arsenal.... and combined with the other factors, they make fabregas an almost unreachable player. it's just too complicated to get him, no one would even bother starting a negotiation, coz arsenal would clearely step in the negotiation as the "strongest player".
in every negotiation the parties aren't exactly on the same position. it's like poker, someone always has a better hand. and u always know who has the better hand: the one who has no real urge or need to close the deal. that party is always gonna get the better terms in the deal.
so when u're supposed to face a negotiation, knowing from the very beginning that u're gonna be the "weak player" (and barca clearely was the weak player this time) and that your counterpart is gonna have so much more leverage than u, u just don't even bother and give up. that's a loosing negotiation and it's something u wanna avoid, unless u have to face it (and, like i said, this summer rosell was forced to face this challenge for electoral reasons).

for any other counterpart it would be impossible to overcome such a gap in bargaining power..... arsenal would get the better terms and so there's no point in even trying to start the negotiation unless u're confortable with the idea of putting a ridiculous offer on the table (say, a real madrid kinda offer or a man city kinda offer)
........ or unless u have some leverage of your own. and that's barca's case. but in order to take advantage of that leverage, barca has to "play smart". try to act like they got the upper hand (even if they don't). and when u come to think of it, they actually achieved this goal. this "display of arrogance" (although, like i said, i don't think arrogance is the appropriate word) gave arsenal fans the feeling they were the smaller player in this negotiation. now barca is probably a more powerful team than arsenal........ but in this specific negotiation, arsenal was the strong player, not barca.
yet barca's strategy achieved its goal: to have people perceiving arsenal as "the weak player" in the negotiation.

lucky you, arsenal board didn't fall for it. all barca's theatrics weren't enough to overcome the gap between arsenal's position and barca's position in the negotiation and that's why barca had to walk away (at least for this round).
but those theatrics, weren't just a display of arrogance.... it was a strategy aimed to reduce "the bargaining power gap" between arsenal and barca in this deal and actually get a chance to sign fabregas for a reasonable price (by "reasonable" i mean not making a real madrid kinda offer or a man city kinda offer).
it was actually part of the negotiation.

the best thing for barca would have been to have fabregas complaining with wenger and his agent fighting with arsenal's board.... but that was impossible as fabregas didn't wanna turn his back on his team and play "the bastard card" just to make things easier for barca.
so what's the next best thing? trying to take advantage of a national team celebration situation to force a barca shirt on fabregas' shoulders.
again, it's not a nice thing to do, but negotiating is never about "playing nice", especially in such a tricky negotiation.

the bad news for arsenal though (and the good news for barca) is that, from now on, things will only get easier for barca. it doesn't matter if fabregas will have a stunning season this year... next summer he'll have only 2 years left on his contract, and that's obviously gonna effect his pricetag (and arsenal's leverage).
and if u don't sell him next summer, then in 2 years, fabregas will only have one season left on his contract. and, at that point, the situation will turn upside down and arsenal will become the "weak player" in the negotiation.

so long story short, i don't know what kinda offer barca made this summer, but, from next season on, u'll never gonna get more than what barca already offered this season, as fabregas' pricetag will get cheaper and cheaper, regardless his performances.

anyhow bobby that was a really interesting conversation. u actually opened my mind on "the arsenal fan perspective". afterall, i got to admit, it's pretty easy to have a neutral prespective when u're not personally involved.... and probably, if i were an arsenal fan, i wouldn't be so comprehensive towards barcelona.
and after reading your posts, even though i can't really sympathize with arsenal's position, i can certainly understand and sympathize with arsenal's fans position :))

oh and btw, jumbo, bebo, thanks for the infos and links :))
sorry for the long post guys.... and sorry for dragging u back on this topic again :P
 
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@ Ben Fabregas in October 2006 - Signs new contract at the Emirates Stadium club until 2014.Not that it means anything :LOL: those are guidelines
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
(guardiola) ...
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... no self-deprecating humour here please.


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"Pep Guardiola acknowledged that starting so many youth players at once is never ideal, but that he had no other option considering the circumstances." [via TotalBarca]

And apparently it's very doubtful we'll see all the spanish internationals next week:
Asked about the chances of his Spanish internationals being fit for next week, Guardiola was cautious: “we’ll have to see how they train this week and then have a look at them. Some of them might come in, but not all of them I don’t think. We’ll see what happens”.

Truth be told the youngsters didn't perform so bad :) Considering many of them were debutants and our backbone was missing. Guardiola should indeed gradually get us used to seeing one or two of them. I just hope the players that were missing today aren't too deconnected from the game.
 
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Barca completely outclassed Sevilla in the second leg of the final last night and what a game Messi had! Once again Xavi showed the world his amazing vision and passing skills and Messi never failed to find the net. His second goal was also very nice from a sort of weird angle!

One thing is for sure, if Real Madrid are going to win the league they won't do it with better football.
 
Good first match. Totally owned the match from minute 1 to 90. We could have scored some more if the players weren't that tired.

The penalty awarded to Racing was pathetic, I wonder where are all the "Villarato" people when things like that happen.

By the way, I liked Villa but expect the team to perform even better on the next matches. 2 points ahead of Madrid in just one match is good, considering how things were last season.
 
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