FC Barcelona Thread

Since I can't see any bravery from him as Ronaldo did on his MU-RM transfer, no matter how much it costs, it's impossible. I know it was a joke, though. What am I talking..
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
Not to have a go at you Drekkard, but the hypocrisy of Barca is showing in the match. They always seem to go on about playing the right way, but both Pedro and Busquets went down holding their faces when they weren't even touched there! Everytime it happens, they are all fairplay till they don't get there way...then they go Mourinho and dive about trying to get players sent off.
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Oh, It's not a go at me at all. If you read my history of posts you'll see that I complete hate Busquets and Alves because of that theater. Some people full of hatred will go further and try to say it's the full team acting when it's not. It's some specific players doing it. I have been always quite honest with this, and today Busquets, Alves and Pedro were ashaming.

I don't like when people try to put all the team in the same bag. I see a lot of people here accusing like madmen while in their own teams there are also players like this. There are idiots everywhere, and here at Barcelona we also have our share of them, unfortunately. But there are other players here that are really classy and make a difference, as well as I think our coach showed again today how classy he is.

That said, Di Maria and Ronaldo also loved to dive the full match, and beyond all this, I can't understand some of the Madrid tackles in the match. The way they punch and kick players in the floor or in the air is astonishing. The full match was being a bad parody of football at times.

I even hear someone saying that Pepe doesn't touch Alves! Is people really that mad/blind? We can discuss about the color of the card, but nothing else. And in my honest oppinion it's a straight red. Those absurd tackles can do a lot of pain. We see legs broken now and then precisely in tackles like this one.

But there's also some blatant aggressions from Marcelo to Pedro, Adebayor to Busquets and Ramos. Another red could have gone there. And yes, Busquets should have had a yellow for being a prick, please!

Now, with that said, it's sad Real Madrid is playing this matches, putting everyone behind the ball for 90 minutes. I just don't get how Mourinho is allowed to do this at Bernabeu. Some of my friends who are from Real Madrid are quite annoyed with him already, for making Real play like a small team at its own stadium. I doubt any other team will have 70% possession (against 11 and against 10, it didn't matter much in that respect) at a CL semifinal at Bernabeu again.

Madrid didn't want to play and Barcelona lacked ambition for 70 minutes. And, let's say it, the spectacle was being terrible. I didn't like any of the teams. But at least the team who tries to play football won, and happens to be the team I support. And in my oppinion, though I don't think we deserved such great result, it's fair with what every team puts in the pitch.

And, to put it clear again, in my oppinion Pepe deserved the red. He is NOT going for the ball at all, he KNOWS it will be a hard tackle and it will hurt, he knows it's a dangerous tackle and he does nothing to avoid it. And this brainless man does it every match! Really, have you seen a single match in which Pepe didn't deserve a red? Really? Show me!!!!

It's ironic, but I think today may be the only time Alves really wasn't simulating pain, but really feeling it (maybe he deserved it a little, oks). If you have ever played football, you know how dangerous it is a tackle like this one. I had my fibula broken when I was 17 in a very similar tackle. I understand sometimes it gets only a yellow, and we could have a long discussion based on personal oppinions here.

But implying a kind of master plan of hiddden forces like Mourinho is doing in the press right now is a joke and a bad thing for football. A kitten may die everytime he talks to the press!

PS: The second goal of Messi is one of those historical goals that are seen only once in a while... Now let's focus on the 2nd leg and try to play as well as we can.
 
What do you guys think of Jose's press conference (forces behind Barca)? And Cristiano Ronaldo's words after the game (play for the 0-0 and get Kaka on after 70 mins)?
 
Milanista said:
What do you guys think of Jose's press conference (forces behind Barca)? And Cristiano Ronaldo's words after the game (play for the 0-0 and get Kaka on after 70 mins)?
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I think Mourinho's words, again, are those of a poor human being unable to accept defeat. Apparently, his team was unfolding a master plan of not playing football and holding the 0-0, that he said was a great result at home. His master plan involved taking Ozil out of the match and putting another DMF, and then put Kaka in the last 10 minutes to win a counter.

Apparently, too, there's been a black hand behind every success of Barcelona. And according to him, Guardiola should be ashamed of his titles and should dismiss them as they were robbed by force. According to him, Guardiola should publically ask forgiveness (really) for stealing cups.

According to him, it's Villar (the only president of a federation to publicly wear a Madrid shirt in history) who reigns in the UEFA and makes Barcelona champion all the time (well, not always, he won last year).
Heres is your friend Villar, the maker of all Barcelona success:
http://blogs.periodistadigital.com/imgs/20090122/villar_calderon.jpg

According to him, Inter won last year because of a miracle and the refs tried to destroy him, as usual (he decided to ignore what happened at San Siro, though).

According to him, his team was playing marvellously up to the sending off. And according to him, he doesn't get why Pepe and Ramos are always sent off.

He didn't want to talk about why they didn't water the stadium for 2 days against the rules of UEFA CL (Madrid is getting a fine for it), or why his team didn't even try to go for the match, because he didn't accept the questions he didn't like.

I think this man has gone beyond respect and deserves a lawsuit. That's my oppinion. You can talk like this publically. People and clubs deserve respect.

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'06 - Shevchenko's goal was dissallowed
'09 - Ovrebo
'11 - ??
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'06 - The referee at San Siro ignores a clear penalty to Ronaldinho and wrongly disallows a clear 1 vs 1 to Etoo at the same match.
'10 - Benquerença
'11 - Rizzoli?

Is that the game you want to play?

No matter what, any fan of any team can put 10 incredible errors at the table that justify a lost or a bad result. We can do that for all night long implying any team in any competition. Go beyond that and ask yourself why Madrid players get sent off lately (and not only against us).
 
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I just don't get it. I brought 3 North American friends to watch the match tonight and sat there embarrassed at even trying to get them to understand football. I had said that Barca were the best team that I'd seen in 30 years, and ended up just apologising for the their behaviour. Real were just as bad.

It's just shocking. I think Mourinho is right. If Barca were truly great, with truly great players, they wouldn't but up with this crap. Busquets makes me hate football, Alves only slightly less. Playing keep ball between 5 players in your own half isn't the beautiful game. It's just as pathetic as defending with 10 men. Neither deserves any credit.

I just wish we could go back to the beautiful Barca. Pep has clearly fostered Busquets/ Alves/ every f(cking player on the pitch's attitude so he deserves criticism. It's like a parody of football.

This was supposed to be one of the greatest testaments of football in history. Instead it was one of its greatest embarrassments. Disgraceful.
 
It was that of an horrible match? Even tough the play acting was a disgrace...I tough the game was a good one...Everyone saying barca didnt deserve the victory wasnt being real...They didnt play at their best but the result is fair enough...

Real are saying barca have power on the referee's but its di maria that started it all with all his dives and rants...while madrid was being extremely aggressive on their tackles and challenges ,I knew a red card was coming...

I aint saying alves and busquet didnt playact during the game but You cant say barca are a dirty and playacting team, they usually play the game fair and its theirs opponent thats turns things around.
 
Its not Barca's play acting, its their overall behaviour that I hated.
I hate how they all rush to the ref as soon as there's a foul and try to influence his decision. Or for example, if someone like Messi or anyone else is knocked over by someone and that person extends a hand to apologise and help him back up, they rudely ignore them and look straight to the ref for a decision.
Yes, Real Madrid have dirty players but if Barca cant score for too long, they dont care about football and look for ref decisions to turn the tie.

I'd still say Barca deserve it on that great individual goal from Messi. But before that, it would have been a shit 1-0 victory if the match had ended that way.
 
RuneEdge said:
Its not Barca's play acting, its their overall behaviour that I hated.
I hate how they all rush to the ref as soon as there's a foul and try to influence his decision.
I'd still say Barca deserve it on that great individual goal from Messi. But before that, it would have been a shit 1-0 victory if the match had ended that way.
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Ok.
Now let's see if you are fair and admit that the same goes for your club.
I hated the way Ronaldo dived when playing for Man Utd. What i hated even more was the almost choreographed way every single time Ferguson sprung up and feigned outrage towards the fourth ref. That is exactly the same. Be a man and admit (of course you won't, you'd prefer dying).

Second: the shit 1-0 victory that could have been if Messi hadn't scored.
How many times Man Utd has got "1-0 shit victories" with a goal in extra-time? Well Rune, you are always the first to point out that i hate Man Utd, yet i'm the first to admit that to be a great club and to win silverware you have to be capable to win ugly. I think you are being hypocritical here...let's count all Barcelona's "shit victories" and then those of your club...that is one particular match that Man Utd will win easily...certainly with double figures.
The way Man Utd wins matches 1-0 is admirable (if not very entertaining), but please don't talk about shit victories for Barcelona.

It's not 100% sure but if Man Utd play Barcelona in the final, let's see how offensive they will play...i don't think that will try to "conquer" that match...they will definitely go for a shit victory, we both know that.


About the sending off for Pepe: i completely agree with drekkard. Both pundits on Belgian television also agreed that the red card was justified.

About Marcelo and Adebayor: they also could have been sent off (although Busquets should have had a yellow for provocation).

Let's be honest about this match: it was an ugly match, but the only team that tried to play football won it deservedly. And i'm pretty sure that right at this moment Mourinho is in trouble with the Madrid board.

And all the negativity and the theatrics: Mourinho got beaten at his own game. And this is coming from someone who has always liked Mourinho.
 
@ Drekkard,

Agree for the most part. Every team has divers and cheaters, but Rune highlights what annoys me personally, the hypocrisy. Barca project they are total football, yet when teams don't let them play they start diving, acting and demanding the ref gives them freekicks. It's pathetic, and actually makes them want to lose. And that's without considering the summer antics that every players tries to tap-up other team players demanding on the basis of humanrights that Barca should be able to buy them for 1euro "as they deserve it".

Although yesterday, my hatred for Real and Mourinho meant I wanted Barca to win, and the same will go for the final.

Oh and Pepe deserved a red. There is no defense for Real, to have 10 men parked and 400mil of talent and still not be able to muster a decent chance is pathetic. Mourinho is speaking his usual bollocks trying to manipulate for next week.
 
I'm sorry Gerd but you're either biased or trying to twist things here. The way Ronaldo went down in England is exactly the same way as he still goes down in Spain. It was so remarkable because generally the other 21 players on the pitch didn't do that.

His dives in that match were so commonplace that they weren't even worth noting. Sergio Busquets went down TWICE for minutes at a time, holding his face causing mass brawls essentially when he hadn't even been touched. Dani Alves literally spent 3 minutes on the ground after not even being touched (look how quick he was back on the pitch) by Pepe (but yes a red card). Messi dived, Xavi had a go. Macherano, Villa every single frigging player out there was more worried about conning the ref then playing football.

I don't like Madrid at all, and am glad they've lost, but just wish Barcelona would carry themselves like professional atheletes at the top of their game. They carry themselves like spoilt 16 year olds from the Jersey Shore.
 
beachryan said:
I don't like Madrid at all, and am glad they've lost, but just wish Barcelona would carry themselves like professional atheletes at the top of their game. They carry themselves like spoilt 16 year olds from the Jersey Shore.
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has nani signed for them?see lots of folks bitter bout barca here.congrats to barca for teaching real how football is to be played.united are gonna be taught the same thing at wembley.without a doubt one of the best if not the best footballing team ive ever witnessed in bout 20 odd years of watching football.real were made to look like school kids chasing for the ball.simply awesome to watch.....
 
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I'm sorry Gerd but you're either biased or trying to twist things here. The way Ronaldo went down in England is exactly the same way as he still goes down in Spain. It was so remarkable because generally the other 21 players on the pitch didn't do that.

His dives in that match were so commonplace that they weren't even worth noting. Sergio Busquets went down TWICE for minutes at a time, holding his face causing mass brawls essentially when he hadn't even been touched. Dani Alves literally spent 3 minutes on the ground after not even being touched (look how quick he was back on the pitch) by Pepe (but yes a red card). Messi dived, Xavi had a go. Macherano, Villa every single frigging player out there was more worried about conning the ref then playing football.

I don't like Madrid at all, and am glad they've lost, but just wish Barcelona would carry themselves like professional atheletes at the top of their game. They carry themselves like spoilt 16 year olds from the Jersey Shore.
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Saying that Pepe didn't touch Alves is simply a poor lie. Stop it.

As far as I know, Messi dind't dive, neither did Xavi or Villa in the whole match. I think your hatred towards Barcelona carries you a bit too far! At least be fair. Busquets, Pedro and Alves dived as much as Di Maria, Ronaldo and Ramos. And Marcelo and Adebayor should have been sent off too (not to mention Ramos). The difference, I repeat, is that at least we tried to play the ball, not our opponent ankles.
 
gerd said:
Ok.
Now let's see if you are fair and admit that the same goes for your club.
I hated the way Ronaldo dived when playing for Man Utd. What i hated even more was the almost choreographed way every single time Ferguson sprung up and feigned outrage towards the fourth ref. That is exactly the same. Be a man and admit (of course you won't, you'd prefer dying).
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How typical of you to bring up United. Are you just trying to wind me up? :ROLL:
There's no need to bring United into this. And for the record, no one, atleast not me, has ever denied what you said above.
Im sorry but I seem to lose a little respect for you every time you do this. If you have a problem with United and the things you said, bring it up in the United thread at the right time and lets discuss it. Bringing it up here, especially in the way you did was stupid. And its not your first time either.

As for the rest of the post, I'm not even gonna bother correcting you on your misinterpretation of my post cuz I'm starting to get really annoyed with you. You do this every time where whenever you mention United, you like to somehow throw my name into it and turn it a personal attack.
If you got a problem with me then just say so and stop wasting my time.
 
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Saying that Pepe didn't touch Alves is simply a poor lie. Stop it.

As far as I know, Messi dind't dive, neither did Xavi or Villa in the whole match. I think your hatred towards Barcelona carries you a bit too far! At least be fair. Busquets, Pedro and Alves dived as much as Di Maria, Ronaldo and Ramos. And Marcelo and Adebayor should have been sent off too (not to mention Ramos). The difference, I repeat, is that at least we tried to play the ball, not our opponent ankles.
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Completely agree, Madrid are disgraceful too. But the difference is that Barca don't need to do it.

From the replays I've seen it looks to me like Pepe hits the ball into Alves' shin, but if there is contact it is utterly minimal. Like I said, it's a red card because he's leading straight legged with studs up, but there's no way that hurt at all.

What I've never understood is the referees - when a player is genuinely hurt, the last thing they do is roll about it. Having broken my ankle twice, all you do is sit there numbed looking at the mess that was your leg. Rolling is about the least natural reaction in the world. Hence, the Alves triple tumble/ Di Maria howl and roll - they clearly have not actually been hurt. So f*ck a stretcher, tell the little sh*ts to get up.

I don't hate Barcelona. I think they can, at times, play the best football I've ever seen. But I hate that football has become so rotten that last night not only happened, but that their fans justify it and say it's some victory for the greater good. It isn't.
 
Well, someone broke my fibula in a play like this one. And I think Pepe DOES hurt Alves and he tocuhes him badly. Maybe we haven't seen the same replays? Anyway, I think slow-motion tends to hide reality a lot. What may seem a simple touch at slow motion can severely hurt you at real time in this kind of tackles.

About the rolling thing... I don't agree completely. It's true that when you brake a leg you won't roll at all. But you can feel a lot of pain without having your leg broken. When I played football I remember rolling because of pain in the grass, really. Even when I had my fibula broken I remember literally eating the grass while rolling...

What we will agree, though, is that most of the time, a lot of rolling means a little acting. That's for sure.
 
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beachryan said:
Rolling is about the least natural reaction in the world. Hence, the Alves triple tumble/ Di Maria howl and roll - they clearly have not actually been hurt. So f*ck a stretcher, tell the little sh*ts to get up.
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Wasn't I having a conversation about Nani with you the other week? He got up, ran around and then went off crying on a stretcher! Didn't you say he was hurt really bad? or am I wrong and it wasn't you I was chatting with?
Which one is it? Was Nani hurt or not? If he was, why wasn't Alves? I'm not saying he was by the way but you are contradicting yourself here as far as I'm concerned. It's one or the other. Not whatever suits you at the time.
 
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i'm not really sure about all this barca bashing over their theatrics and diving and asking for yellow cards. i mean yeah they have some divers in their team, okay, but honestly so does every team on the planet. i wouldn't say theese theatrics are a "trademark" of barcelona.
if we had to "hate" (such an unpleasant word, btw) every team which has divers, then we shouldn't watch football at all. :))
besides the most despicable acting performance yesterday came from mourinho, not from alves or any other player on the pitch.
but that's just my opinion, of course.
 
@ Ben,

Agree. But I think what makes people irritated by it, and I'm repeating myself so appologies, is that the whole Barca image (which is created by them and the media) has them as some sort of fairplay gods of total football. They aren't, they play nice passing football, and when it doesn't work they are as cynical as everyone else.

The problem, imo, is that the overal image of them remains intact, leading to overzealousness by ref's to card opposition players when they do start acting up. Which means they often end up with 11 v 10 for the most pointless indiscretions.

Let's not forget that Arsenal were oncourse to beat them when V Persie got sent off for hitting a ball a second after the whistle in a stadium that you could hardly hear it anyway....when the ball boy actually throws the ball on the pitch a second later aswell meaning kicking the ball out isn't actually time wasting.

Or last season when the Inter player got sent off for.....well Biscuits deciding he wants to roll around on the floor holding his face.

Or the Chelsea match, when quite a few obvious penalties were waved away.

As much as I can't stand Mourinho, he has a point with the "clean" CL wins. He doesn't deserve to gain from it, but there are enough teams who have fallen foul at the very top level of matches because Barca have gotten the benefit of the doubt with often that decision deciding the game in their favour.

They weren't looking like scoring till the red card, and their hysterics contributed to getting a player sent off. It was a stupid foul, but had Alves not rolled around for a min along half the pitch it might have been a yellow. But again, it's a single decision, after setting a climate (which Real did just as much in this match) that has had a huge impact on the result.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Its not Barca's play acting, its their overall behaviour that I hated.
I hate how they all rush to the ref as soon as there's a foul and try to influence his decision. Or for example, if someone like Messi or anyone else is knocked over by someone and that person extends a hand to apologise and help him back up, they rudely ignore them and look straight to the ref for a decision.
Yes, Real Madrid have dirty players but if Barca cant score for too long, they dont care about football and look for ref decisions to turn the tie.

I'd still say Barca deserve it on that great individual goal from Messi. But before that, it would have been a shit 1-0 victory if the match had ended that way.
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LOL!!!! united are known for crouding the ref!! i dont hear you complain :TTTH:
 
Mourinho needs to be hauled over the coals because he think's he is bigger than the sport itself.

His behaviour leads to the sort of on the field actions we see. And the likes of Pinto too for the half time fracas also need to be disciplined.

As for this horrendous simulation as exhibited by Busquets, di Maria, Ronaldo and co until there is retrospective video punishment in the form of lenghty bans, heavy fines and point deductions it will continue to go on.

As the stakes in football have become ever more obscene players will resort to trying anything to eke out an advantage.

Real Madrid were shamed by Mourinho. Their heritage was dragged in the dirt and they played like cowards with di Maria and Ozil barely getting a look in.

And through it all there was the Ronaldo show. There can scarcely ever have been more of a selfish player in the history of the game.

And I am glad for one that little Leo laid some of the sad myths to rest that he cannot score against a Mourinho side, that he is only where he is because he has Iniesta and Xavi to rely on (forgetting how he sparkled last season when both were injured) and once again demonstrated his selflessness as a player.

It is after all a team game.

The red cards were perfectly justifiable except that Adebayor escaped his.

His attitude calling the Barca players crybabies is pathetic considering his own provocation and attitude to Arsenal fans and his own cheating antics in the past.

UEFA really need to sort this curse of simulation and cheating which makes the officials lives such a hardship and clean up the game.

However they and the G17 created the monster of the CL where mammon is king. Increasingly across sports it is the be all and end all. Any advantage is taken and the cycle of endless greed carries on.

It has encouraged negative anti football as seen yesterday where winning at all costs is the be all and end all as we saw in the WC final another recent showpiece.

No club can escape blame. Ferguson is as guilty always calling officials decisions into question and casting doubts about their impartiality and having instigated players crowding the referee not to mention the simulation of some of their players.

I would go so far as to group sportspeople with bankers in a list of detestable people.

It's a far cry from what football used to be. There was no halycon era when footballers were gentleman. You can go back as far as you like to find tales where the opposition were harassed by fans of the opposing club, were given terrible facilities or were hacked off the pitch.

However over the years it has become worse and worse and whereas footballers of a previous era were humble souls and down to earth in touch with fans they are becoming more and more aloof and remote wrapped in their own cocoon.

Hopefully the next leg might actually see football coming out the winner and the onus will be on Real Madrid to actually come out and play.
 
PU6HY said:
Wasn't I having a conversation about Nani with you the other week? He got up, ran around and then went off crying on a stretcher! Didn't you say he was hurt really bad? or am I wrong and it wasn't you I was chatting with?
Which one is it? Was Nani hurt or not? If he was, why wasn't Alves? I'm not saying he was by the way but you are contradicting yourself here as far as I'm concerned. It's one or the other. Not whatever suits you at the time.
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That'd be the time that he had a decent sized, bleeding hole in his leg, and had to get substituted? He didn't roll around once he realised what had happened, he just laid there screaming at his leg (like a baby, admittedly).

If you don't think there's a difference between that and whatever 'injury' affected Busquets/ Alves last night, then I'm not sure there's any point in trying to discuss it any more.
 
Regarding tactics, I thought it was interesting that instead of going a bit more gung-ho, Barca sat a bit deeper and played a bit more conservatively.

Guardiola probably learned from the 3-1 defeat at Inter last season when he played into Mourinho's hands by committing so many bodies forward and Inter hitting them on the break so often.

It was clever from Pep and meant that Real had little chance of hitting them on the break last night. Just look how deep Alves stayed at the back compared his usual maurauding style.
 
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We dont deny it. We know it happens.
But at United, its the same players, Rio, Rooney, Giggs, etc. Not like Barca when Pepe made that bad tackle, the whole team ran to the ref.
 
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That'd be the time that he had a decent sized, bleeding hole in his leg, and had to get substituted? He didn't roll around once he realised what had happened, he just laid there screaming at his leg (like a baby, admittedly).

If you don't think there's a difference between that and whatever 'injury' affected Busquets/ Alves last night, then I'm not sure there's any point in trying to discuss it any more.
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He just laid there???!!! My eyes must have been playing tricks on me then as pretty sure he got up and ran towards the ref pointing at his leg before he fell down again! Rolling around / getting up and running about = Same horse, different jockey.

And I didn't say Busquets / Alves had an injury either.

Point I'm making is who knows how bad somebody is or isn't? I snapped my ligaments once and nobody touched me. Standing foot just just snapped. Thought it was broken due to the noise I heard. Either way it was agony but I never moved a muscle. All these people who roll around by going way over the top are pathetic excuses of a human being.

I could have been accused of acting. I clearly wasn't but you never know. When they get up and sprint about within half a second though, it plain sickens me!
 
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Has anybody ever played in a team where everyone on the team just clicked and the passing was brilliant on the day. Ball went forwards, backwards, sidewards, upwards, downwards, keeper had plenty of ball and the ball just kept moving and moving and moving etc. etc. etc. ???

I bet you've all gone off the pitch and said that your team played amazing. If you say no then you are all full of shit... or just shit at the game yourself. You win 12 nil or 2 nil. Big deal. Doesn't matter. Point is the team played great.

Barca play like that all the time. A joy to be involved in. Full backs get plenty of the ball, CB's, well everyone gets plenty of touches. Would you rather this or if you happened to be a full back / CB and just watch the forwards all day long? I know what I'd prefer to be involved in. Total football all day long. People who call that boring are idiots to me.

Yes there has to be an end product (there normally is for Barca and sometimes it takes longer than other times) and Barca should shoot more instead of always trying to walk it in all the time but being involved with a team like them must be amazing. I personally would love thick as shit players who think they are quality to move the ball 10 yards more often. That's what I love about even players like Messi (and Xavi, Iniesta to name some more). He's selfless. He makes loads of 5 / 10 yd passes and doesn't try to do everything himself. Worse players than him try to do way too much and just aren't good enough. Take a leaf out of Barca's book I say. They tend to play the simplest form of football and I for one hardly get bored of it. I actually loved it when they played 2 yd passes quickly taking the mick as Madrid deserved it for the way they set out!

But again, cut the theatricals out as it drives me nuts. 0.12% of me hopes it annoyed Mourinho as the way he set out to play was an embarrassment for a team like Madrid. Especially at home. Could see Ronaldo getting annoyed at his pathetic tactics and I for one do not blame him.
 
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I don't agree with the guy in that link beachryan.

Rune, it was never my intention to hurt your feelings. If i did: sorry. I don't mind to apologize.
Fact is that i still think you are using double standards. You think i'm biased towards Man Utd (i'm far less than you think, but i am yes) but believe i've never ever watched a match hoping a team would loose...

But i'm still convinced that some of the things you did not like about Barca can easlily be said about Man Utd (diving: Ronaldo and Nani).

I also think you misunterpreted what i wrote about a shit victory: hard won victories are almost never "bad" victories. But i understand that it's better to stop this discussion since you avoid it. It's as if both of us are living in completly different worlds.

No hard feelings.

Beachryan: I don't think Ronaldo's diving with Madrid offends me less than with United...it's just that i watch MOTD every single week and scarcely see Spanish football.
 
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