eFootball PES 2021 Discussion Thread (CONSOLES)

Isslander said:
There won't be any new gameplay mechanics though, or is that maybe your point?
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Exactly, my friend.
Camaldinho said:
Robbye or Lennibo said there won't be a demo. So my guess is to try a PES 2020 demo as its 99.9% the same
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And that is just not true. We have to differentiate.
Demo, vanilla, several DP‘s...

They are not the same!!!
 
Shikashi said:
So they've been working on PES 2022 for 3 years. And have been using UE4 to build it. And it will then be one of the very first games to use UE5, because Hellblade does not even have a release date yet and that is the only non-Epic game to be announced as an UE5 game.
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I don't think they have been working full time on PES 2022 for 3 years now. I'd imagine that they started experimenting with UE 3 years ago, and then made the majority of the team work on it 2 years ago. A development cycle of 3 years for a game like that sounds perfectly reasonable.

Epic said that UE5 will be forward compatible, so it should be possible to migrate the project to UE5 next year. Apart from that, some UE5 game will be the first one to be released...

Shikashi said:
Btw, can anybody explain to me how, all of a sudden, the PS4 and Xbox One can't handle UE4? Seeing as curent-gen PES will continue to use a gimped Konami engine that does not have support and has not been improved or updated in however many years. Seems odd. Also seems odd how they have been building it on UE4 for 3 years and have not been able to release a game using it, so far. I mean, even Bloodstained is running on UE4 and that's a small, crowdfunded Metroidvania game. Konami couldn't figure out how to get PES running on UE4 for the past 3 years? The PS4 and Xbox are just that outdated huh. The next-gen Pro Evo must be a massive upgrade, even current-gen consoles can't handle it. They must be animating and modeling every single person in the crowd individually or something.
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Just look at the Fox Engine. It was a huge mistake to take an engine that was originally designed for PS4 and downscale it to make it run on PS3 and Xbox 360. All PES releases on these platforms ran and looked like ass. It's the right decision to switch the engine for the next-gen consoles only, because this way no compromises have to be made during development.
 
majuh said:
Just look at the Fox Engine. It was a huge mistake to take an engine that was originally designed for PS4 and downscale it to make it run on PS3 and Xbox 360. All PES releases on these platforms ran and looked like ass. It's the right decision to switch the engine for the next-gen consoles only, because this way no compromises have to be made during development.
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Sorry to interrupt your discussion, but in my opinion the graphics, lighting and physics were ones of the few areas where PES have totally outclassed the other game in this generation. Even now 2020 looks amazing. I mean that FOX engine is great, the problems of the game are in the majority of the modes and in some gameplay mechanics, but not in the visual representation
 
JZ18971925 said:
Sorry to interrupt your discussion, but in my opinion the graphics, lighting and physics were ones of the few areas where PES have totally outclassed the other game in this generation. Even now 2020 looks amazing. I mean that FOX engine is great, the problems of the game are in the majority of the modes and in some gameplay mechanics, but not in the visual representation
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To me Pes 19 is on some other level when it comes to both how it looks and how the players move.
Not much contest for me there.
Can get 20 setup to even be close to that
 
rockstrongo said:
To me Pes 19 is on some other level when it comes to both how it looks and how the players move.
Not much contest for me there.
Can get 20 setup to even be close to that
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2020 visuals look pretty similar to 2019, but 2020 is just a bit better as a new iteration and what's important it has much more good faces. What about the gameplay, 2020 is 2019 with new mechanics, such as developed dribbling and feints, player traits that affect teammates and a lot new animations, especially in defense. So I can't get how 2019 can be better in any area
 
JZ18971925 said:
2020 visuals look pretty similar to 2019, but 2020 is just a bit better as a new iteration and what's important it has much more good faces. What about the gameplay, 2020 is 2019 with new mechanics, such as developed dribbling and feints, player traits that affect teammates and a lot new animations, especially in defense. So I can't get how 2019 can be better in any area
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You really think 20 looks better than 19?
With its yellow pitches?
And game play?
Please,20 is the worst Pes game in ages,utter shite!
 
rockstrongo said:
You really think 20 looks better than 19?
With its yellow pitches?
And game play?
Please,20 is the worst Pes game in ages,utter shite!
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I really think that visually 2019 and 2020 are the same, maybe there are some gamma differences you're talking about, but I can't see them. And what about gameplay, 2020 offers every option you have in 2019 plus some new ones, so it's better. Maybe your problem is that you try to play 2020 like it's 2019, what is completely wrong, this 2 games are very different especially when it comes to dribbling : in 2020 you can't pass the opponents the same way you do in 2019, cause KONAMI added new feint system and nerfed the efficiency of old tricks like fake shot. They also added new fake shot turning into pass that is more efficient than simple passes into the box. So my guess is you didn't make any efforts to learn how to play the new game
 
Emroth said:
Oh, watch out, Ricky - we got "you're playing the game wrong" brigade here!
Terrible referees and an absolute shambolic player awareness is not the game code - its you!
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Refs are illogical sometimes, and i like it, cause it seems realistic, but surely it's a game code mistake. However I don't remember it was better in 2019. 2020 demo refs were the worst, and full game's had updates after each data pack and it's not that bad. And I have absolutely no idea what do you mean by player awareness, could you explain?
 
JZ18971925 said:
Refs are illogical sometimes, and i like it, cause it seems realistic, but surely it's a game code mistake. However I don't remember it was better in 2019. 2020 demo refs were the worst, and full game's had updates after each data pack and it's not that bad. And I have absolutely no idea what do you mean by player awareness, could you explain?
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I dont know how you play the game if you think referees are not that bad. You have your players sneezing at the other team players and the foul is called.
You have your player passing the ball to the striker, defender comes out, runs into your striker and the fouls is called against you.
You have players tripping over each other and the fouls is against you. Always against you.
On a flip side - you have AI bashing into you like a bull on steroids inside penalty box and no whistle is blown. Referees are by far the worst they ever been in PES.

You get the odd foul here and there (mostly illogical, random and out of nowhere), but if you do and if you are semi-skilled - 99% of free kicks will end up being a goal.
It got to the point where I was getting pissed off when I scored from a free kick, coz they are so ridiculously easy to score.

As for player awareness - your team is like children in the fog. No one seems to have any idea where the ball is. You pass into space and nobody bothers to get to the ball.
Wrong players are switching, players are, literally, running away from the ball, or not moving at all. You have to hang yourself on Super Cancel to get any reaction from them.
(Which by the way is not an answer. Super Cancel should be advanced mechanics, not necessity)

19 had worse AI (cross into the box + top corner tap-ins being AI way to score 9/10 times) and there was very few fouls there (which might be why referees didnt seem to be that bad), but when it comes to controlling the ball - 19 was far less frustrating, coz your team members didnt act like a bunch of blindfolded morons.

Honestly - bless your heart if you truly dont see how broken the absolute basics are.
Maybe best if you dont look into it any closer and try not to see what I mean.
If you are enjoying it - great. Leave it at that.
Id love not to see any of it myself.

And im not being sarcastic here.
 
Different games are made to be played different as they always have some new elements in and that's a fact.Otherwise the game would be exactly the same every year and there wouldn't be any point in having them released every year.I don't get why this is being ridiculed around here when someone mentions it.
Referees is a total different topic.We're talking about how you play the game and how you move the players and the ball.

For example doesn't anyone remember how different PES 13 and 14 played?13 was much more arcady and 14 had a more sim approach.
So you had to play 14 in a different way.You couldn't play it effectively with an arcady mindset like you're playing 13.So in this case yeah someone could say to you that you're playing it wrong if you tried to play it like it's 13 and he would of been 100% correct.

The same goes for 20 and the last previous PES'.The previous played more arcady with higher pass assist in a quicker tempo with quicker dribbling and movement.20 plays different and you have to be more patient with building your attacks,move the ball around more and waiting for that killer pass which isn't so easy to make as in the previous because of bigger error in all departments.So yeah you have to play it differently.Now if you don't like this difference that's another thing..Personally i like it.
 
Emroth said:
Oh, watch out, Ricky - we got "you're playing the game wrong" brigade here!
Terrible referees and an absolute shambolic player awareness is not the game code - its you!
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Dont you through that stick in every new path carved! ;)
that card played every time, even it its valid, ain’t appropriate here, imo. You might disagree here, my man.

imo, those 2 games mentioned play different (at the sticks of (if not more...).
 
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Dennis_87 said:
Different games are made to be played different as they always have some new elements in and that's a fact
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They do, I agree.

If I told you I hate Dark Souls coz Im trying to play it like Witcher, hacking away hordes of enemies, you could tell me its not supposed to be played like this and I need a different approach.

But no approach will help if the basics like referees, player awareness, collisions and AI are broken. You'll be stepping into the same puddle of poo, just in different ways.

I think this is not @rockstrongo first rodeo.
He played enough PES titles to know that approach might need adjustments from title to title. And approach is not the issue here.
 
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I think regarding approach and how its played people are taking to heart , I'm back on v 1.0 and enjoying it again. Antway for me this is true
Penalties against the AI are non existent regardless of how I play it

Fouls in general are low but I can get more if I play it where I hold more possession , tighter controls and more skilled dribbling

If I play three slow defenders upfront and complain I'm not scoring many goals them I think someone would be right to tell me to change my approach

Likewise if I went on full on mental attack with a high line and complain the AI was scoring too much

So in my opinion some elements of the game just don't work , refs are dodgey , zero pens , dive button useless even during an advantage etc .. but how the game flows and plays out can be altered to some degree with how the play is approached
 
Emroth said:
Oh, watch out, Ricky - we got "you're playing the game wrong" brigade here!
Terrible referees and an absolute shambolic player awareness is not the game code - its you!
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Gotta love that brigade Marty,pops up every now and then,Pes Al Qaida/Qanon/flat earthers trying to convince us that grass is in fact blue and not green,or in Pes 20s it's suppose to be yellow...
 
I tried playing Pes 2020 lately, even with assisted passing at Level1 to make it less frustrating. No matter how you play you still can't fix when your player seems like he is frozen. There is that fraction of second when every player seems like he doesn't know what to do.

I should take a video to better show it, but it happens very often. It mostly happens while defending when you manual switch the cursor, but it also happens when attacking. AI awareness in Pes 2020 is really bad and AI in general is bad. Same as referee AI.

It's really evident they didn't care fixing that, since their focus is not the offline vsCPU experience.
 
If you base your purchase of PES 2021 (or PES 2020 for that matter) on the PES 2020 demo you're in for some real disappointment. I remember thinking 'bait and switch' when I first played the full game after falling deeply in love with the demo.

Dribbling, skills and fouls (sometimes excessive but nothing game breaking and it went both ways). AI was at times passive but it was clinical when it did strike which made it challenging, especially for my play style. What a game that.. I'm getting carried away:LOVE:
 
There is some truth to the general "you better play X like this" argument, but the problem is that it usually gets twisted to no end to defend this or that favourite chapter. Some things are broken no matter how you approach the game, it has been true for every single title until now.. and for the latest as well if not more :D .
 
I'll preface this by saying I think the referees in PES 2020 are absolute dogshit, I'm not defending them. You don't get fouls for so many blatant shoves that resemble rugby tackles more than football. It ruins all online play for me how people don't get punished for mindlessly barging into you all match.

That said, it's still true to an extent that the number of fouls you get depends on how you play - if you never go near an opponent and offload the ball as soon as you get near one, they don't have the opportunity to foul you. Also if your attempts at dribbling are poor and you easily present the ball to the AI for an easy tackle rather than timing your touch/turn then it's going to be a fair tackle instead of a foul. Depending on the type of movements you do and how good you are at dribbling in the game, your foul count could differ significantly from someone else.

If I was playing a match solely to try to boost my foul count, I could play on Superstar and spam the R1 double tap when approaching a defender slowly, which with specific timing (right as/after their tackle animation starts) you take the ball away from them just in time and the tackle makes contact with your player. Constantly doing this I could probably get 10+ fouls in a match (and probably score 5 free kicks as they're so broken).

That's not to say the foul count is fine, as you are exploiting about the only trick I know which reliably results in fouls. It seems to show how the referee system works (or rather doesn't work) in that you mostly only get fouls when a tackle animation is happening so that player is clearly at fault. If players make contact when they are running/jostling/heading/shooting or in a 50/50, the game has no idea what to do or who to blame so instead of giving the decision the wrong way, it gives no decision at all. Sometimes you still see these ridiculous instances where a striker will be trying to head the ball, and gets kicked in the head by the defender who ends up getting given the foul because the striker was deemed to have fouled him, by headbutting his foot...

The game has some binary logic for who is "in possession" that's often wrong and if that player gets sent into a canned stumble/fall animation (before ball contact), they get a foul. That's why a slider for "foul frequency" wouldn't work, and why some people hated the demo's referees. The logic behind how ball possesion and fouls are determined is broken so to mask it they just hide it behind barely even having fouls except the ones where it's "obvious" like from a tackle animation.
 
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rojofa said:
I'll preface this by saying I think the referees in PES 2020 are absolute dogshit, I'm not defending them. You don't get fouls for so many blatant shoves that resemble rugby tackles more than football. It ruins all online play for me how people don't get punished for mindlessly barging into you all match.

That said, it's still true to an extent that the number of fouls you get depends on how you play - if you never go near an opponent and offload the ball as soon as you get near one, they don't have the opportunity to foul you. Also if your attempts at dribbling are poor and you easily present the ball to the AI for an easy tackle rather than timing your touch/turn then it's going to be a fair tackle instead of a foul. Depending on the type of movements you do and how good you are at dribbling in the game, your foul count could differ significantly from someone else.

If I was playing a match solely to try to boost my foul count, I could play on Superstar and spam the R1 double tap when approaching a defender slowly, which with specific timing (right as/after their tackle animation starts) you take the ball away from them just in time and the tackle makes contact with your player. Constantly doing this I could probably get 10+ fouls in a match (and probably score 5 free kicks as they're so broken).

That's not to say the foul count is fine, as you are exploiting about the only trick I know which reliably results in fouls. It seems to show how the referee system works (or rather doesn't work) in that you mostly only get fouls when a tackle animation is happening so that player is clearly at fault. If players make contact when they are running/jostling/heading/shooting or in a 50/50, the game has no idea what to do or who to blame so instead of giving the decision the wrong way, it gives no decision at all. Sometimes you still see these ridiculous instances where a striker will be trying to head the ball, and gets kicked in the head by the defender who ends up getting given the foul because the striker was deemed to have fouled him, by headbutting his foot...
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I agree to an extent as well,Pes 19 League mode is my Pes game atm,I use a lot of dribbling (brilliant Vs 20) and I draw a lot of free kicks,but in 20 not nearly as many,just like on 18
 
5_Gullit said:
I found a new interview today were Robbye Ron says that pes 2021 gameplay will show several improvements. I'm not saying it will be great, but i hope at least some bugs were fixed.
https://amp.rpp.pe/videojuegos/jueg...ami-noticia-1289560?__twitter_impression=true
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