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Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a game engine is. A game does not magically have better animations because it's UE5 over UE4.
MGS GZ and TPP run on the FOX Engine too and they have far better animations than PES could ever hope to achieve, because it comes down to the talent themselves. NBA 2K runs on 2k's proprietary engine, Ecomotion and it's, by far, the best animated sports game.
And no, UE5 is not available to anyone except Epic themselves at this point.
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༺Ƥeຮ༻
Championship
- 13 July 2020
And that don't explain why 99% of questions in beta survey are about gameplay, graphics and mechanics...
Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
Here's a perfect example:
This is Shenmue I, running on whatever Sega AM2 was using to develop it.
This is Shenmue III, running on UE4.
The difference is that the game that came out in 1998 had much more talented people working on it. People that had worked on Virtua Fighter, one of pioneers of good animation in 3D games. The other game was developed by a bunch of cheap labor, with no experience.
There is no question that UE4 is a much better game engine than whatever the first 2 Shenmues were running on, but the people that made the first two were much better at their jobs and had much more experience. A game engine is just a set of tools that make your life easier as a developer. If you're not very good then there's no set of tools that will change that.
This is Shenmue I, running on whatever Sega AM2 was using to develop it.
This is Shenmue III, running on UE4.
The difference is that the game that came out in 1998 had much more talented people working on it. People that had worked on Virtua Fighter, one of pioneers of good animation in 3D games. The other game was developed by a bunch of cheap labor, with no experience.
There is no question that UE4 is a much better game engine than whatever the first 2 Shenmues were running on, but the people that made the first two were much better at their jobs and had much more experience. A game engine is just a set of tools that make your life easier as a developer. If you're not very good then there's no set of tools that will change that.
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Yup - UE4, within itself, can handle pretty much anything animation-wise - particularly with different plugins etc. Doesn't really matter how complex it is, within reason. As Shikashi says, it's down to talent / investment / resource / how much they even want to do it better. UE4 can handle all sorts of animations, inverse kinematics, reactive sofy body physics etc. etc. UE5 is nicer, but UE4 is plenty powerful enough to do this.
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Playing some more matches on this pes-not-pes-mobile-not-mobile-alpha-beta-gamma.
Its clunky as fuck, but I can see some potential in it. Ball is definetely more detached than it was on fox. I like the new challenging defending.
I dont understand why there is no right stick player switching or burst of any sorts, but I presume it will be added in final version. I like the new dribbling and the fact that you can dribble pass people using just left stick.
Im trying full manual now as I finally discovered where to change it. Looks like Pass Assist 1 was most assisted setting.. so far I was paired up with one manual and two assisted people but im holding my ground. Loss, win and draw.
I just hope that all the glimpses of hope, like dribbling, free ball and defending wont be dumbed down or removed with final version. As we all know - these elements were in most Fox demos and every time they were removed to speed the gameplay up and make it more accessible..
Also - every now and again players just... forget about the ball... keep running while the ball is left behind... i do that from time to time myself, but im nearly 40 and dont play for Bayern...
And its so fucking clunky... did I mention that its clunky?
Edit: here's a crazy thought - I also remember first Pes games I ever played feeling really clunky until i got my head around gameplay. Im not, by any means, saying that this... mutant is similar to first Pes games, but maybe, just maybe - clunky isnt always bad..?
Its clunky as fuck, but I can see some potential in it. Ball is definetely more detached than it was on fox. I like the new challenging defending.
I dont understand why there is no right stick player switching or burst of any sorts, but I presume it will be added in final version. I like the new dribbling and the fact that you can dribble pass people using just left stick.
Im trying full manual now as I finally discovered where to change it. Looks like Pass Assist 1 was most assisted setting.. so far I was paired up with one manual and two assisted people but im holding my ground. Loss, win and draw.
I just hope that all the glimpses of hope, like dribbling, free ball and defending wont be dumbed down or removed with final version. As we all know - these elements were in most Fox demos and every time they were removed to speed the gameplay up and make it more accessible..
Also - every now and again players just... forget about the ball... keep running while the ball is left behind... i do that from time to time myself, but im nearly 40 and dont play for Bayern...
And its so fucking clunky... did I mention that its clunky?
Edit: here's a crazy thought - I also remember first Pes games I ever played feeling really clunky until i got my head around gameplay. Im not, by any means, saying that this... mutant is similar to first Pes games, but maybe, just maybe - clunky isnt always bad..?
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Marlon Anthony
Purist
I'm theorising and also hoping, that the clunky feeling is more due to latency from playing online, previous PES games have had this stiff feel with controls and input delay while playing online and even 2021 suffers from this still while other games not so much which is probably one of the reasons for this testing.
Isn't Adam the marketing master over there? Isn't he supposedly in charge of all of this?
Yeah. I believe it'll be the same, just with better grass textures and 4k res. Maybe the lighting.
Other than those I don't expect anything else.
Better you all keep your expectations in check and believe what you see now is what you'll mostly get in a few months.
I'd like to say I don't have an issue with the gameplay from what I've played. It feels better and organic overall. I just don't know how it'll play offline since we haven't tried that yet. I hope the CPU AI isn't brain dead and repetitive.
Here's a perfect example:
This is Shenmue I, running on whatever Sega AM2 was using to develop it.
This is Shenmue III, running on UE4.
The difference is that the game that came out in 1998 had much more talented people working on it. People that had worked on Virtua Fighter, one of pioneers of good animation in 3D games. The other game was developed by a bunch of cheap labor, with no experience.
There is no question that UE4 is a much better game engine than whatever the first 2 Shenmues were running on, but the people that made the first two were much better at their jobs and had much more experience. A game engine is just a set of tool that make your life easier as a developer. If you're not very good then there's no set of tools that will change that.
I feel you but this gif from Shenmue III is not from the version that released to the world so I wouldn't use that for your argument.
Oh well, it's AM2 you're talking about... One of the most talented teams ever.
Okayasu and Mifune were aces at what they did.
UE5 have autamatic calculations for some parts of animations, they even shown that on demo when girl is walking amd fighting that monster in some apocaliptic enviroment.
My though than was that animations techniqe will be good use in PES.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Than its officially a very very very very bad sign.
its999maggle
Custom Title:
It is since February.
It's definitely a welcome addition but I feel like this is something we should have already had for years and we should now be getting a more advanced version. This feels super on rails and unnatural to me. It's a single animation where the ball is thrown perfectly to the keeper. If there's no variation, this will get old quickly. I was hoping to see ball boys run to pick up balls and throw them to the nearest player in any position, a more dynamic/intelligent version. It would be also great to see them stall when the home side is in the lead and hurry up when they're losing.
I'm also curious about what happens after the gif ends, does the camera switch to behind the keeper?
In any case, right now they have more important issues to fix to be worrying about ball boys
Sovereign Hope
Championship
- 8 August 2017
The cutscenes are next gen compare to the gameplay if you notice. Its like a different game between those two.
Shikashi
League 1
- 6 November 2009
I think it’s on early access since May, but not available for actual work to anyone outside Epic.
its999maggle
Custom Title:
You can literally download it right now from epic launcher.
Marlon Anthony
Purist
Don't quote me on this but I think he's been promoted and his role is different now? However when he was doing the social media ambassador work, it was through his own Twitter account rather than the offical PES channel which I found a little odd but yes, him and Asim did seem to do more promotional work via their own accounts than the PES one did.
He also uploads pretty high quality footage from the console games, I don't think he's using native PS4/PS5 shareplay for capturing footage, I think he must have some kind of badass 4K capture card and good editing software.
janguv
Premier League
- 2 November 2016
Re burst here, did you mean the sprint burst you used to be able to do with a double tap R1, or something else like sending players on a run?
If the former, then I think it's still there in this:
They are demonstrating that as a way to skin players, but from memory I think it works without a nearby player.
NIK778899
Premier League
- 30 August 2013
- Staff
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Yeah I meant double R1 tap. Altho I couldnt figure out how to send my players on a run either.. had to wait until they decided to run themselves.. so yeah, kinda both..
Re the clip - Im not sure this would work on a normal run, when you have a bit of space. The one on the video is more like a Take Off, rather than continuous burst.
He wasnt holding sprint initially and then he "burst" pass the player. But you cant really use it when you are on the run and just want to knock the ball further I dont think..
Spursfan07
International
- 10 February 2019
Player models and kit physics look horrible
Like they all haven’t eaten in weeks
Abdouibra
Non-League
- 21 October 2020
KaKa'225
Kaka'255
- 27 March 2011
It could use a Endo turf.
Graphic is one thing but That beat sounds slick tho, another point + from me to sound designer 💲🎙️
That's my prediction, the only thing that will be next-gen/something slightly close to the teaser is the cut scenes, MyClub ball openings etc. Ultimately it's the communities mistake for thinking the gameplay would be like the teaser, because they never said that, it was just a showcase of what the artists can do in UE, but not necessarily what can be incorporated into gameplay. I could be wrong and hopefully I am, but like UFOs I want to believe but there just isn't any good evidence for them yet.