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msgbk83 said:
Please don't put words in my mouth that I never said. I didn't deny anything I just said blaming every problem on the Mobile Port is the wrong approach and to quote myself: even if they have a Mobile Port it doesn't have to influence the main game.

Now I am not an English first speaker but for me my sentence just says: that they don't have to take the road of taking over things from the Mobile game. Now are they doing some things because of it? Yeah, but I never denied it. My argument is: let's not focus on them having a Mobile Port but to make arguments what they should improve on console no matter what they do for the Mobile game.

I could now use your sentence of: "that sort of mishap happens"...yadda yadda, but instead just for the next time don't say things that I never said.
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God you are so bloody touchy :LOL:

I used the rider of "more or less" because I couldn't remember exactly and wasn't focusing on what you said but the point of my post (which Mazen was confused about). Incidentally, it wasn't a million miles off, so I don't know why you're creating a stink over this. You wrote:
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2. Since they announced they want Cross Play and use a similar Engine people have gone a bit crazy with the "it's a Mobile Game" argument. Anything negative is now attested to PES having a Mobile Port. Nevermind that the Mobile Port is not even out right now. Still people try to put every problem the game has on the Mobile Port. Which for me is kinda the wrong argument.

First of all there are some things on efootball that can't be done on Mobile yet and second even if they have a Mobile Port it doesn't have to influence the main game. So the focus should really just be what they can improve on PC and Console with good arguments instead of blaming the Mobile Crowd or the Mobile Port. Let's focus on getting Konami to make the best Console and PC version with good arguments and examples.
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I think it's fair to summarise this in part as that you do not think the present game we have is much inspired by the mobile game. That would seem to be the underlying idea.

But even if it's not, it's a mountain out of a molehill situation.

The point I was making in my original reply was simply that it's reasonable to assume that (a) the present console/PC title is made with certain mobile limitations in mind, and (b) that explains some of the things we see in the game already. So (implicit conclusion) (c) your claim that people are too quick to assume that mobile is a limiting and influential factor is probably a bit off – people have good reason to think this.

Yadda, yadda...
 
janguv said:
God you are so bloody touchy :LOL:

I used the rider of "more or less" because I couldn't remember exactly and wasn't focusing on what you said but the point of my post (which Mazen was confused about). Incidentally, it wasn't a million miles off, so I don't know why you're creating a stink over this. You wrote:

I think it's fair to summarise this in part as that you do not think the present game we have is much inspired by the mobile game. That would seem to be the underlying idea.

But even if it's not, it's a mountain out of a molehill situation.

The point I was making in my original reply was simply that it's reasonable to assume that (a) the present console/PC title is made with certain mobile limitations in mind, and (b) that explains some of the things we see in the game already. So (implicit conclusion) (c) your claim that people are too quick to assume that mobile is a limiting and influential factor is probably a bit off – people have good reason to think this.

Yadda, yadda...
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All you are showing is that you didn't understand my point. Don't worry it happens. My point was: it doesn't matter if it was or wasn't inspired by the Mobile Game.

The focus should be on the games quality itself and feedback to that and good arguments. Saying the Mobile Game shouldn't exist is just the wrong point which was the original Twitter post I talked about.

Instead of attacking Mobile Users or the Mobile game the focus should be on how to get the best game for Console and PC. And there good detailed feedback is better than: it's a Mobile Game Port. So that's why I would take the focus away from that.
 
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msgbk83 said:
All you are showing is that you didn't understand my point. Don't worry it happens.
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I think your point, before, was essentially that people shouldn't be so quick to blame the mobile game for the problems of the console/PC game.

Whereas I think, actually, they have some good reason to do that. As a couple of people also pointed out in reply (and you didn't respond to them).

Did I get it wrong? Am I too dim to comprehend your nuance?
 
janguv said:
I think your point, before, was essentially that people shouldn't be so quick to blame the mobile game for the problems of the console/PC game.

Whereas I think, actually, they have some good reason to do that. As a couple of people also pointed out in reply (and you didn't respond to them).

Did I get it wrong? Am I too dim to comprehend your nuance?
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My point was: the Mobile Game shouldn't be the focus since other companies have Mobile Football games and still a quality console game.

So blaming the Mobile Crowd or saying: PESMobile shouldn't exist is just the wrong direction.

We should just demand good gameplay from the console version and detached the criticism from the Mobile version. Focus on what we play on Console and PC right now especially since there is no mobile eversion out yet. Feedback on improvements for the versions that are out now instead of constantly talking about mobile.

So yeah you missed my point.

Maybe didn't phrase it well but you missed it.
 
msgbk83 said:
So yeah you missed my point.
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Not really. Look, you presuppose the point I'm arguing against when you use it as an implicit premise right here:
msgbk83 said:
We should just demand good gameplay from the console version and detached the criticism from the Mobile version. Focus on what we play on Console and PC right now especially since there is no mobile eversion out yet. Feedback on improvements for the versions that are out now instead of constantly talking about mobile.
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We "should" only detach our criticism of the present game from the mobile game if what you presuppose (and what many others deny) is true: namely, that the console/PC title isn't influenced to a significant degree and limited by the mobile game.

Your calls for people to stop with the mobile-based criticisms are based on the idea that mobile isn't a likely cause of the issues in the present game. I disagree, as do others.
 
Again putting words in my mouth or twisting them. Amazing. Is it really so hard to understand?

I never deny that some of the ideas or features might be because of cross play with the Mobile Port maybe even because of feature share and still I think that talking constantly about Mobile and the Mobile game that isn't out yet is not really achieving anything and redundant.

You can talk about gameplay and features without constantly saying: it's mobile.

You can ask for improvements without caring about the Mobile version.

That doesn't make you a denier of anything, it just puts your focus on the version that is out now.

And saying that what I say is based on the idea of mobile not being a cause is just one thing: false.
 
msgbk83 said:
Again putting words in my mouth or twisting them. Amazing. Is it really so hard to understand?

I never deny that some of the ideas or features might be because of cross play with the Mobile Port maybe even because of feature share and still I think that talking constantly about Mobile and the Mobile game that isn't out yet is not really achieving anything and redundant.

You can talk about gameplay and features without constantly saying: it's mobile.

You can ask for improvements without caring about the Mobile version.

That doesn't make you a denier of anything, it just puts your focus on the version that is out now.

And saying that what I say is based on the idea of mobile not being a cause is just one thing: false.
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We are going round in an interminable circle. Tiresome.

You wrote:
msgbk83 said:
First of all there are some things on efootball that can't be done on Mobile yet and second even if they have a Mobile Port it doesn't have to influence the main game.
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I think by these points you want to disabuse others of the idea that the console/PC game's problems are not a result of the mobile game. You're wanting to drive a wedge there, conceptually, in between those two versions. And that's okay. But so too is it okay for people to speculate and infer about the relationship between those games, and for them to diagnose problems they see on that basis or compose arguments about the console/PC game on that basis.

I don't know why you're so keen to delimit the bounds of argument here, and to insist that if people criticise the game, they do so without referencing the mobile game. It's weird, frankly.
 
msgbk83 said:
Let's leave it at that, since I feel the same about discussions with you.
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Okay, let's leave it there. As a wise man once popped into my DMs here to say, not at all passively aggressively, "Enjoy your evening."
 
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Mathgamer said:
I believe people are not blaming the community that plays PES Mobile, but rather the restriction of building a game that has Cross Play with Mobile. KONAMI could make two games, and that would perhaps help create a next gen game.
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Yes. Some people are purposely ignoring what Kimura said in that interview with IGN last year. It has nothing to do with PES mobile users and more to do with the sudden shift and the new different direction Coinami took during the development of Efootball. Coinami decided it would be financially advantageous for them to make a shift from whatever they had planned with "next gen" PES 2022, and use the blueprint from their pay to win mobile game as a structure for the console and the PC version of Efootball 2022. They are banking on the hope that it will generate the same amount of monetary success as it did with PES mobile.

EDIT: I remind everyone, Coinami is a AAA company. Some people here and elsewhere talk as if they have some stock in Coinami shares or something with the amount of defending they do for a company that is clearly taking advantage of it's fanbase.
 
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pesfooty29 said:
Yes. Some people are purposely ignoring what Kimura said in that interview with IGN last year. During development of Efootball, Coinami decided it would be financially advantageous for them to make a shift from whatever they had planned for with PES 2022, and take inspiration from the PES mobile game, which is their most successful football game to date in terms of revenue and downloads, and use that as a blueprint for the console and the PC version of Efootball 2022. Today, We have a FTP game with microtransactions with a heavy emphasis on online modes like Dream Team which is just another version of Myclub. They are banking on the hope that it will generate the same amount of monetary success as it did with PES mobile, and the sad truth is it just might work.
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I agree with almost all of this – bar the bit I've bolded.

I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) we've had any admission from anyone at Konami that they changed tack to produce eFootball. I know it's quite a popular explanation people use to account for just how drastically shit it got after that extra year they gave themselves (and after the Unreal teaser). I can see the appeal!

But we never really had anything solid to back that up – just usual marketing guff about how great the new game would be, a year out from release. I think that was just talk to try buying our good will for another year's delay, and to encourage our investment in a roster refresh in the interim.

Granted, it is a more cynical view (and so naturally, I hold it) to think this. This is what I reckon: they planned this all along – the name/brand change (they were incrementally getting there anyway), the increasing esports focus, the mobile game being out a little while and a big earner, the yearly release of myClub as a standalone F2P game, the complete neglect of offline modes and AI quality, their statements that they were closing down console IP and focusing on the mobile space, and the acknowledgement for some time that they were due to change engine soon. All of these were signs.

As terrible as it was when it launched, I think they really did aim for something like what we're seeing now in v1.0 for most of its development window. That to me just underscores how the company has a narrow, profit-centric mindset at its heart (quality of the products be damned), and also how incompetent they are, because they couldn't even deliver on that. I think it makes the rest of what you wrote even worse really – if it's by design and not a rushed change of plan.
 
The game is literally upscaled mobile port. PES 2021 mobile on the other hand had a separate version, so the console and pc versiosn were different and not based on the mobile version.

But according the konami's own statements, it seems like the mobile and pc/console versions are based on same code with pc/consoles getting improvements in top of that.

But if that's the case, that alone makes the game shitty. I rest my case.
 
Sami 1999 said:
The game is literally upscaled mobile port. PES 2021 mobile on the other hand had a separate version, so the console and pc versiosn were different and not based on the mobile version.

But according the konami's own statements, it seems like the mobile and pc/console versions are based on same code with pc/consoles getting improvements in top of that.

But if that's the case, that alone makes the game shitty. I rest my case.
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pesfooty29 said:
Yes. Some people are purposely ignoring what Kimura said in that interview with IGN last year. It has nothing to do with PES mobile users and more to do with the sudden shift and the new different direction Coinami took during the development of Efootball. Coinami decided it would be financially advantageous for them to make a shift from whatever they had planned with "next gen" PES 2022, and use the blueprint from their pay to win mobile game as a structure for the console and the PC version of Efootball 2022. They are banking on the hope that it will generate the same amount of monetary success as it did with PES mobile.

EDIT: I remind everyone, Coinami is a AAA company. Some people here and elsewhere talk as if they have some stock in Coinami shares or something with the amount of defending they do for a company that is clearly taking advantage of it's fanbase.
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Correction: Coinami was a AAA company.
 
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