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On Division like on Season (Fifa) i don't know, people seems less boring or just playing dumbass for, or win if you quit, or trying to gets you irritated as they're frustrated that you've already won.

One day i remember, i was about to lost. It was 4-0. I've made a remontada and just took one point. The guy send me "very good match my friend" and one thing like we scored some lucky goal don't remember but it was fun. But sometimes you receive "ugly play, you were very lucky" with an insult.
There's still cunt, but a bit less kids on those Online mode i suppose.

But you can quit sometimes for any other reason, i did it sometimes because i launched a game and was too much tired.
What is more annoying is what people do or not on the pitch to me. Long celebrations doing the robot or some shit to annoy you, for their first or second goal etc., and sometimes (even often) you score some goals and won. Or completely destroy him with a 6-2.

Don't know if on PES there's long humilating celebration online. But i suppose it's the same than on Fifa Season as the mode is identical (take a team, start at a low division and goes up)
 
And after all we speak about how poor performing is the game by Konami in many aspects and how short-sighted politics has about offline modes when they are players ( I presume certain age’s area whiteout blaming them) and as the social shows are more than fifa players .
why then Konami listen the offline lovers when things goes perfect according numbers for them . And putting mobile players in that in may ?!?!?……after a year and if we speak about offline mode . Even one . Payable or not .
 
milenec11 said:
It’s first time that I see a sport game that the players has no face expression no hair movement no finger movements nothing.
You have to thing for exp that fifa has visible motion at quadriceps muscles. Not to speak about hair ……
This unreal engine ?
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I really think they got issue with that so they decided to make the minimum for not having some Jim Carrey everywhere lol. I suppose they're working on it.
Just don't want to have 0.9 facial stuffs. I even prefers they just don't move for the moment.

Remember that even if you don't like it, but it's another example showing that the game is still under construction. But playable so they released it.
And there will be several update planned if people follow the game / or nothing if it crashes.

You seems to talk like it's a final version. I ain't a fan neither due to the lack of offline content, or no "Division" mode at least so i don't play it, but there's some obvious stuffs.
They said Spring, they released on spring. They could have done it in July with more stuffs on it.
Not defending them at all, but from the 0.9.1, they practically recreated a new game. I ain't a fan of many stuff but now it's stable and well... I don't saw only flaws when i take a look at a game, also positive stuff (positive for me). As i try to be objective.

Like controlling, dribbing with the R2 is very satisfying for example, and you really feel the impact of the right Trigger push.
Also that it's totally free, and i played my games on Practice mode, well the 10 min. is better for the stamina impact of course.

But in counterpart from being free, and playable, and released on spring like they did : you got nothing to buy. I would say that's the price of recreating a game from practically scratch when i see the previous version from "7 months" ago. And do they won money right now? Not that much then.
Even if DDL gives them some money from Steam or PSN or X Gamepass.
 
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vialli82 said:
I really think they got issue with that so they decided to make the minimum for not having some Jim Carrey everywhere lol. I suppose they're working on it.
Just don't want to have 0.9 facial stuffs. I even prefers they just don't move for the moment.

Remember that even if you don't like it, but it's another example showing that the game is still under construction. But playable so they released it.
And there will be several update planned if people follow the game / or nothing if it crashes.

You seems to talk like it's a final version. I ain't a fan neither due to the lack of offline content, or no "Division" mode at least so i don't play it, but there's some obvious stuffs.
They said Spring, they released on spring. They could have done it in July with more stuffs on it.
Not defending them at all, but from the 0.9.1, they practically recreated a new game. I ain't a fan of many stuff but now it's stable and well... I don't saw only flaws when i take a look at a game, also positive stuff (positive for me). As i try to be objective.

Like controlling, dribbing with the R2 is very satisfying for example, and you really feel the impact of the right Trigger push.
Also that it's totally free, and i played my games on Practice mode, well the 10 min. is better for the stamina impact of course.

But in counterpart from being free, and playable, and released on spring like they did : you got nothing to buy. I would say that's the price of recreating a game from practically scratch when i see the previous version from "7 months" ago. And do they won money right now? Not that much then.
Even if DDL gives them some money from Steam or PSN or X Gamepass.
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On that , I believe that sposmodic moves never benefit’s nobody .
It was better for me to postpone for a year the release ( exp ? Gran turismo they release a game when is perfect but there is Sony to speak not Konami ) and on two versions one online free and in-game persuades goods as in mobile games ( after all this is a mobile game only other platforms are collateral for them ) and second a version free but payable which version of mode you want to download but releasing at the same time
Konami they never had a CEO’s had editors and last years poor performing editors and not at all soccer fun’s
 
A football or Basket or NHL game is different you know that, we talked about it a thousand time, and i would say "unfortunately". The Season Update was a good idea even if they did shit with Kimura and co project litterally fucked up their time with things we still got no idea, but it's sure something "exploded" during the process.
So yes you're right, better to postpone a project. But two year is difficult to accept for that kind of game.

A release by season is needed. There's no season of Gran Turismo, it's not an F1 game, they can take their time like if it was for Elden Ring or GTA.. Well for them it's a special case as Rockstar seels rich enough to do anything more than shitty remake.
Gran Turismo is more like a Sony Exclusive stuff so.


Edit : even if for me... It would have been ideal another season update with small retouch. Small simple +...
As i'm patient, and i brought a PS2 and got tons of version to try + PES 2014 to replay, and other thing than always football games; playing that only and editing it (as i want a database made by myself before starting lol, or checking mistake on an O.F.)... Well i repeat, playing always and only the 2 football games available will drive you crazy and you will lost all that you should normally appreciate.

I'm even struggling to continue God of War due to my editing project. And still got Nioh 2 and Demon's Souls waiting for me to play...
One day i'll need to put a big "stop" from that football games and editing addiction, and that day will came soon, thrust me.
 
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If we are satisfied playing one or games in training mode is us that blaming cause we value something that is not worth it.
Its better to boycott than even speak about them .
And I am going to follow that line .
I am 51 years old . PES series was the point that got me involved with the electronic games .
I played soooooo manyyyy games alone or with a friend or kids , I create tools ,converters ,kits ,players ,leagues for my Greek PES community evolving a good game to became visible better or in some manner complete.
And Konami as I saw did not like it . They didn’t want to evolute they didn’t not want communities like this one , they just want sheeps.
actions also have reactions . They act we react . How ??? We must give our react to them somehow .
Don’t just make grumpy conversation between nuggy wifes .
 
I ain't satisfy mate. Just told my experience, what i did. I just avoided that Dream Team and that 5 minute game, that's all. If i was i would have played everyday. But i played one day during 1 hour, and another 20 minutes since it's out.
So no that's not worth it. But the fact that i see that game as a beta doesn't push me that much to play more. I just don't play at all so... FTM i can't even be considered as a customer lol

Well if it's about the unlock, they're probably planning an "unlock dlc" that will make them a bit of money. That's what i think, i'm perhaps wrong but if it was the case... Their reaction is normal if you already do something that will be sold in i don't know, a month.

It should be disrepectful if the game was brought for 49.99 or whatever. I don't know what i would do if i was at their place with a business man suit.
Even if PC doesn't rapport that much to them i think compared to console.
 
It’s not about the unlock mate
It’s about haw they treat us . They didn’t gave the respect that are years of supporting deserve.
The buyers and players did not reduced because we wake one morning and said what to do this day ahaaa don’t buy or play PES or PRO . They reduced because they stop evolute . Their’ s fault not ours . And want they do to attract players ? To regaining them ? They disrespect a big portion of the pie , the offline players. “I don’t want you to play with my friend”. Their act are clear message to me . “I don’t want you”
It about respect mate . If you are a man and you wearing pants not for covering your nude body but proudly you are not give an interview saying “ ohhhh offline hmmmm and ahhhh if hmmmmmm etc etc “ if you have honor as a person you said we have plans to release it this year ( offline modes ) or the game remains as it is .
Tell me where in any road map or interview is a releasing season ? I don’t know , I knew that Japanese are proud people with honor . Kimura is Japanese ?
 
What's funny is that's not really comparable as the "DreamTeam" and the "playable" game is out at the end of the season.
When everyone gets bored from others sports games, and they're like alone on the online market.
If we can call it a market as there's nothing to buy
 
Ribas2810 said:
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That's the main goal(ONLINE)

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I tried to watch some fifa streamers playing the game. Most of them appreciate the gameplay, most of them appreciate that even with its flaws this plays better than FUT online.

But, like i said, gameplay can do only so much. Konami should give a lot more variety to their modes. A lot more diversified events, a lot more challenges to make people engaged. While Dream Team doesn't really interest me, there is still a little hope that the game being more visible and earning more ( you can't buy Legends without coins, it's all about the coins and FUT like packs) could suggest the team to invest a lot more effort for offline modes too.

I know it's wishful thinking. ML will arrive next year and wil be worse than the Pes 2021 one, that's the truth.
 
Ameppe said:
I tried to watch some fifa streamers playing the game. Most of them appreciate the gameplay, most of them appreciate that even with its flaws this plays better than FUT online.

But, like i said, gameplay can do only so much. Konami should give a lot more variety to their modes. A lot more diversified events, a lot more challenges to make people engaged. While Dream Team doesn't really interest me, there is still a little hope that the game being more visible and earning more ( you can't buy Legends without coins, it's all about the coins and FUT like packs) could suggest the team to invest a lot more effort for offline modes too.

I know it's wishful thinking. ML will arrive next year and wil be worse than the Pes 2021 one, that's the truth.
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Is not easy to see a fifa game cause they are sliders their which they are game changer .
 
Ameppe said:
I tried to watch some fifa streamers playing the game. Most of them appreciate the gameplay, most of them appreciate that even with its flaws this plays better than FUT online.

But, like i said, gameplay can do only so much. Konami should give a lot more variety to their modes. A lot more diversified events, a lot more challenges to make people engaged. While Dream Team doesn't really interest me, there is still a little hope that the game being more visible and earning more ( you can't buy Legends without coins, it's all about the coins and FUT like packs) could suggest the team to invest a lot more effort for offline modes too.

I know it's wishful thinking. ML will arrive next year and wil be worse than the Pes 2021 one, that's the truth.
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It’s not planning at all a ML mode. It’s collateral to them . They release ML because they probably they forced to realese it . And I am afraid that is not planning an edit mode as we know it cause there are any PAS PEU etc league . If they game be profitable after cross play with mobiles do you really believe that they gone to respect offline players ?
 
I believe that will be only playable DLCs league with around 5,99€ per league (according their reputation PREMIER 10€ USL 6€ etc) without transfers . Just leagues . That for some one who wants all the leagues to play will be more profitable for Konami than make a unlock package of 50€ or so .
 
milenec11 said:
It’s not about the unlock mate
It’s about haw they treat us . They didn’t gave the respect that are years of supporting deserve.
The buyers and players did not reduced because we wake one morning and said what to do this day ahaaa don’t buy or play PES or PRO . They reduced because they stop evolute . Their’ s fault not ours . And want they do to attract players ? To regaining them ? They disrespect a big portion of the pie , the offline players. “I don’t want you to play with my friend”. Their act are clear message to me . “I don’t want you”
It about respect mate . If you are a man and you wearing pants not for covering your nude body but proudly you are not give an interview saying “ ohhhh offline hmmmm and ahhhh if hmmmmmm etc etc “ if you have honor as a person you said we have plans to release it this year ( offline modes ) or the game remains as it is .
Tell me where in any road map or interview is a releasing season ? I don’t know , I knew that Japanese are proud people with honor . Kimura is Japanese ?
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I just think they're, including Kimura, totally off what people want, especially Kimura, the new "fresh" director : for him he see that myclub is popular, looks like he got no idea about the past and the Offline community. I really believe he miss the akwnowledge of PES history.

Well, we still don't even know what and when they will release stuff, but at least there's too much demand for Edit and ML modes.
I would like also much more demand for a mode to "create a league", but well. People active on social networks doesn't seems to care to not having a created Bundesliga, one of the top 4 league in the world.

Or for your people, Greek Superleague... It's pretty sad. And we're too old, well not in term of age but in terms of "we already did enough" to push the button again and again. Even my good old friend who were like you on Evo-web plays Onlne only! In a different way well, on 10 vs 10 but still.

I feel like we're in a cave here, don't you feel apart sometimes when you see others people? Even if on Pesteam italia and many spanish, and brasilian forums they complains.
But i received tons of demand when i was editing and creating teams for 2020 and 2021 season on PESUNI. What my frenchs friends said to me, is politely that all that matter for him was kits as he don't play offline.

One last thing : what's the point to create USL when not a single player will be used on DreamTeam? I suppose there will be of course other mode where you can use those teams... Offline, and probably online too (even if no one will use Las Vegas Lights online haha the only USL team i remember with Miami FC)

And yes, japanese culture is very about respect.
It's like they don't know that their game is also played offline. But let's wait a bit for modes. That's all i said. When you see there's more low rated teams than high rated... For nothing?... I don't believe it too much. They will serve in a way or another.
But better not playing Nostradamus too much. We're just in the fog about mode, and their functionnement. I made some jokes about it but i don't have clue.

But one league for 6 euros not updated lol, i don't believe that. There's around 15-20 leagues, and without mode, the game was sold 50-60 euros full and with your calculation it will cost about 200 euros for a simple basis, it's way too much it's suicide.
 
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milenec11 said:
It’s not about the unlock mate
It’s about haw they treat us . They didn’t gave the respect that are years of supporting deserve.
The buyers and players did not reduced because we wake one morning and said what to do this day ahaaa don’t buy or play PES or PRO . They reduced because they stop evolute . Their’ s fault not ours . And want they do to attract players ? To regaining them ? They disrespect a big portion of the pie , the offline players. “I don’t want you to play with my friend”. Their act are clear message to me . “I don’t want you”
It about respect mate . If you are a man and you wearing pants not for covering your nude body but proudly you are not give an interview saying “ ohhhh offline hmmmm and ahhhh if hmmmmmm etc etc “ if you have honor as a person you said we have plans to release it this year ( offline modes ) or the game remains as it is .
Tell me where in any road map or interview is a releasing season ? I don’t know , I knew that Japanese are proud people with honor . Kimura is Japanese ?
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What has this to do with honor. What a strange take.

If you are a game developer and don't know if you will make a Master League Mode by the end of the year then you say it is in plans to have one but you can't give a date yet.

In this case it's better to underpromise and then deliver instead of saying "it will be done by the end of the year" and then having to release a broken mess of a mode.

Can we please leave topics and sayings like "Honor" out of this. I find these personal attacks towards Kimura quite disturbing to say the least.

In the end it's a game. If you don't like it play an older version of PES, but attacking a person behind the game who in the end is doing his job (now you can argue if it is a good or bad one) and also answering to board members etc (who might demand different things from him than players) and is giving a very conservative interview so to not promise something they might not be able to deliver, is out of line.
 
robozaoGOAT said:
according to janguv its your fault
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Don't see the point in this. I already said we won't agree on scripting. It's an article of faith for you and for many.

The claim, incidentally, is not that "it's your fault" when dodgy stuff happens. That's not the only alternative.
 
msgbk83 said:
What has this to do with honor. What a strange take.

If you are a game developer and don't know if you will make a Master League Mode by the end of the year then you say it is in plans to have one but you can't give a date yet.

In this case it's better to underpromise and then deliver instead of saying "it will be done by the end of the year" and then having to release a broken mess of a mode.

Can we please leave topics and sayings like "Honor" out of this. I find these personal attacks towards Kimura quite disturbing to say the least.

In the end it's a game. If you don't like it play an older version of PES, but attacking a person behind the game who in the end is doing his job (now you can argue if it is a good or bad one) and also answering to board members etc (who might demand different things from him than players) and is giving a very conservative interview so to not promise something they might not be able to deliver, is out of line.
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It’s my opinion and I am master of it as I should be at my age . I believe Kimura is not in need of a lawyer .
 
vialli82 said:
I just think they're, including Kimura, totally off what people want, especially Kimura, the new "fresh" director : for him he see that myclub is popular, looks like he got no idea about the past and the Offline community. I really believe he miss the akwnowledge of PES history.

Well, we still don't even know what and when they will release stuff, but at least there's too much demand for Edit and ML modes.
I would like also much more demand for a mode to "create a league", but well. People active on social networks doesn't seems to care to not having a created Bundesliga, one of the top 4 league in the world.

Or for your people, Greek Superleague... It's pretty sad. And we're too old, well not in term of age but in terms of "we already did enough" to push the button again and again. Even my good old friend who were like you on Evo-web plays Onlne only! In a different way well, on 10 vs 10 but still.

I feel like we're in a cave here, don't you feel apart sometimes when you see others people? Even if on Pesteam italia and many spanish, and brasilian forums they complains.
But i received tons of demand when i was editing and creating teams for 2020 and 2021 season on PESUNI. What my frenchs friends said to me, is politely that all that matter for him was kits as he don't play offline.

One last thing : what's the point to create USL when not a single player will be used on DreamTeam? I suppose there will be of course other mode where you can use those teams... Offline, and probably online too (even if no one will use Las Vegas Lights online haha the only USL team i remember with Miami FC)

And yes, japanese culture is very about respect.
It's like they don't know that their game is also played offline. But let's wait a bit for modes. That's all i said. When you see there's more low rated teams than high rated... For nothing?... I don't believe it too much. They will serve in a way or another.
But better not playing Nostradamus too much. We're just in the fog about mode, and their functionnement. I made some jokes about it but i don't have clue.

But one league for 6 euros not updated lol, i don't believe that. There's around 15-20 leagues, and without mode, the game was sold 50-60 euros full and with your calculation it will cost about 200 euros for a simple basis, it's way too much it's suicide.
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It’s most sandly not feeling as living in a cave . You know for our country we make the same thing for our community and of course for ABSOLUTELY FREE. I can’t believe that someone take a director’s seat in a company without read about the products the pos and neg of them . Or the employees that the company has .
You know I speak from director view ( cause I am in my work ) that are some steps to accept such potition .
 
staffan said:
Never heard that one before. Multiple streamers "switching over" at the same time probably means they are being paid
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Well, I do think that Asim back in the day made sure to keep relationships with FIFA streamers. There used to be a common thing where a FIFA streamer would make a big deal out of PES for a bit. I always presumed it was a paid relationship. It makes sense, a decent way to expand their reach.

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Konami reached the target

That's the main goal(ONLINE)

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Ha, except they haven't actually reached any goal of value when you consider player counts:

And it turns out, that may not be the half of it:


So, if that's true, you have a situation where Konami likely pay big FIFA streamers to try out the game (or they try out of curiosity, unpaid); then PESEP and PES Universe both take snapshots of the massively inflated Twitch viewer counts relative to FIFA; then they both share those screenshots and Adam replies to round it off as though the game has reached where it needed to be, finally.

This is all an exercise in PR/optics, and PESEP and PES Universe are unwitting PR tools of Konami in the process.
 
janguv said:
Don't see the point in this. I already said we won't agree on scripting. It's an article of faith for you and for many.

The claim, incidentally, is not that "it's your fault" when dodgy stuff happens. That's not the only alternative.
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Perhaps because you're a "script sceptic" lol.
I am too as there's too much parameters in account. Even when i saw a ball completely deflect from a video, who was out of the Goal, and make a total turn to enter in the goal...
I can't say with evidence if it's script of bug and the direction were supposed to aim inside the goal where the guy shooted of if it was deflected at the end just for the script (it wasn't on PES but well)

And that very obvious vid, the deflection was hilarious. Never really saw one of the kind regarding PES to be honest so...) Just some unrelated bugs.
I'm just asking myself why there's should be script in some game who have already a lot of randomness on it. And were the CPU can be smart enough to shoot where the ball is on the right place at the right moment with the right player. I can't call it script, just like someone playing pretty well.
 
milenec11 said:
It’s my opinion and I am master of it as I should be at my age . I believe Kimura is not in need of a lawyer .
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Well attacking someone's honor and crying how disrespectful it is that someone makes a product that is not to your taste are weird takes for a man that claims to be your age. Would expect that from a teenager not a grown man.

But that's just my opinion and I am a master of it.
 
msgbk83 said:
Well attacking someone's honor and crying how disrespectful it is that someone makes a product that is not to your taste are weird takes for a man that claims to be your age. Would expect that from a teenager not a grown man.

But that's just my opinion and I am a master of i
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msgbk83 said:
Well attacking someone's honor and crying how disrespectful it is that someone makes a product that is not to your taste are weird takes for a man that claims to be your age. Would expect that from a teenager not a grown man.

But that's just my opinion and I am a master of it.
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Hahaha I attack to Kimura and you judge me . Now attacking to me you are going to judge your self for doing the same thing on me? Do not judge, and you will not be judged…..”attorney”
 
guorfan said:
I fear pes 21 will be last modded pes game
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PES 21 will be the new PES 6, We'll still be modding and updating this game. To the latest season 15 years from now as we are with PES 6.

They're still finding new ways to mod both games and modify game files. PES 6 we've finally found a way to add player tattoos and PES 21 we've finally figured out how to customise the net physics.

Who knows what the community will add next, but whatever it is, it's more than what Konami are doing for their vanilla games.
 
Marlon Anthony said:
PES 21 will be the new PES 6, We'll still be modding and updating this game. To the latest season 15 years from now as we are with PES 6.

They're still finding new ways to mod both games and modify game files. PES 6 we've finally found a way to add player tattoos and PES 21 we've finally figured out how to customise the net physics.

Who knows what the community will add next, but whatever it is, it's more than what Konami are doing for their vanilla games.
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PES6 in terms of modding popularity but not in gaming experience unfortunately. Would have been nice to have such a new age game with a proper offline AI, like efootball has. Ironically.
 
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