eFootball (All Platforms)

[vialli82]

There's nothing to laugh against people who are still seeing a future for that game.
Personally i don't see the licence disappearing at al (high potential of Efootball cancelling, but not the PES franchise. It's a 25 years old game we're talking about)

But under Konami, yes, one day they will sell or the full Konami's catalogue to another big one, or only the "PES dev team" and keep their franchise.
It's all profit for the one who will buy it, i imagine Capcom for every franchise, or 2K but them are more sports based so "PES production" (i don't know if they still got a name, no importance)

Just to say : the catalog is appealing. And there's still very good good devs, super artists (just look at the appearence from scratch... There's no rival in sports games) working under that shitty building i can't imagine the condition they're working for, Konami gets inspired by some China documentary about work i think. Never been the case before : those creator needs more freedom and a better place to product. They won't resign until the game will be finished and playable (which is not at all the case ATM with their June/July modded version full of shit. Even the basis, the engine is unfinished), that's in the Japanese mentality.

 

[james goblin]

Exactly. The big mistake people are failing to realize is that he is NOT representing us. He's representing Konami, and his job is to market their game.

I don't care about 'ironing the bugs' in whatever updates they are planning. Bugs are not intentional. I care more about the intentional core mechanics of the game, like passing physics, shooting physics, player ball awareness, responsiveness and tactical off ball player runs, all tragically downgraded in eFootball. For this reason alone I wouldn't touch this new franchise before another year of work, and even then I'm not so sure how playable it would be, depending on whether or not this eFootball is representative of a 'direction' they are taking, or just an issue with them not having enough time for core mechanics.

said it when it happened and ill say it again. hiring that clown was the sight of konami hitting rock bottom. efoot is the fruit of his labour.

 

[vialli82]

If anyone still has hopes for UFL as a competitor, keep in mind that not only did the CEO and lead producer not know what manual controls meant, but he actually thought footage from modded PES2021 'wasn't real gameplay':



Here's the footage:

I told it in another forum btw. Don't thrust UFL. It will be as much as This is Football level, or one level above for the actual standards.

 

[vialli82]

said it when it happened and ill say it again. hiring that clown was the sight of konami hitting rock bottom. efoot is the fruit of his labour.

Didn't he tried to send all the feedback to the japanese team? I remember him or someone linked said it. But it was hard, lost in translation stuffs etc. and they were a bit stubborn or too much often (about feedbacks) "not a priority > striketrough the feedback from the sheet"

I just remember that he tried to work hard on Master League. That's the only thing he tried. Even in the old Q/A before all that shit there was many questions, even about having regens or not.

Don't think he's responsible at all. Just to be a Yes Man and teasing incredible stuffs that are super bad in reality, yes. Or he's too blind as a PES fan to see it.
But i don't believe that much, even Stevie Wonder would see that something is missing and would feel the disappearing players trough the pad vibration.
Just one thing is sure, he's good in itw but bad in what he does, doesn't got the level, and i don't even talk about communication.

 

[slamsoze]

I meant the shadows and the sun will move depending on the time of the match like shown on the video, I said Dinamic Weather because I'm not English, to me it means "Clima" in my mother tongue. At least it's infinitely superior than PES21 (Out of date)

For your first part, if it's really language barrier, sorry then, mea culpa.

For the last part of your quote, i could say i disagree, but i will go the other way. Why do you say it superior? In PES 2021 it has also moving shadows accroding to the time, in 2020 too. They just move during halftime.

 

[Joga]

For your first part, if it's really language barrier, sorry then, mea culpa.

For the last part of your quote, i could say i disagree, but i will go thwe other why. Why do you say it superior? In PES 2021 it has als moving shadows accroding to the time, to 2020 too. They just move during halftime.

They are having trouble dealing with the fact that the majority are still playing 2021. So they have to create a narrative.
"At least it's infinitely superior than PES21 (Out of date)" I'm seeing alot of the word "atleast" thrown around.
Yes we know, 2021 is a 2 year old game that was butchered with "updates". Probably so 2022 would look good in comparison.

P.S How convenient that language is a barrier with dynamic, but "infinitely superior" is in the vocabulary

 

[vialli82]

About UFL, as i predicted about all the newcomers F2P
"One out ! Next batter (GOALS next to be crushed. Tokushi Toua at the launch for good Manga/Anime followers)"

I really believe than we need a big company to build a football game, with an experimented entourage seriously. And we won't see it before 1 or 2 year / optimistic view : to me it's more 3 to 5 years like Boxing games (which is "easier" to do and Esport Club seems to have genius on the team and very acknowledged about Boxing) / Now pessimistic view, we won't see any new football game anymore other than EA Sport FC for more than XX years.

And even at the start, it won't reach any Fifa or PES level from those 20 years since ISS PRO (no evolution)

 

[Joga]

About UFL, as i predicted about all the newcomers F2P
"One out ! Next batter (GOALS next to be crushed. Tokushi Toua at the launch for good Manga/Anime followers)"

I don't even wanna give this UFL any sort of attention in this thread, but .. What a stupid way to introduce yourself.

These new-age companies & their greed is hilarious.
How wonderful if there was just no competition in the world, just YOUR product & you can have ALL the customers woooo! What a life.

EDIT:

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Efootball / Real / PES
Efootball is more real.
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Okay mr realistic.

Spoiler

just an ongoing pun here if someone wouldnt know

 

[slamsoze]

Okay mr realistic.

Spoiler

just an ongoing pun here if someone wouldnt know

I would add, sorting by more realistic to less:

1st) eFootball
2nd) real life
3rd) PES

I find eFootball more realistic than the real thing itself.

I told it in another forum btw. Don't thrust UFL. It will be as much as This is Football level, or one level above for the actual standards.

I cannot understand, why people who like to play offline, ML, CM, etc, put any hopes on those UFL, Goalz, etc, when they have clearly stated from the very beginning, that the games wil be at best something like PES Lite, FuT(only).

I mean it is not a product for everyone, it is clearly a PvP competitive online game.

 

[rojofa]

If anyone still has hopes for UFL as a competitor, keep in mind that not only did the CEO and lead producer not know what manual controls meant, but he actually thought footage from modded PES2021 'wasn't real gameplay':



Here's the footage:

I could tell that was PES 21 from the awful AI - the acres of space you and your midfielders had at the start, the giant chasm between the (ridiculously rigid) lines the CF received the long ball in, and the gentle stroll from a central position 50 yards out, around the entire defence into the crossing position barely contested.

These clips might look nice visually with the camera angles and mods but damn, that gameplay/AI is so bad and unrealistic. Each time I think about installing PES 21 and modding it I see a clip like this and realise what a waste of time it would be.

Funny he thought it was one of those betting games, but your clips do look very different to the typical PES content out there. Unless you follow the PC modding scene or watch your content its not that unreasonable to think it's not PES (though there are the cursor markers and radar giving it away) especially if you're a FIFA player who isn't familiar with the PES AI/gameplay/animations.

 

[manmachine]

I cannot understand, why people who like to play offline, ML, CM, etc, put any hopes on those UFL, Goalz, etc, when they have clearly stated from the very beginning, that the games wil be at best something like PES Lite, FuT(only).

I mean it is not a product for everyone, it is clearly a PvP competitive online game.

Well, Konami have also clearly stated they are focusing on making a competive game, even the name is e-Futball, but some can't wait for ML to drop, even though there's no single AI player with a clue of where the fuck the ball is, because it's an e-sport.

So yeah.

 

[Madmac79]

I could tell that was PES 21 from the awful AI - the acres of space you and your midfielders had at the start, the giant chasm between the (ridiculously rigid) lines the CF received the long ball in, and the gentle stroll from a central position 50 yards out, around the enitre defence into the crossing position barely contested.

These clips might look nice visually with the camera angles and mods but damn, that gameplay/AI is so bad and unrealistic. Each time I think about installing PES 21 and modding it I see a clip like this and realise what a waste of time it would be.

Funny he thought it was one of those betting games, but your clips do look very different to the typical PES content out there. Unless you follow the PC modding scene or watch your content its not that unreasonable to think it's not PES (though there are the cursor markers and radar giving it away) especially if you're a FIFA player who isn't familiar with the PES AI/gameplay/animations.

Agree with the first two parts. However, being the CEO/lead developer (not just a random player) and not knowing to perfection your competition (which is composed of two games in total), to the point you take Pes 21 for Virtual Football.. man that's completely ridiculous to me, to be honest.

 

[slamsoze]

Well, Konami have also clearly stated they are focusing on making a competive game, even the name is e-Futball, but some can't wait for ML to drop, even though there's no single AI player with a clue of where the fuck the ball is, because it's an e-sport.

So yeah.

Βut KONAMI "at least" gave us a false promise, even being outside the roadmap, the ML will drop as a paid DLC, just..."in the future"

But those guys behind the other new footy games, are those people that usually hate with passion the vsCOM gaming, using ofte quotes like " skillgap, competitive, PvE is boring, ok mr realistic, go play the real sport yourself outside, etc."

Agree with the first two parts. However, being the CEO/lead developer (not just a random player) and not knowing to perfection your competition (which is composed of two games in total), to the point you take Pes 21 for Virtual Football.. man that's completely ridiculous to me, to be honest.

Adding to what i said above, if those people, the only footage they have seen is MyClub/FuT,it is impossible for them to know the Manual Pass, or the heavy modded gameplay.
And all their initial establishing manifestos, was about handicap/scripting in PvP, not issues regarding other parts of the games.

 

[rojofa]

Agree with the first two parts. However, being the CEO/lead developer (not just a random player) and not knowing to perfection your competition (which is composed of two games in total), to the point you take Pes 21 for Virtual Football.. man that's completely ridiculous to me, to be honest.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one - they're probably inundated with dumb notifications being in that position, and may have only seen part of the Twitter clip (in their totally shit video player, that plays at like 120p for the first few seconds) before making a knee-jerk response.

Still not great to be making responses like that without reading/watching more carefully but I don't think it's enough to condemn UFL completely because of it.

The "not knowing about manual controls" part is more concerning to me, though I haven't seen that comment as I've not been following any of the social media surrounding it. Until they show some actual gameplay I'm not interested in what they have to say.

 

[Madmac79]

Βut KONAMI "at least" gave us a false promise, even being outside the roadmap, the ML will drop as a paid DLC, just..."in the future"

But those guys behind the other new footy games, are those people that usually hate with passion the vsCOM gaming, using ofte quotes like " skillgap, competitive, PvE is boring, ok mr realistic, go play the real sport yourself outside, etc."



Adding to what i said above, if those people, the only footage they have seen is MyClub/FuT,it is impossible for them to know the Manual Pass, or the heavy modded gameplay.
And all their initial establishing manifestos, was about handicap/scripting in PvP, not issues regarding other parts of the games.

Yeah I get what you are saying, it's highly probable that's how it happened indeed. However, if I had to enter in a market as tight as this one with a project as ambitious as they claim it is, I don't know.. I think I'd probably study every pixel of the other competitors.

Besides, don't know if I put too much faith in it, but I think a trained developer who works in gaming at this level (or at least that sell himself so) should be able to see the difference between a true game and a betting, pre-canned thing just from the details (I don't know, the cursor for example? Surely there wouldn't be one in virtual football or similar).

Anyway, as you said above - I don't exactly get strict offline people who say "competitions is good" about another pvp game, to me it's irrelevant by default, whatever if will be a triple A game or a mobile rip off quality it's the same.

 

[Hatrickhero]

i do not enjoy at all.
playing few just to get GP and that is all.
no beautiful goals, no nothing, just broken game with 0 player awareness, but still i want to see what can they fix when they release full game.

The goals mostly on high difficulties come from a cross or a shot, u can never wiggle ur way past defenders and finish it off from inside the area, another example: the non varied AI and unrealistic overpowering that happens in ML, this is the single most annoying thing that leaves a bad taste in your mouth for not having the will to continue ur ML save because u already know: the game will cheat u into losing and not being able to play ur game as u should, in the other game there is Ai cheating, but it s covered by the varied Ai manouvres during any given game,u don t feel the repetitiveness.
Another thing: the dribbling, it simply is a chore to dribble in pes 2021, u don t feel the individuality in ML, for me they need to scrap this team chemistry thing or heart or whatever u wanna call it
while the while the other game does it better, but the passing is shite,the movement of the ball is bad, wait wait, fifa 22 is here, and it fixed the passing and more importantly the ball physics, my main goal now is how to set the sliders for fifa 22 ps5 and make it play like PES, this will be the dream come true, because u have the varied ai and the ball physics, and fouls, penalties, that s it, u get the best football experience in game

 

[Hatrickhero]

*Non varied Ai.
*No fouls.

Anyone else but me wanting to expand on those two?

Read my last reply and give me ur opinion thx

 

[Marlon Anthony]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one - they're probably inundated with dumb notifications being in that position, and may have only seen part of the Twitter clip (in their totally shit video player, that plays at like 120p for the first few seconds) before making a knee-jerk response.

Still not great to be making responses like that without reading/watching more carefully but I don't think it's enough to condemn UFL completely because of it.

The "not knowing about manual controls" part is more concerning to me, though I haven't seen that comment as I've not been following any of the social media surrounding it. Until they show some actual gameplay I'm not interested in what they have to say.

If I was producing a football game, I'd be watching football, playing other football games, probably already be or have a history of modding previous PES/FIFA games to recognise every single pixel of a video I'm looking at.

What betting game has the official La Liga scoreboard? Other than the lighting and turf modifications, That footage still screams PES 2021 - A three year old game by this point if we want to be clever about it and consider that it's basically PES 2020: 2.0.

The fact this guy can't recognise that and the fact that these guy's marketing strategy/priority seems to be showing off underwhelming face models of 2 Premier League footballers instead of anyone kicking a damn ball in engine tells me this is just an amateurs circle jerk that'll never amount to any acclaim.

It's like expecting customers to be more excited about the colour of your plate rather than the quality of your food at a restaurant.

 

[Hatrickhero]

I could tell that was PES 21 from the awful AI - the acres of space you and your midfielders had at the start, the giant chasm between the (ridiculously rigid) lines the CF received the long ball in, and the gentle stroll from a central position 50 yards out, around the enitre defence into the crossing position barely contested.

These clips might look nice visually with the camera angles and mods but damn, that gameplay/AI is so bad and unrealistic. Each time I think about installing PES 21 and modding it I see a clip like this and realise what a waste of time it would be.

Funny he thought it was one of those betting games, but your clips do look very different to the typical PES content out there. Unless you follow the PC modding scene or watch your content its not that unreasonable to think it's not PES (though there are the cursor markers and radar giving it away) especially if you're a FIFA player who isn't familiar with the PES AI/gameplay/animations.

Im sorry i believe u buy a football game to play it as is qnd she should be done the right way, i don t have nor the time nor the connection to mod the game and change it s gameplay to fix it, it should be a good game from the start, im talking about gameplay, leave the aesthetics aside, i don t want anyone telling me :" why can t u mod the game graphics and such it s easy" im clearly talking about gameplay here...

 

[Hatrickhero]

If I was producing a football game, I'd be watching football, playing other football games, probably already be or have a history of modding previous PES/FIFA games to recognise every single pixel of a video I'm looking at.

What betting game has the official La Liga scoreboard? Other than the lighting and turf modifications, That footage still screams PES 2021 - A three year old game by this point if we want to be clever about it and consider that it's basically PES 2020: 2.0.

The fact this guy can't recognise that and the fact that these guy's marketing strategy/priority seems to be showing off underwhelming face models of 2 Premier League footballers instead of anyone kicking a damn ball in engine tells me this is just an amateurs circle jerk that'll never amount to any acclaim.

It's like expecting customers to be more excited about the colour of your plate rather than the quality of your food at a restaurant.

Very well said

 

[Hatrickhero]

And I agree with you on most.
We were always close to have a great game, but never got it. And each year we hoped next one will be the one. Never happened. So now, looking at their new direction - I doubt that they will be fixing things we would like them to fix.
So I agree with you.
Apart from the part where you said Pes17 had no fouls and penalties. Its literally the only 'recent' Pes that had fouls, cards and penalties. Just have a look at the last reply in Pes17 thread.

I played a whole ML season with villareal, i got 1 penalty in the whole ML season, so there u go....

 

[Emroth]

Read my last reply and give me ur opinion thx

When he quoted you back then - it looked like you were talking about Pes17, not 21.
Your last reply was about Pes21.

 

[Hatrickhero]

When he quoted you back then - it looked like you were talking about Pes17, not 21.
Your last reply was about Pes21.

Yeah i want him to read what i said about pes 2017

 

[gmcrfc06]

The update delay just makes you laugh.

It's taken them well over a year to make the worst football games I've ever played in eFootball, the idea that a couple of extra weeks will make it any better is hilarious.

This game is beyond salvation.

 

[etb10dmk]

If anyone still has hopes for UFL as a competitor, keep in mind that not only did the CEO and lead producer not know what manual controls meant, but he actually thought footage from modded PES2021 'wasn't real gameplay':

What that CEO guy said it's completely ridiculous, because what they showed in 5 years is just a few seconds teaser that if not for the name UFL, looks 100% like a betting commercial. Those players models and how they moved to take contact with the ball can be properly used on a 888 betting website.

Still not great to be making responses like that without reading/watching more carefully but I don't think it's enough to condemn UFL completely because of it.

Don't think anybody condemns it yet, because to do so we need content or arguments. We don't have anything from them except a few seconds teaser and a licensed West Ham history documentary trailer plus some 360º Ken hairstyles models. People are suspicious and it's normal to be like that knowing that in five years of development they didn't showed any glimpse of what this game is or does. In top of that we've got responses from the eastern european big boss itself. How they can say a game will be so fantastic (being entitled with its competitors) without showing transparency at all in five years, maintaining some sort of secrecy towards it, like this game would be some miracle or salvation. If I'll need to choose between a less transparent broken game and a suspicious shady scam to be pulled, I'll chose the first one even if that decision will make eFootball look good...

 

[Midnight_Playz2]

It is 2030. Page 13,664 of the “eFootball, please come and pay your respects” thread:

“Personally I think eFootball 2029 is not that bad. The sharp kicks turned well haven’t they. Once they implement sharp headers and sharp goalie parades it’s going to be a whole new game.”


“Amelia Bhatistuta is an effin’ liar! Xe promised us Master League in 2022 and still no sign!”

“Guys, please no personal attacks. Amelia has little influence on the game direction. Xer personal transition had nothing to do with it - mods”


“Nothing but misinformation from Konami since the UE5 migration fiasco”

“Please check out my new 1000 hours realism review of eFootball 2023, the best one to date”


“Spoony just posted sliders for GOALS, I gave it a go and must say it’s now pretty similar to latest FUT, it’s playable”

“Latest leak on UFL: the demo to release in early 2031 due to technical issues and staff departures”

“Fellas have a little faith. In IGN’s latest interview with the Lead Developer he said they strive for photo realism this time for sure he thinks, possibly once they move to Unreal Engine 6 maybe. There even may be 3D grass surely.”

 

[staffan]

It is 2030. Page 13,664 of the “eFootball, please come and pay your respects” thread:

“Personally I think eFootball 2029 is not that bad. The sharp kicks turned well haven’t they. Once they implement sharp headers and sharp goalie parades it’s going to be a whole new game.”


“Amelia Bhatistuta is an effin’ liar! Xe promised us Master League in 2022 and still no sign!”

“Guys, please no personal attacks. Amelia has little influence on the game direction. Xer personal transition had nothing to do with it - mods”


“Nothing but misinformation from Konami since the UE5 migration fiasco”

“Please check out my new 1000 hours realism review of eFootball 2023, the best one to date”


“Spoony just posted sliders for GOALS, I gave it a go and must say it’s now pretty similar to latest FUT, it’s playable”

“Latest leak on UFL: the demo to release in early 2031 due to technical issues and staff departures”

“Fellas have a little faith. In IGN’s latest interview with the Lead Developer he said they strive for photo realism this time for sure he thinks, possibly once they move to Unreal Engine 6 maybe. There even may be 3D grass surely.”

My sides are in orbit

 

[vialli82]

Don't think anybody condemns it yet

But I.
I believe the guy really want to create a football game but got no idea. He looks like he never played more than 3 PES Match and 4 FIFA.
I really thinked they were passionate, but UFL is complete business.
Goals are passionate it seems but about Esport Fifa, and the Kurt from Twitter is their David Rutter/Seabass

@Midnight_Playz2 you forgot to mention the most sold game sitution on your joke (you can say Fifa, it's a good joke post don't worry you won't be banned) but it was pretty funny

 

[nesa24]

It is 2030. Page 13,664 of the “eFootball, please come and pay your respects” thread:

is there stiil bitcoin in 2030?